The Berean Manifesto

S3EP33 - Just Hanging Out

Pastor Newms:
[0:00] Intro video.

Pastor Bill:
[0:04] Yay.

Pastor Newms:
[0:06] Intro video. How was the level of the intro video did it need to come down at all? Was it good?

Pastor Bill:
[0:14] It was good no they were just right yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

alright good good.

 

Pastor Bill:
That you could hear the you could hear that well I don't know I thought maybe the music was a little low, maybe could have turned the music up a little bit but the volume of the of the talking was.

Pastor Newms:
[0:32] Well yeah it's the same volume as normal.

 

Pastor Bill
What was the number of this episode?

 

Pastor Newms:

I don't remember I've lost track it.

Pastor Bill:
[0:58] I'll go look at the titles.

Pastor Newms:
[1:02] I turn this computer on when I texted you earlier so. Um, I ain't got nothing going nothing. I haven't created the folder for today nice why did you type that okay.

Pastor Bill:
[1:23] Mirand on Facebook beat me to it. It's in some of the season and episode number. Hey Biggs, Biggs on Twitch we're doing a thing we're we yeah we talked during the five minute countdown now so you should be able to hear us it was my chatter we're going to chat.

Pastor Newms:
[1:51] I'll give you some chatter cheddar sea.

Pastor Bill:
[1:57] Yeah HPuffPhoenix says.

Pastor Newms:
[2:02] Are we staying up super late tonight and watching things or are you going to be are you going to be watching.

Pastor Bill:
[2:10] It's Father's Day.

Pastor Newms:
[2:11] Or are you going to be watching things with your wife.

Pastor Bill:
[2:14] I'm probably going to be spending time with my wife since it’s father's day.

Pastor Newms:
[2:25] But it's the first episode of season 5 aha. Haha yeah we all came home and crashed like hardcore. There's a come with your deep theological questions Bring It On.

[2:51] Push down with the beds been calling she has already been in the bed that was calling her name she slept on the way down here mmm mmm.

Pastor Bill:
[3:03] Okay so like I was saying before we started the countdown this game terragenesis game. My temperature is still too hot I'm trying to get my temperature down to terraforming the Moon, and that's creating more water or but I still need to get my temperature down more but then I've got too much water just crazy and then,
the game got complicated it was supposed to be a I can just leave it running while I go do other stuff but then all of the little plants that I created on the planet all died off every time I walked away, so I gotta pause the game when I walk away now or the whole planet dies.

Pastor Newms:
[3:47] Hello the best 13:17 appears to be one of my cousins.

Pastor Bill:
[3:55] The best 1317 like Macallan 1317.

[4:03] McCallum it's the it's a scotch.

[4:20] I collect useless details in my brain.

Pastor Newms:
[4:22] Forty seconds by the way.

Pastor Bill:
[4:25] 40 second buffer.

 

Pastor Newms:

No, we’re not doing that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:54] Um maybe it's your cousin Matt do you have a cousin Matt?

Pastor Newms:
[5:00] Have to cousin mats oh yeah that's my cousin Matt Okay there I push the right button.

Pastor Bill:
[5:12] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 33 of The Berean Manifesto. Tonight we are hanging out, we're answering questions we are getting into deep theological discussions Maybe.

Pastor Newms:
[5:28] About book.

Pastor Bill:
[5:30] If that happens that comes up it may not, um it's Father's Day Newms is a father I'm a father we're kind of taking it easy Newms had a family reunion this week and I,
set up my lovely workspace with my new desk and my new shelves that my wife got me for my Father's Day present and I redid my rug so it's not all you know hanging loose.

Pastor Newms:
[5:53] And you hung the free hugs where everyone can actually see him that's the T-shirt he wears.

Pastor Bill:
[5:58] And I hug my.

Pastor Newms:
[5:59] When we do ministry.

Pastor Bill:
[6:00] Sure yeah this is a t-shirt we've been wearing we do ministry we're going to design a new one for the next the next Pride that we actually have, um because that's two prior as in a row that they canceled, and so yeah this is a shirt I cut up my shirt and mounted it on a canvas and hung it and then I don't know if you can see this. This is our determination letter from the IRS, that makes our church a church in the eyes of the government.

Pastor Newms:
[6:32] Yeah it was fun the family reunions was real good, it's enjoyable soft family some we like some we don't like families family who knows, it was very interesting some of the conversations I had oh excuse me, I don't know is the Dallas Pride canceled Biggs is asking.

Pastor Bill:
[6:57] Dallas pride is cancelled what they're doing instead is you're just having a concert, One concert where everyone will be social distancing and wearing masks and that's all they're doing. There's no vendors there's no you know any opportunity for any of that and then hopefully next year we'll be able to have a face to face Pride event where we can go out and spread the love of God and let people know that we love them.

Pastor Newms:
[7:38] Unless you come to Nashville in September.

Pastor Bill:
[7:43] Is Nashville having their Pride in September? Well I mean you didn't send me any information so we wouldn't have a booth but.

Pastor Newms:
[7:53] We could still go.

Pastor Bill:
[7:54] You could you can send me information and we can get a booth probably still.

Pastor Newms:
[7:59] I'm not sure how we would work a booth because we can't you have to bring everything and that be really complicated.

Pastor Bill:
[8:06] Well I'm sure you have an Academy there and we can just go get a 10 by 10 foot you know there's like a hundred bucks for one of those so.

Pastor Newms:
[8:17] H puff Phoenix will be sending you all the pride.

Pastor Bill:
[8:21] HPuffPhoenix is going to send me the.

Pastor Newms:
[8:23] Because whether you come or not I'm going so, it's really either way you really should probably send me some cards I'm gonna need some of those either way,
I'm going.

Pastor Bill:
[8:45] It wouldn't be a bad idea I mean that's one of the things that's in you know my heart and it's in the heart of this ministry to reach out and it started with um the Holy Spirit really bring to my attention to the suicide numbers for that demographic and it really just kind of blossomed from there my earlier in life I was I was I was I was homophobic for sure.

Pastor Newms:
[9:23] Uh-huh.

Pastor Bill:
[9:25] Didn't want to be in Ministry to that community that that demographic didn't have anything to do with it.

Pastor Newms:
[9:32] Several demographics actually but that one also.

Pastor Bill:
[9:36] And then as time got has gone by the Lord's worked on my heart and and you know and I've gone through this transformation in knowing you know that the Lord wants me to be doing Ministry in this area and so that's what we've done. We've reached out and we've made ourselves available and gone to Pride twice in Dallas and done Ministry because I mean we walk what we talked and we preach love and so we love.

Pastor Newms:
[10:11] Some of us better than others.

Pastor Bill:
[10:15] Does it hurt you as much as it does me that people post videos about Christians being anti LGBT or sermons where they preach just stupid stuff about being anti LGBT and in the like the number one comment is a no hate like Christian love,
does that bug you as much as it bugs me.

Pastor Newms:
[10:42] Um yes.

Pastor Bill:
[10:42] Because I'm like that's not that's not love and I and it hurts my heart that you've been hurt by Christians who claim to love it just hurts me so much.

Pastor Newms:
[10:54] And that's the big thing about it it's not necessarily just the fact of these people are so stupid it's the fact that the commenters have been so hurt we have sadly we've sadly.

Pastor Bill:
[11:07] That's what hurts me is that they have a right to say that.

Pastor Newms:
[11:16] I did not see real Christians forgive like Jesus billboard but that's a good one yeah like Heather said.

Pastor Bill:
[11:24] Phoenix see ya.

Pastor Newms:
[11:26] Like HPuffPheonix said.

Pastor Bill:
[11:29] She's had her own experiences in this area lately and so she can relate to that comment and that's what honestly irks me is that is a, completely Justified comment and I'm like I I I want to hug you and I want to let you know that, we're not all like that some of us actually love and aren't hung up on, our own deficiencies too much to see past our theology, to actually love you and to question my theology actually accurately biblical, or have I learned things out of context and need to put them back into Biblical context.

Pastor Newms:
[12:16] Yeah and that's a big one a big one is so many people and they don't look at the aspect of the Berean lifestyle you know as Paul teaches you know be like the Bereans because they actually, tested what they heard and took it back to the Bible and if it didn't line up with the Bible they say okay that's not right.

Pastor Bill:
[12:41] Let's be honest he didn't say Bible he said scriptures.

Pastor Newms:
[12:44] Well yes he said.

Pastor Bill:
[12:46] Where I want to I don't want to drop in some confusion and anyone that might be listening to this and go wait Paul said Bible also the word bible.

Pastor Newms:
[12:55] That'd be really weird.

Pastor Bill:
[12:57] It would be really weird.

Pastor Newms:
[12:58] Since it didn't exist yet yeah and it's an English word so be really really weird.

Pastor Bill:
[13:06] It would be really really weird yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[13:09] No actually we're what is the root of Bible.

Pastor Bill:
[13:13] It's a biblio of it's a Latin word.

Pastor Newms:
[13:18] So it's Latin okay.

Pastor Bill:
[13:20] It's a Latin word that did you literally just means book pretty much but in this case we would we would say the book.

[13:33] You looking it up you googling it the etymology of the word bible always agree.

Pastor Newms:
[13:35] Yeah it's actually it is from it is from Greek meaning the books.

Pastor Bill:
[13:42] Books plural gotcha.

Pastor Newms:
[13:45] It had the literal meaning of scroll so.

Pastor Bill:
[14:01] Bigle did you mean Bible b.i.b.l.e.

Pastor Newms:
[14:06] Yes that's the book for me I Stand Alone.

[14:16] First you're going to tear the pages because they're always leather and you're going to.

Pastor Bill:
[14:20] Yeah you shouldn't be standing on books that's not good for books.

Pastor Newms:
[14:23] Now there's something that I always have an issue with I love books,
anyone who knows me very well knows I love books I have boxes of books in the house right now because I still haven't built all of the bookshelves necessary to hold everything in this house so. Um so I always struggle with that when people are like,
I don’t write in my Bible and I'm I always go and not because there's anything it's not like the Bible special you shouldn't write in it that's not the reason it's just like why did you write the book you know I have workbook.

Pastor Bill:
[15:24] So are sacrificing there.

Pastor Newms:
[15:27] II have workbooks.

Pastor Bill:
[15:29] Books.

Pastor Newms:
[15:30] Yeah I have I have work I have work books that have sheets, of paper in them because certain workbooks I was like this isn't feel like a workbook so I'm not writing in it I've gotten over.

Pastor Bill:
[15:46] Did you do with the Divine Easter devotional that I made that one year did you not right in that.

[15:56] Really okay.

Pastor Newms:
[15:56] It's on a bookshelf now there are some books I have written in over the years some I don't really have a problem with and I don't really know why, but some just don't feel like they should be written in if the pages don't feel right I won't write in it.

Pastor Bill:
[16:21] Mmm I definitely write in my Bible I'll write any book I don't care but mainly my Bible I write when in when I read something and I feel like, I've received Holy Spirit and inspiration you know I'll write it in the margin, and then if I come back across that, and I'm like oh I felt like this before if I feel like well that was definitely my ego that was definitely pride those I'm gonna flush whatever I’ll mark it out.
My spirits still confirms that that's accurate then I'll leave it and that's you know that's one of the things that I do and I mean you can look at my this is a Bible I use most often you can't really you don't really see much because that doesn't happen all the time it happens you know infrequently but it does have.

Pastor Newms:
[17:18] Yeah I've got notebooks just tons of notebooks.

Pastor Bill:
[17:22] The one Bible I won't write in, is my copy of the Geneva Bible the 1599 Geneva Bible the version that the pilgrims brought with them on the Mayflower I'll highlight in this Bible, but I don't write in this Bible and I love this translation because it isn't,
influenced by the King James and it's translation this was translated before the King James was and the King James translation was written was was, what kicked off The King James translation party as it were was that King James was upset that people were using this Bible, instead of something that he had signed off on, and so that that was the final straw and why he started having his own bible translated, and so I love this translation I don't read from it all the time but I do reference it if I find a discrepancy, between the King James and my CSB and then my going back to the Greek or the Hebrew doesn't Define it well enough for me.

[18:47] I'll reference my Geneva to see, you know what am I talking about what am I looking at what was King James the King of King James was the King of England.

Pastor Newms:
[18:59] Which would the Church of England also makes him the head of the church correct.

Pastor Bill:
[19:05] Right which is a completely different issue he founded the Church of England before he, started his translation work, because he was upset at the Catholic church for overriding his, his laws and his authority and, and the church was like well we have the authority of God because we're the church and he was like but I have the authority of God because I'm the king and they were like Well church Trump's King and he was like okay, I'll just declare myself the Church of England and me the head of the church and so now I'm the church.

Pastor Newms:
[19:50] James became king of Scotland in.

Pastor Bill:
[20:00] You know what maybe was Henry that made the king of the Church of England Biggs said he thought that.

Pastor Newms:
[20:05] Yeah I think it's Henry that did the.

[20:15] James was the King of Scotland from 1567 to 1625 and the King of England England from 1603 to 1625.

Pastor Bill:
[20:26] Hey I think you're right I think it was Henry I think my brain lumped it into James but that's not right it is Henry but brains are like that memory is like that sometime.

Pastor Newms:
[20:41] The Church of England was founded in 1534 definitely before.

Pastor Bill:
[20:46] So definitely not James. It was more than Biggs says because he could not divorce his wife and a lot of historians paint it that way but that was literally only about this much of it that wasn't the whole story.

Pastor Newms:
[21:03] Henry the 8th in 1534 and of course this says because of his annulment to,
so then he. Then pulled it to the Church of England.

Pastor Bill:
[21:29] Henry took a lot of women's heads, one of his wives he beheaded her because she gave birth to a daughter instead of a son, I’m like, give her another chance bro.

Pastor Newms:
[21:50] King James started the project in 1604 and the first trip the first published was of course 1611.

Pastor Bill:
[22:00] And the Geneva Bible was published in 1599.

Pastor Newms:
[22:04] And it was just the new version would help consolidate political power is what historians believe.

Pastor Bill:
[22:12] Now granted, the Geneva Bible was not in the language that it is in right now and neither was the King James Bible but both the King James Bible and the Geneva Bible were written in old English and if you want to know what old English looks like because it's really hard to find a copy of the Bible in Old English, go look for a copy of the Canterbury Tales in Old English and that'll give you an idea of what English was like in the time of King James.

Pastor Newms:
[22:48] I've seen some you know in museums and stuff copies of it and they'll have it open and it's it's to me especially being dyslexic it's unreadable.

Pastor Bill:
[23:00] It is it is it is unreadable it really is.

[23:12] It's pretty close like the word Jesus isn't pronounced Jesus it's EOsus and it's spelled Ioesus, um in English that's English, now we call it Old English because since then we've replaced all the English with the queen's English which is what, modern King James bibles are translated into and what The Geneva Bible is translated into is the queen's English and then from there we got English which does what, British people speak right now which is a slang version of the queen's English and we have American English which is.

Pastor Newms:
[24:03] It's a language we'll leave it at that.

Pastor Bill:
[24:04] Melting Pot language it's just a bunch of languages that we pulled everything together and borrowed from to make a whole different version of English.

Pastor Newms:
[24:14] It's a something is what it is.

Pastor Bill:
[24:16] But Phoenix says Canterbury Tales gives me British literature Nightmares From culinary, I agree Canterbury Tales in the original language will get anyone nightmares when you hear it spoken especially it is, terrifying Old English is it's terrifying to here,
at least for me.

Pastor Newms:
[24:46] It doesn't it messes with your brain because it's close but not there so it feels like an alien trying to speak your language.

Pastor Bill:
[24:57] Well it almost feels like Roman and German and English just like imploaded into each other.

Pastor Newms:
[25:07] I mean that's basically what happened.

Pastor Bill:
[25:12] That's what happened but it actually sounds like it, when you're when you're speaking American English in your borrowing words from you know Latin and  Spanish and German you don't actively understand that but when you hear Old English, and you know and you know you know enough of these Roman and Germanic and languages and you can actually feel you know. It's this it's crazy it's this mishmash of insanity.

Pastor Newms:
[25:44] It's a little weird yeah I will.

Pastor Bill:
[25:48] All right so we may be, not having an official night but we're still going to know do Get To Know The Pastor's so come back we'll get everybody involved not just you and me we get everybody in the check ball two.

Pastor Newms:
[26:06] I can't go any farther from when I baby sat Liby the cages is still in my office so this is as far as I can escape.

Pastor Bill:
[26:17] You did.

Pastor Newms:
[26:18] I can only Escape I didn't think it through and then when I got there I went.

Pastor Bill:
[26:27] Okay you ready what's the worst job you've ever had.

Pastor Newms:
[26:36] Can I answer for you.

Pastor Bill:
[26:43] Um I've got to but yeah go ahead.

Pastor Newms:
[26:45] Walmart specifically in that little Podunk town that was terrible, where the store manager was completely insane and broke all the rules. Yeah thank you HPuffPhoenix that's a good point Libby is a dog I should clarify that.

Pastor Bill:
[27:14] We have a cage when we were babysitting.

Pastor Newms:
[27:18] Thank you H Puff Phoenix.

Pastor Bill:
[27:22] I didn't even think about it that yeah think about it.

Pastor Newms:
[27:28] I don't have any people that would be in cages running around I don't want to try to explain since we have young ones here what any of those terms might be I would love I would love for you to have to explain that later though if I used any other terms.

Pastor Bill:
[27:49] That would be interesting, okay so Biggs asks paid or unpaid job either just any job responsibilities that you have so let me you're right but let me before I say anything further about that, my experience with this employer WalMart was my personal and shouldn't be taken as any reflection of judgment or claims, against the largest employer in the world who can sue my butt off for ages.

Pastor Newms:
[28:31] No and because.

Pastor Bill:
[28:32] It should have no reflection on the corporation.

Pastor Newms:
[28:34] And what's crazy about that I will say is he still talking but we can't hear him sorry we'll give him a second to come back are you back now, you did you left right about here.

Pastor Bill:
[28:52] Let me make sure I'm not on the Wi-Fi, I'm not.

Pastor Newms:
[29:00] So for me Walmart wasn't my worst job I loved it was great, and so when you tried to get a job there you were like oh this is going to be good and I'm like that's why I said for a bad store manager because I worked for a store managers that was awesome.

Pastor Bill:
[29:22] By the time I was coming to the end of my term at Walmart it was so bad,
that I literally would walk in the front door and become so nauseated the first thing I would do before I clocked in was go throw up. And then I would go clock in, it was that it was really, really bad, and it wasn't so much the customers the customers,
I mean they were just normal customers they have needs yeah they're not the brightest sometimes because they'd be like hey help me find, but yeah like you said having a store manager that did everything wrong I mean he would literally come around the store with his little cart pushing his car man and give us a notes on things that needed to be done.

[30:32] And you do the things on your notes and then he follow up after lunch and spend 10 minutes swearing at you. Because you did the thing that he told you to do on your note and now he's saying that's wrong you should never do that, we don't do that here and I'm like. I literally just did what's in your the note that you gave me this morning I can literally word for word what you wrote in your notes, so that was my Walmart experience and then number two for me was once again not reflective on the whole Corporation but McDonald's.

[31:18] I worked at McDonald's for 3 days I worked flipping burgers for three days,
and by that I mean.

[31:30] I'm standing there and they want me to flip burgers that are on a surface that I could Bend like this to get to, and I'm bending down this freezer pull out meat to put on this thing and then push this button and it goes down which is supposed to fully cook them, or at least cook them most of the way and then you're supposed to transfer the heating trays but ours didn't quite work right, so after I push the button and it went down once then I had to flip them literally flip them and press the button again,
cook them again and then put them in the trays and ever so often I would have to do it a third time, because you literally they were literally still pink, um like uh not even fully thawed yet pink and hard still after two times of using the, heated press and on the third day when my shift manager came over and wanted to have the conversation about, you know you're a great employee and in 6 months I want to get you into the management training program and you could make up to nine dollars an hour.

[32:49] That was the last straw that was my okay my back hurts constantly I’m burned all over my arms from this this thing, you're talking about a future where I can look forward to maxing out at nine dollars an hour I'm done.

Pastor Newms:
[33:06] So I've been sitting here trying to think. I've had jobs that had bad situations but no bad jobs overall jobs that turned into bad, but I'd probably have to say it was working for the prison software that was probably the worst just.

Pastor Bill:
[33:46] It wasn't calling Baptist Churches to try to get them to send their kids to an Acquire The Fire.

Pastor Newms:
[33:54] No I don't think it was because the job wasn't bad the people were just really really rude to someone who believed the same thing they did mostly, so now I don't think that was the job but the, just the actual but that job was bad because of the it started off being a little bit of micromanagement and I was like okay I'm new cool and then after, what was it for years it never changed and so at a certain point it was like okay I'm done, and so I moved to Tennessee um so yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[34:42] Zadie says but that wasn't a job is she talking about you or she's talking about what I said about your ministry assignment.

Pastor Newms:
[34:49] What you said because it was yeah she's saying what you said because it was a.

Pastor Bill:
[34:56] No it was definitely a job.

[35:05] All right so Biggs on Twitch says washing big electric cabinets with powerwash spraying acid, that sounds terrifying.

Pastor Newms:
[35:20] How old were you at that point Biggs? Like would that even be legal at this point the kind of acid wash they used back then because I know it was like the 1500 s.

Pastor Bill:
[35:34] The fifteen hundreds, Biggs was 18.

Pastor Newms:
[35:38] Yeah 18 so that was 1392 so I mean it yeah I can see that.

Pastor Bill:
[35:45] Biggs is not older than the United States of America come on man.

Pastor Newms:
[35:54] No but some of his family members might be.

Pastor Bill:
[35:58] Oh You would know you were just spending time with them.

Pastor Newms:
[36:03] And by the way just in case you're wondering the Matt that is joining us the best, he's in the good part and actually only lives about you know a little ways away from here so it's good cuz, we're going to start a oh he's being mean now.

Pastor Bill:
[36:32] He is being mean he calling you old.

Pastor Newms:
[36:34] Cuz that means that is true I was born when he was 20 supposedly but I don't know if vampires when they have children they age in the same way.

Pastor Bill:
[36:43] Twenty hundred Maybe.

Pastor Newms:
[36:44] Maybe. So and then HPuffPhoenix said the same thing you said but for a different reason she said McDonald's because of the customers because she wrote wrote, sheep was. Can I try that one again we'll just cut that out and post that we don't do, it'll do any post but post know we're live we're not playing this game.

Pastor Bill:
[37:30] This is a live man.

Pastor Newms:
[37:31] Oh yeah I forgot, she worked the drive-thru most of the time so she mm yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[37:46] Now on the opposite side what about good jobs like what's the best job. Is it really.

Pastor Newms:
[38:04] For me it is because and here's the reason why all of my jobs have ended really really weirdly, except for Walmart actually Walmart ended because I transitioned out to focus on school, but all of them, ended because I chose to because of the situations except for one and, and that one, is just real, bad situation from beginning to end but I enjoyed the work, so I that one I don't even think I could begin to answer I love the company I am currently working for because what they do is awesome, Heather sorry HPuffPhoenix said in her message where she currently works I can't it's names are hard for me.

Pastor Bill:
[39:09] Yeah so when I hear when I hear HPuff or read heads pathetic say that and hear you say that I'm like looking for a raise huh.

Pastor Newms:
[39:19] No my eval already.

Pastor Bill:
[39:20] Get now is the best job I've ever had.

Pastor Newms:
[39:23] No my evals already come through and sadly it was really it'll cause, the healthcare has gone through a rough time with covid let's just um when your main when your main basis is elective care surgeries and then, elective care surgeries I'll get cancelled for almost a year.

Pastor Bill:
[39:47] Yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[39:48] But no the reason I like to company I currently work for is because they offer a payment program, and our medical system is so messed up we all need payment programs to actually pay for any of our services because none of us can ever afford actual Healthcare.

Pastor Bill:
[40:08] Yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[40:09] And it's at zero percent interest the patient doesn't get charged anything extra,
the hospital doesn't get charged anything extra and it doesn't go on their anyone's credit score and I haven't been someone who went through bankruptcy because of medical bills, because of that but in Heather loves it because I saw Phoenix loves it because she, she can see Ellen insurance companies all day she's great at her job and it's really funny because she's really sweet, to the to the patients they'll if they get through to her that she should go well I'll head definitely take care of you everything's going to be fine let me put you on a brief hold give me just one moment and then like with like the people at the clinics it's like oh yes we'll definitely let me put you on a brief let me step by step by step but we just need to answer a couple but about that but you know super sweet and then she gets on with these insurance companies that aren't paying for medicine that these people need because they're going through kidney failure you know and it's like, yes but the temperature butter this is dated and then all of a sudden it's like well.

[41:31] What you don't understand is and like you don't I don't know what she says ninety-nine percent of the time, because it's that attitude it's real sweet it's real calm it's really everything's fine everything's great and then you just hear from the other just the uptick and you're like insurance company said, and Heather Phoenix is protecting her patients so.

Pastor Bill:
[42:00] That's funny all right so for me I got to again, um and I'm going to tell you what the name you know the companies are but I'm in a preface this with, it wasn't about the companies for me and it wasn't about what the companies did for me, it was being in positions that challenged me and that kept my focus varied, and gave me the ability to multitask, you know I've got this project and I've got this project and I'm trying to balance the time and make sure it's all working and I've got metrics that I can plug things into and make sure it all balances and so for me, adding all of that to do where I'm not bored and I've got multi things going on so.

[43:03] Um being the marketing director there I had to do I had to be cash here add to B marketing director I had to be team lead shift lead all that at the same time, so basically doing all of the running of the restaurant not actually being responsible for running the restaurant that was that was the actual, franchisees job she did a great job her and her husband they ran it great but I was there to do anything that they needed to do while they weren't there I could step in, and do that and so that was really fulfilling for me I really like that despite, how that ended where I was like you know I either need more money and less hours or I'm gonna have to start looking for a different job.

[43:58] And that really poisoned the relationship I had with the franchise owner, she didn't take that in the spirit that I was intended she took that as an insult or as a leveraging technique which it really wasn't I was just being honest you know this is what's going on, and I'm going to have to look for a new job and if I find something I'll give you two weeks-notice once I find something and so everything was just weren't real downhill from there, so despite that ending you know and the other job,
you know for all the same reasons that I listed was when I went back to work for Teen Mania after I left Gateway, or with separate from Gateway or however you want to say that I went back to work for Teen Mania and while that was a brief.

[44:57] Time because that ship was already sinking, um it really you know did all those things multiple fires and had to juggle and you know all that stuff so, that that was that was what it was this for me.

[45:28] Where do we go from here.

Pastor Newms:
[45:31] Well so. How was your week we haven't even done this part yet.

Pastor Bill:
[45:44] Oh man well I got my desks in. And then realize well I had enough space for the desks I didn't make enough space for me in my chair, so then I had to get a little creative and the way that I put in the desks.

Pastor Newms:
[46:07] I thought we I thought you measured that first.

Pastor Bill:
[46:10] I didn’t measure me I measured the space and I was like well this gives me space to walk in and out. But I didn't consider the size of my chair and the size of me sitting in the chair and doing this and all of that so. Had to be arranged a little bit but I got to desks so I have a little shit going on and those are working great, and then I got these lovely shelves this week this is my Father's Day present from my wife I went on Amazon and I was like, you know sent her a list I said I like this and I like this and she was like those are only shelves and I was like yeah but they're two different kind of shelves you get to pick which one, so I opened that yesterday and put those up so I could you know put all my stuff on it and you can't see oh so fine.

[47:14] Bottom shelf is knickknacks and then the next shelf is a cup few knickknacks and the, religious books that I reference from time to time one of them is the complete collections of Smith Wigglesworth, which I really like The Geneva Bible and the other one I don't really agree with everything that she teaches but it's the complete collections, Maria Woodworth Ettor, I like to reference it sometimes just to get an opposing Viewpoint you know it's not that she's unbiblical in her beliefs it's just that theological we don't always agree, and that's okay that's not a problem for me you know all that does is challenge me too.

[48:09] To find you know what I actually believe and why I believe it which is good and then my third shelf, I've got I love this this is a 50th Anniversary Edition TARDIS Doctor Who Tardis that my wife got me used to be a bauble that made noise but um,
Finnick made sure that it would never do that anymore and then I've got a couple of Doctor Who books from the time the time lord Victorious series that I still need to read but reading has become an issue for me lately and then I've got A Princess of Mars which is the beginning of Edgar Rice Burroughs Barsoom series,
and then I've got At The Earths Core which is the beginning of Edgar Rice Burroughs.

[49:03] Pelucidar series and then I've got the ever life shattering Lungbarrow,
which is the Doctor Who book that came out in the 80s that redefined the canon of Doctor Who and forever shaped, Doctor Who lore and everything has built upon that since then even the new twists that they've released in Doctor Who in these recent seasons have been inspired by this novel, last I checked there were only a few copies of that left and the cheapest you could get one for was a hundred and seven dollars.

Pastor Newms:
[50:10] Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo ba he searches.

Pastor Bill:
[50:13] Cheapest you can get it in paperback right now is 200 dollars.

Pastor Newms:
[50:18] Nice.

Pastor Bill:
[50:21] So that that up there on top of my shelf and when I asked for it was one of those shoot for the moon you know quests and then my mom found one for like 20 bucks,
and got it for me and I was like I didn't expect that to ever okay awesome. That will shoot for the my prayer request I had no idea.

Pastor Newms:
[50:55] I think you even cried a little.

[51:02] I mean not to front you but I'm pretty sure you did so.

Pastor Bill:
[51:11] Definitely been a grams my mama she she's something else so. I'll show you the book as it looks like this. All right so that's what happened this week with me a lot of,
labor and then I had to go through my filing cabinet and get rid of everything that I had you know. I have hoarder tendencies, so I went through my filing cabinet and threw away a 13 gallon trash bag worth of stuff from my filing cabinet and it's just a three drawer cabinet it's literally sitting underneath this desk right here and is only like 14 inches wide but it was stuffed to the brim with things and, is not important.

Pastor Newms:
[52:23] You have to you have to purge every now and then it is very important I learned that at a certain point in life and I don't like it, at all not even a little and I'm really really really really really really bad at it but my loving wife Zadie is much, better at it than I am and.

Pastor Bill:
[53:05] And what would they audit, I don't I don't have enough money to spend enough money to make an audit last more than a few minutes I don't even know what they would be auditing I'd be like, here you go here's all my bank statements for the year yes it's only 24 pages that is all the bank statements for the whole year, here you go.

Pastor Newms:
[53:32] It is true.

Pastor Bill:
[53:38] You just throw it all away well everything's digital now I mean you throw away receipts are all digital. Stores are like would you like a receipt and I'm like yeah I'm pretty sure my bank statements just going to tell me what you charged me so.
Unless I'm buying it from some place I said I think I might need to return this at some point. Then I don't need your piece of tree you can just say that.

Pastor Newms:
[54:11] I like the email option and then it goes to my email and then I don't look at it ever and forget to clean that email out.

Pastor Bill:
[54:21] It bugs me when I go to Sam's and all I buy is like what's the word,
consumables all I buy is consumables so it's not something I'm going to bring back and you get to the cash register and they're like would you like a printed receipt,
or would you like it printed and emailed so either way I'm gonna have to take a receipt.

Pastor Newms:
[54:46] Well would you like me to tell you why.

Pastor Bill:
[54:50] I would like to explain yeah so many of these explain to me why they scan the receipt and a couple of your items at the door.

Pastor Newms:
[54:57] Oh no that that that's just for are you walking out with something,
verification that's what I'm talking about I'm talking about the actual reason for certain receipting and how the receipting is done so the government actually dictates how receipts have to look and in what ways you can share them and depending on what you can buy, depends on how the receipt has to look so like places that sell, gift cards and things like that their receipts have to have specific language on them depending on the state and federal government and so because of that it's, certain states require
a printed receipt so some companies just print the receipt every time because it's cheaper than trying to figure out are you a consumer from that state it's not a requirement based on where you're at it's a requirement based on where you are a current resident and so because of that it's very interesting.

Pastor Bill:
[56:10] Biggs is like or now.

Pastor Newms:
[56:13] You can thank two states for that but I'm not going to name them because they're mean.

[56:22] And you can thank money launderers.

Pastor Bill:
[56:26] Juneteenth is a Federal holiday now.

Pastor Newms:
[56:30] Oh really.

Pastor Bill:
[56:32] Yeah it's Friday they voted on Thursday they officially voted to make Juneteenth a Federal holiday and then this year it was observed on Friday, you know celebrated Saturday, and so all federal buildings were closed on Friday all businesses that observe federal holidays were supposed to be closed on Friday, um and I thought you know I never want to be the white savior guy that's not who I am I'm an ally I'm a friend I will back you up you call the play, and I'll be there you know you say black lives matter and we need representation I'm the guy that goes you tell me what my responsibility is to back you up there I'm not the guy going around going, you know you're not representing them correctly that's not me I'm the Ally I meant you know you tell me what I'm supposed to be doing to back you up I'm there and I thought this was a good thing I thought you know finally the federal government is represent you know is Right is recognizing Juneteenth and if you don't know what Juneteenth is,
it is the day that.

[57:52] The slave owners in Texas officially received word, two years after the freeing of the slaves, um that, slavery was now illegal in the United States of America and had to let their slaves free and I said had to because that's actually how it went down,
they were not willingly setting them free in Texas there were other states that, willingly Texas that was not a thing Texas they had to be forced so Juneteenth is this,
this Landmark beginning of this march to equality some people say it's you know two years earlier when it started, saying you need to set all your slaves free is it isn't really the actual start it's the point, all of that is actually enforced is the word starts so to me Juneteenth is the beginning of that march to equality, but I've seen a lot of videos on Tic-Tok where like I said I'm an ally you tell me where to go and I've seen a lot of videos where a lot of people in the. What am I supposed to say now is it black or African-American or.

Pastor Newms:
[59:17] Just say community in that community.

Pastor Bill:
[59:20] Okay that Community are.

Pastor Newms:
[59:24] I'm not I'm not sure until I don't want to say it wrong let me let me be clear on why it's really depends on preference of the person you're talking.

Pastor Bill:
[59:30] Due respect, to who it's do we respectful they feel like it's pandering I've seen a lot of videos where they feel like this is just pandering and I get that I see their point of view, and if that's what we you know if that's the overwhelming consensus like I said I'm an ally I'll back you up, but I saw it as a recognition of the beginning of the March toward equality and so I was happy for it, so if somebody wants to email me if you're hearing that saying this somebody wants to email me and tell me how to support it and how to follow through or if I should just ignore it because like with the black history month thing for years I felt like that was pandering, I felt like.

Pastor Newms:
[1:00:22] Well there are some people go.

Pastor Bill:
[1:00:26] I felt like we need holidays all year long that celebrate Breck black history not cram everything into one month and go well this is everything that but you know it needs to be spread out over all year long all year long, we need to give recognition to the Pioneers that, made this country what it is that aren't white we should be doing that all year long it shouldn't be one month and then you know I shared a video on Tic-Tok of an interview that Morgan Freeman where he said the exact same thing and I was like that's how I felt about this for years.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:07] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:09] And I'm an ally I'm not the white savior I'm not the.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:12] We're not trying to do that you know.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:13] I'm not going out there and trying to fix the world's ills for everybody else,
and so when he said that I was like hey I can share that because I agree with that and now you know someone in this community is actually saying it so it's, the 19th is Biggs asks because the 18th the date for Juneteenth the 19th is but when federal holidays fall on a Saturday they are observed on a Friday when they fall on a Sunday they are observed on a Monday.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:48] When I first heard about Juneteenth it made me sick, the fact that we did you know that and I say we I don't mean we as white people I don't mean we as you know Texas that I'm no longer.

Pastor Bill:
[1:02:08] Proud Texan I was ashamed.

Pastor Newms:
[1:02:11] I say we as Americans we as humans continued to do that always just makes me sick.

Pastor Bill:
[1:02:21] It makes me sick that we had slaves as Americans at all like the whole Spirit of founding America was freedom and then we literally did the opposite we won't we should have done, when the when the Spanish ship showed up full of slaves, we should have bought them and made them Freemen all in one motion,we should have bought them and sent the Spaniards away and said go get us you know, go buy more people that have already been put into slavery bring them back we'll buy them from you and will make them citizens that's what we should have done.

Pastor Newms:
[1:03:09] I will actually take it a step further because you're a nicer person than I am I wouldn't do it that way I would buy them all get them off the boat and then magically that boat would disappear.

Pastor Bill:
[1:03:21] But that doesn't help with everyone in Spain that's already in slavery.

Pastor Newms:
[1:03:27] I know the prop yeah and yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of gray area in in that whole situation.

Pastor Bill:
[1:03:38] The Spaniards were going to Africa, the African tribes were stealing people from other tribes and then selling them to the Spaniards, then the Spaniards were going back to Spain and putting them into the slave trade and then the people that were Commerce minded, we're buying up a bunch of slaves and then bringing them over to the colonies you know and selling them to the Americans.

Pastor Newms:
[1:04:10] It's just it's messed up how the whole situation human beings are terrible we live in a fallen world and human beings do terrible things other human beings every day and it's absolutely disgusting.

Pastor Bill:
[1:04:25] It is.

Pastor Newms:
[1:04:29] And I say that not as someone who's like (disingenuous) it's disgusting I can't believe anyone would ever do that because there was a time in my life where I did some pretty terrible things and so it's one of those things where it's like I feel,
terrible for the terrible things I've done I was a bully at one point I was bullied I was you know I've been through lots of the different parts of the cycle, all terrible because we are terrible to each other for some, crazy reason that I've never fully understood.

Pastor Bill:
[1:05:05] And every year when we celebrate July 4th, and inevitably there's someone from that community that has issue with celebrating Freedom when as that freedom happened there were slaves. In this country that weren't set free at the same time I feel like that's valid and also not valid. Like yeah not everybody was free that's a problem and it was six, and it shouldn't have been taken time to fix it, it should have been fixed right away but I want us all out to celebrate that now we're free. Now but that's my personal feeling.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:10] Well I mean we could definitely get into the wage slavery conversation but we will today because we're already.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:19] Okay but that's not that's not.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:20] I said we're not.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:24] Whole class of people and injuring a whole other class of people a race of people rather.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:32] Race I will agree with classes exactly what's going on.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:36] Because exactly that's not a whole race of people and injuring a whole another race of people there are still problems.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:41] Yes it is classism yes there are still problems.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:46] I'm not going to argue against that there are still problems.

[1:06:58] I'm an ally not a savior so alright so we're out of time for this episode for this night, so unless you have anything else you want to add or in clay in unless anyone else has anything they want to contribute on chat we'll go ahead and wrap this up,
I cut my hand at some point this week just ever so slightly and I keep doing things that just like barely touch it and it makes it hurt. Yeah I don't know how I cut it. All right so now we're going to do the 30 second buffer because some of our streaming services require it before we hit the button otherwise it'll cut off what we're saying now so,
I'll sing a little song, 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer has it been 30 seconds yet of course not that's not how time works 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer, that's enough singing now we love you guys have a great week you say your thing now Newms.

Pastor Newms:
[1:08:14] You guys be safe please love you guys.

Pastor Bill:
[1:08:17] And until next time.

S3EP32 - The Lord's Name in Vain

Pastor Bill:

[0:07] Hello and welcome to, season 3 episode 32 of the Berean Manifesto, this is the pre-show show. If you're listening to the podcast we realized that, five minutes of music at the beginning of the podcast, the greatest thing to do this is the five minutes at the beginning of the show where we're allowing people to show up, live before we get started so people can start filtering in on the live show so we decided we would do some audio, overtop of the music or underneath the music however that is we need to adjust the levels when we go back and listen to this and see if the audio picked up well or not, so the pre-show show did you see...

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01] I think the pre-show shows should be the question.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04] No

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06] The pre-show should be the question.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08] That takes away from the show show the warm-up of the show show.

 

[1:16] Did you see that prime minister Netanyahu is no longer the prime minister of Israel.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:27] And we have known each other for how many years?

 

Pastor Bill: 21 years

 

Pastor Newms: Do I watch the news? do I try to stay away from it because it is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:38] No, yes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:40] And only look up things that other people have talked about because it might interest me once I've heard it's about it would you like to rephrase your question.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:49] No yeah so Netanyahu has been the prime minister of Israel for like, I don't know as long as I can remember I don't even remember what the name of the last one was. So Biggs on Twitch says there's no video well,

they're technically is the countdown video or should be the countdown video, and we're doing audio over top of it I can pull up restream live and see, Biggs says no there's no video restream just shows a well restream shows that it's pushed in a video.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:41] Why isn't Twitch picking up the video.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:59] YouTube is showing there's a video yeah YouTube is showing there's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:05] Twitch showing a video.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:09] Roxanne's on YouTube says she sees video Biggs you might need to refresh it started.

 

[3:21] So it seems to be working hard in our technical difficulties but yeah so the pre-show show and I guess I should have left that countdown timer out well no it's not live.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:33] We're at 1 minute 37.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:35] Yeah so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:36] Before you can see our pretty faces.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:38] Yeah in a minute 37 less than that now will.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:42] I noticed.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:43] Our cameras I am wearing my Kang shirt my Star Trek Fleet Command Kang shirt, um it this is the Kang symbol that you know the Trident symbol thing it says Star Trek Fleet Command Kang and then underneath it in Klingon it says Shield or share.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:06] And you're no longer a member of Kang but that's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:08] No I'm no longer a member of Kang.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:10] And they've definitely gone a Direction.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:13] They definitely went a Direction in the game. The Star Trek game that we play so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:21] We got 45 seconds.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:23] 45 seconds no, we're not doing that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:27] This is what happens normally. Normally we're sitting here going to and I'm sure.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:33] Now we're just sitting here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:34] Normally I'm shoving food during down my face but I ate earlier because we were watching TV.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:40] I haven't had dinner yet my wife planned out this marinade thing and I put in some big potatoes earlier so I'm looking forward to eating at after the show tonight, okay that'll be exciting and fun so yeah I'll like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:04] Maybe four.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:06] Nah I like it, it's this Mesquite marinade.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:10] And then now we have four seconds.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:13] Hello and welcome officially to season 3 episode 32 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian, I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always by the ever awesome Pastor Newms who may not,

be with us next week he's got a family reunions type thing going on he's not sure if he'll have connection where he's going to be so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:41] Interesting we're going to see.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:43] If we have bad connection then we just won't have the show because I'm not just going to sit here and talk to myself for an hour, that is not how this would go so catching up on the chatter Roxanne is on YouTube we had some technical difficulties but we got that works out, and then Roxanne now says, I see weird people now that we've turned on the cameras she sees weird people and she's not wrong she's talking about, myself her husband and you we also have Zaidi on Twitch joining us we got Biggs and Roxanne. If you're listening to this on the podcast then we want to invite you to come join us on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, on YouTube, Facebook, or Twitch when we record this live and you can join the conversation in the chat. So how was your week this week Pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:49] It was good lots of work my mom needs prayer, she's had a little bit of a medical thing. It's not a big deal it's just painful so that's been interesting. So I did an insane thing, I did something I never thought I would do this week,

so my best friend who is kind of a jerk he.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:20] You mean Matt right?

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:25] No I'm not sorry for you but I'm talking about you so he made me start playing this Star Trek game and the Star Trek.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:39] That wasn't this week, that was a while back.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:41] I'm aware, the Star Trek game it's a game you know I like games so it works, the problem is not the game the problem is the storylines surrounding the game so.

 

[8:04] I can't remember if it was him or someone else sent me a Tick-Tock of this particular Star Trek moment from the show Discovery and I've never seen it. No real desire to. Biggs when I was little really tried his hardest to get me into Star Trek things and I just never been a big fan. Well myself and Billiam decided to start watching Discovery together and I hate to say - thoroughly enjoying it and we have been binge watched over the last like three days like 14 episodes of season one we only have one more episode of season 1 and then we're going to be moving into season 2 and so good it's kind of shocking, that I have been sitting and watching a Star Trek show because I've never really enjoyed it and this one is really really well written.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:20] And like we talked about it this show has a different formulaic flow than the way that Star Trek series have been written the past where in the past it was very episodic, present a problem solve a problem move to a new planet present a problem-solve a planet, er, problem move to a new planet you know and then, and so with Discovery it's not like that it's this overarching you know, big cinemas cinematic movie type feel where it's not present a problem solve a problem move on presenter problem solved problem with one so it's, it's good what are you making those choices for is it because Biggs on Twitch said he was on the wrong Channel.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:10] No it's and I agree with him it was on a different Channel it wasn't in on cable, and so it was harder to watch you had to actually subscribe to the CBS thing to watch it back in the day but it is on Hulu live I think.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:31] Just season 1 yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:33] And so I know that face was for a different reason and I don't want to talk about it we'll just say Anthony found me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:43] Oh okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:45] For the first time ever I didn't know that I was in Anthony's range but okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:50] Am I am I shielded I don't even know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:53] It wasn't the station it was.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:55] Okay he found your ship.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:58] Yeah they were floating so it's fair but yeah dadgummit that's the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:07] The one where they get pushed back in time?

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:12] We're not going to give any spoilers on a broadcast that goes out to the world.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:18] I mean can we just say yes or no.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:24] No because especially since I haven't gotten to the point where we've moved time.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:30] I mean the kind of move forward in time there a little bit, but nine months.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:36] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:40] They did they were like we're back but we overshot.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:41] Yep we can't we don't we don't want to see now you just give a spoiler.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:46] Yeah that's spoiler.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:48] Yeah that's why that's why we don't talk about it it's good.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:50] Okay okay fine you got me has a spoiler.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:56] It's good we can say that it is definitely not a normal Star Trek though, there is there is language there's some scenes there's there's it's there's a lot it's a lot more mainstream, I'll talk to you about it later Biggs but there's some Main.

 

[12:24] It's definitely more mainstream more today's Star Trek but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:34] Yeah so in my week you know we talked about the Star Trek game they dropped a new arc part two of the Next Generation Arc which has been fun.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:48] No it hasn't I'm still angry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:50] No Worf character yet, unfortunately. They released Picard and Wesley but no Worf however there is hope, we probably will be getting Worf and Riker in part 3 next month so in a little over a little over half a month away.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:13] And if not it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:17] If not they made a really interesting writing choice to phrase it the way they phrased it if we're not getting those two characters so yeah.

 

[13:33] I realized I need a new desk in my office this one I've been you know I've been using this desk for six years, in this bedroom I got this desk 6 years ago and I used it, to work on Teen Mania stuff when they went remote you know and they were they were, trying to save money and it's wholly everybody that was left work from home and, that's when I got this and the first podcast we released I recorded sitting at this desk, that was four years ago and I've got artwork etched into the top of the desk all over and it's it it's not stable it's about to fall apart, I basically have it sandwiched between a filing cabinet and a wall at this point to keep it standing and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:29] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:31] So we've got a new desk for my office space actually two to make a L shape so I have enough space to, you know desk space but that's fun that's exciting that's happening this week this upcoming week that should come in on Wednesday so I'm happy about that, that should be awesome and then this thing got a little messed up when I redid the flooring, a couple weeks ago so I'm going to pull that down and reattach it to where it where it won't be all like this, I don't know if you can see that so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:10] Thinkin it's just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:14] So there's that so now it's time for the segment that Newms loves to hate to love, and it is Get To Know The Pastors.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:25] And if the question is similar again I'm going to have Gerg come burn the deck.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:33] Good thing I have another deck, it's different questions, but I have another deck. All right here we go, the question is.

 

[15:45] Which living person do you most admire.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:51] Okay see I'm serious shuffle the deck right now in front of us take the bottom for cards and shuffle the deck, because whatever Voodoo you did the last time was not shuffling. Now cut it in half and flip it.

 

[16:44] One more time.

 

[16:52] I meant shuffle it again, but that works all right there's the four.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:54] There's the four on the bottom.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:58] On the bottom pick a new card for the week.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:01] Which person do you most admire living person alright you ready new card.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:05] Sounds great new card.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:09] What's your guilty pleasure.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:10] My guilty pleasure that sounds great my guilty pleasure is is something we've talked about in the past I love to read, I read all kinds of different types of novels all different types of all different all different things love to read, but my guilty pleasure, is YA novels specifically vampire aesthetic why novels I have almost one of, are YA because it is what it is now I'm going to go ahead and answer for Billiam. Billiams guilty pleasure is Dr Pepper.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:16] I was just getting ready to hold it up to the camera and be like dr. pepper.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:18] I know, I know we actually had this discussion earlier this week that you're guilty pleasure was. Sorry to ruin your question but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:30] Ruined that question now I've been to the Dr. Pepper museum I've I love it I love Dr Pepper so much it's so good it is definitely my guilty pleasure my drink of choice it's fantastic, no that's not why I have no teeth in fact I don't have any teeth because I was drinking, lots and lots and lots of energy drinks when I was driving for Uber and Lyft and literally rotted my teeth out of my mouth, who knew three energy drinks a day 3-16 ounce energy drinks a day to keep from dying while driving was going to rot holes in all of my teeth? Not me, I didn't know it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:11] Possibly where it says do not consume more than two per day on it but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:18] I just assumed that I was like a weight thing like, like the bottles of Ibuprofen and say don't take more than six in it whatever okay I'm up I'm a 350-pound man I need more than the normal dose or it's just not even going to affect me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:34] Yeah but actually, yes but actually the reason for the Ibuprofen is it can cause issues in your digestive system and with your liver if you have more than 6, not it's actually not a dosage weight thing it's actually has a medical reason.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:53] Biggs asks if I've ever had Dr Pepper hot well let me tell you, I like to drink my dr. pepper at room temperature whenever someone brings me one cold I thank them for loving me and showing that they love me and I let it sit there, and warm up to room temperature but hot? No. Now one of my guilty pleasure movies Blast From The Past, a drink it they look like they poured into a pot on a oven and heat it up and pour it into coffee cups and drink it like it's hot chocolate and then I just wigs me out I can't even imagine, drinking it that way.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:31] That is that is special.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:39] Do you have a guilty pleasure movie? Your go to that you know you're like when you see it when you're flipping through something and you see it and you're like oh I gotta turn this on it was a great movie.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:49] Well one there is no flipping through anything anymore because I don't have any form of television.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:54] Scrolling through.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:56] Well I would I would opt to say it's it's the the poster behind me the only movie poster that I have in my office but,

 

Pastor Bill: Boondock Saints?

 

Pastor Newms: I there's a couple go to I can sit here and watch this right now movie but, none of them I feel guilty about, so oh yes yes there is there is a movie that is a guilty pleasure, and I'm not going to say what it is I'm just going to say that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:01] I don't know what your referencing, sorry also Chasing Amy whenever Chasing Amy is on, I gotta watch Chasing Amy. Yeah almost anything in the View Askew Universe catches my attention. Mean Girls?

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:21] Fronted me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:22] Yes you did, that's funny.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:25] So I have a thing where as everyone who knows me knows I'm a little weird when it comes to things. Things have to be done a certain way, things have to be done a certain order, and we missed last year and I actually got in trouble from my 11 year old because she was like it's October 3rd and I know it's October 3rd and we didn't watch the movie you're like oh November, fourth we watch V is for Vendetta St Patrick's Day you watch, Boondock Saints I have a like those.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:16] Calendar of films.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:17] Yeah there are certain times of the year that things have to be watch a fifth of November sorry my bad that my yeah, she's yelling at me over twitch that it's V that's one of her favorite movies.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:37] The event where we got the name Guy and why we call each other Guys what's up Guys.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:44] Yep and yeah so it's it's definitely, I like movies.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:58] Fun all right so I think we're sufficiently warmed up

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:05] I think so we're about five minutes past our normal warm up time.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:09] That's fine, so I saw Tik-Tok, and this is we're on we're on track and so I take that and it was it was a joke and it was this guy and he was he was calling himself the Bible lawyer or something on those lines, and this guy was like I messed up I need representation I took the lord's name in vain, and the Bible lawyer was like what what did you say what did you say and he said GD you know the curse, the swearword GD, and the Bible lawyer goes wait,

you didn't take the lord's name in vain I think it goes what what do you mean and they got and the Bible lawyer goes well God is his title not his name,

see didn't take the lord's name in vain, you took His title in vain but not the lord's name in vain. Why do you think in the in the Ten Commandments it says have no other gods before me? It's not like they're all named God that's the title not a name and so it's kind of funny, but it's right there in that conversation that we're having.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:29] Well and in real quick as a side note for what you just said it is not proper to ask someone in a polytheistic, religion which one when they say that to you it's not appropriate they get a little tissy.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:48] But if they're polytheistic wouldn't it be okay to ask which one?

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:51] It definitely stops them in their tracks and they're not sure how to answer.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:00] Because they didn't mean it that way.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:01] Yeah and it's really really funny and then we got into a theological discussion on why his choice in his was wrong, um and then I corrected him and he said good point and but he still thinks he was right so it's fine though he was wrong, yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:24] So what we're talking about tonight is not taking the lord's name in vain this is one of The Commandments and I say one of The Commandments because you can't say, Third Commandment second commandment fourth Commandment because different groups of Christianity have them numbered differently like in Catholicism it is not the same, number commandment as it is in protestant so the first mention, written of these Commandments is in Exodus 20 verse 7, and it says in the two he says what Biggs says what on Twitch.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:14] What what.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:24] Okay we are in Exodus 20 verse 7. Catholic? Oh he's asking about I'd have to look it up but yeah it's just they count them different numbers, it says do not misuse the name of the Lord your God because the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished anyone who misuses his name, now the King James says, in Exodus 20 verse 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain for the Lord will not hold him Guiltless that taketh his name in vain, and then we again we get this commandment in Deuteronomy five, 11 Deuteronomy 5, got change my King James over there too okay Deuteronomy 5:11 in the CSB, Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God because the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses his name so it's the exact same exact text, in Exodus and Deuteronomy in the CSB 5:11 I went to chapter 11 instead of chapter 5.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:48] I have it up if you want me to read it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:50] Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain for the Lord will not hold him Guiltless that taketh his name in vain. So both places it says the exact same thing but what is it talking about.

 

[29:07] What's it talking about Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[29:09] Well so.

 

[29:15] There's a couple thought processes that people have of taking the lord's name in vain, so there is the thought process of taking the lord's name in vain is like you mentioned using the title because people are like well that's just God's name is God, some people believe that, I personally do not I don't like it not because of the G but because of the D because it is, a curse of sorts you know you're cursing something you're asking the title who is a person to you, to curse something and I don't agree with that except every now and then when.

 

[30:17] I pray the prayer of David prayer I feel the person needs it anyway beside the point the other way of using it is you know swearing an oath I swear, usually that's implied to God that blah blah blah blah blah and then the other is, using God's name to do things that we should that should not be done in God's name.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:50] Okay let's pause and let's speak to your two points your two things they're swearing an oath.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:57] Which ones.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:00] And doing things in God's name it shouldn't be done okay so the first we're going to go to Matthew chapter 5.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:07] Uh-huh.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:13] And if you saw the art bump earlier than you should have known we were going to go to Matthew Chapter 5 at some point all right.

 

[31:22] When we get to verse 33 this is Jesus teaching by the way this is all in  The Sermon on the Mount this is basically the longest, sermon that's ever been given in the history of mankind, you think your pastors long-winded at your church I'm sorry he's not. The Sermon on the Mount was crazy, there's they theorize, that  they didn't even actually record everything he taught on The Sermon on the Mount because it was just too much they just hit the highlights and even the highlights is like three chapters long.

 

[32:02] So when we get to verse 33 Jesus says, again you have heard once again that's Matthew Chapter 5 starting in verse 33 again you have heard that it was said to our ancestors you must not break your oath but you must keep your Oaths to the Lord, but I tell you don't take an oath at all, either by Heaven because it is God's Throne or by Earth because it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem because it is the city of the great king, do not swear by your head because you cannot make a single hair white or black let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything more than this is from the evil one. Okay so.

 

[32:52] ETF, and you've already... did you take care of this troll on Twitch?

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:57] No I have had my Bible open.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:02] All right if swearing an oath on anything in Earth or Heaven comes from evil, is of the evil one then wouldn't.

 

[33:25] I solemnly swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help... wouldn't that be breaking this commandment?

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:31] So-so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:36] Wouldn't swearing into office, where'd uphold the Constitution of the United States with your hand on a Bible you swearing on the Bible wouldn't this be breaking this commandment.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:46] So well not technically.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:51] I can't I can't after doing this study this week I'm never going to be able to swear an oath any ever they're going to subpoena me for something to give a testimony that you were like do you solemnly swear. I want to say no I can't under religious, for religious reasons I can't violate the teachings of Jesus.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:10] Yeah no, I agree we should not do so but there is a thought process behind it that people are inaccurate the thought of you don't actually have to use the Bible. First off when you're swearing an oath you can use anything.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:33] Yeah but it says swear on anything do not swear on endurance and you're not taking oath on anything.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:39] Oh I know I know I'm not arguing the scripture, I'm arguing your point the fact that you don't actually in any of those situations have to swear on a Bible lots of people do because we are a Christian Nation.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:55] In the in the story Fried Green Tomatoes the priest swears on a copy of Moby Dick before he gives his testimony so that he can lie in the courtroom.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:12] But no an oath should not be taken it should be yes and yes and should be knowing know but it does get complicated when.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:30] And once again we're not talking sin we really because Jesus teachings don't have anything to do with the big bad S big bad Sin. Jesus teachings have to do with if you want to live a life that is following me if you want to be Christ-like do these things.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:50] Yeah and it does cause an issue when you have the structure of the government set up to where you have to swear an oath.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:01] Right or you can't serve where you can't testify or you can't.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:06] And we're supposed to Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's so on a certain stance you know we should be following.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:13] But I don't but that's that doesn't apply because I don't belong to Caesar.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:18] No but you're supposed to follow the rules of the nation and the authority put ahead of you as well.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:26] Right but you can refuse you keep getting refused to swear.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:31] But I don't think you can legally serve if you do.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:38] No you can't which I don't, personally I'm not saying this is the official position of The Ekklesian House or The Berean Manifesto this is my own personal as a human being point of view I don't believe that Christians should be serving in political office, and involving themselves in that at all. I believe that's the secular government and Christian should be, focused on the church and Christian things mainly because of the teachings of Paul, don't submit yourself to a secular judge, don't submit yourself to a secular court, don't submit yourself to you know to these rules of the secular world, over and over and over he says that. So for me personally, from the teachings of Paul I don't believe I should be involved in that kind of thing anyway, so that's that's my personal viewpoint.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:41] And I can understand your position, disagree, but I understand your position.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:47] And you're welcome to disagree because we have hard Theology and we have soft Theology and this is definitely a soft.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:54] Most of yours is soft.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:57] Mmm wow.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:59] Wow that was harsh right was very salty it was very salty because we're supposed to be the salt of the earth yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:03] Harsh I mean like I can taste I can tell.

 

Pastor Newms:

[38:10] So we visited a church today.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:12] We're supposed to be the salt of the earth but Lot's wife took it a little too far.

 

Pastor Newms:

[38:18] So we went to we went to visit a church today and he was preaching about the salt of the earth and it was really funny because every time he said and he was probably in his 30s so he's probably about our age was a visiting pastor, he sit like you'd see the look on his face is like you know we're called to be salt we have you know and and sometimes our salt needs to be saltier and and you saw like certain times when he would use, salty or salty or salt you just see that and at one point he finally goes, I'm sorry I'm really struggling with just the word salt because of all the salty people and it was just it was one of those moments where you're just like, it's true like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:07] (Sung to the tune of Eleanor Rigby by The Beatles) All the salty people where did they all come from.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:14] But anyway yes continue.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:17] I don't know what we were talking about.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:19] We were talking about your personal beliefs about the government we should fact we should never swear on anything so like it's really funny because I've taught my children not to, I swear because you know I swear to goodness I'm gonna you know you shouldn't do that.

 

[39:39] I've actually got I've actually said I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:41] Wham boom straight to the Moon.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:44] I've actually like independent like I swear to everything that I do not even like I'm going to it and I know it makes no sense but to the point where, I'll say I could have swore that such and such because the word have two different meanings, and my daughter be like you're not supposed to swear though.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:12] Yeah I could have sworn means I was so I was so sure it was this way that I could have given testimony under perjury of law, that this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:27] But it's funny that you bring that up because even she's like we're not supposed to swear and I never really went there, but it is true and that is a problem when you combine the secular with the religious it's situations like that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:48] It absolutely is all right so that's your you know my response to that first point you brought up the second point you brought up was not, say you're going to do something in the name of the Lord that shouldn't be done in the name of the Lord.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:10] Like the Crusades.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:12] Like the crusades, but I have a very I have a specific biblical example and people like to trot this out and go well Jesus believes in human sacrifice, or God believes in human sacrifice that, all right so there's this guy in Judges, and I didn't look up the story because we're not going to read it from the thing it's a very sad story but I'm gonna you know we're going to cover the brief and then you'll know enough you can go look it up and read it if you want this is guy and there's a war going on and he's going out to war and he swears to the Lord, that is while he's out there he wins a victory, then when he returns the first person that comes out of his home, he will burn in a sacrifice to the Lord.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:02] The first thing.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:06] Different translations translated a different way but person thing either way, and when he gets home his daughter is the first thing person whatever to come out of the house and he follows through. First off, under Jewish law he shouldn't have done that because you're not supposed to you know he definitely broke this commandment there's like there's no two ways about it he broke this commandment.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:37] Yeah he broke it in two ways.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:41] And then he fulfilled it now it's such a weird situation because if you make an oath to the Lord and then you don't follow through we read There was consequence right Exodus 20.

 

[43:06] Verse seven the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses his name so he missed use the name so now he's got a choice to make, do I follow through and burn my daughter to death or do I go back on what I said,

and I get punished and if you've ever read through Judges, it is just one example after another example after another example why the people of Israel were screwed up, and needed leadership that's what the books of Judges are for to show that is a people needed good leadership and were completely screwed up, so when you hear the story about well God believes in human sacrifice because this guy swore to the Lord he'd smh his daughter and then he did,

that's that's been taken way out of context that's not the context of the story at all that's just the events of the story, the context is a cautionary Tale. It's a don't do this thing, that's wrong.

 

[44:32] So the lord's name in vain people say it's swearing a certain type of swear, or you'll say Jesus when something happened use the name Jesus as an expletive you know, all right so Twitch has a question she wants to clarify Twitch - Zaidi has a question she's like to clarify on Twitch says okay so like with let your yes be yes and your no be no

 

[45:05] Is it also mean that when you tell someone maybe you'll make it or I'll have to see, saying something like I don't know you're in the wrong. Well do you you you and it did you intend to deceive, did you lie did you intend to deceive them? Were you saying I'll have to see because you literally have to go check and make sure see if you can make it or were you actually blowing them off, if you were actually blowing them off then yeah you're in the wrong you lied you intended to deceive them, that's actually pretty clear-cut but if you actually had to check the details that's completely different what I tell my kids you know I don't want to let him my kids my kids will ask me things like tomorrow can we, XYZ and I'll look back and I'll say I don't know maybe.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:05] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:06] What do you mean? I don't know what's going to happen between now and then I don't know what's gonna happen then I can't predict the future, I would like to do XYZ that would be great but I don't know let's see what happens I've you know fully intending I fully intend we're going to do this thing but I can't guarantee it I'm not the ruler of the Universe, I don't control what happens so I don't know, so there you go it's the intent did you intend to this was your intent to deceive.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:44] And often I'll try to pull the probably not but maybe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:49] Yes you say that often.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:53] It's like probably not but maybe which is is probably not like there's but you might, because I don't know the future I might be wrong in my know and I don't want to even give that and it is real it gets real bad in the workplace because I'm very much, cognizant of lying in the workplace and Billiam is heard me in meetings, often I'll be like well.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:27] Let's clarify if there's any any phone calls that happened in your office that are Hippa related in any way shape or form I'm not allowed to be there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:40] No we've been in meetings together like even our meetings was it talking about my work okay I see what you mean.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:47] But I don't want anybody to misconstrue that works with you or works around you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:53] No I don't deal with HIPAA patient stuff anyway so we're fine normally.

 

[48:04] So it's definitely, yeah you definitely I will always it work people be like well can I get this next week I'll have to take that back to the team is now, do are they going to get it next week no, nine times out of ten but every now and then I go hey team what's this look like they're like 10 minutes we can do it today oh, all right cool do it take you but, I hate I try really hard to not because I've been burned so many times by sales people and other people saying oh yeah our system does that oh yeah our this does that or oh yeah that car comes with that and then you get it and you're like no it doesn't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:00] Mmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:02] Anywho.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:05] So she follows up on Twitch that she was always taught that you have to always give a yes or no answer and be sure of your decision on the spot like right then and there and then mean it and not change your mind,

which she said frustrated her as a kid which yeah that's frustrating and and not very logical, for anyone to hold someone to especially not a child, you can say I don't know you can say I need more information you can say we'll have to see what happens I mean, as long as you know you're not lying, basically the let your yes be yes and your no be no by that Jesus is saying if you commit then commit and if you don't if you say you're not going to do something then don't do it, he's not implying that you have to commit right then and there he's saying when you do commit-commit, yes I will do that, no I will not do that yes I did do that no I did not do that.

 

[50:20] I might not be here tomorrow they just gives this example on Twitch at first I was like what do you mean you might not be here tomorrow or not doing this tomorrow but yeah that's a good example I might not be here tomorrow that's it you know, that's true now in the in the early church, they wouldn't even say things like, I'll see you tomorrow or next week we're going to harvest that grain things like that, they went so far as to say if the Lord tarries then tomorrow I will see you, so as not to basically give an oath on something that they couldn't control, because it was it was present you know an ever-present thing in their mind you know like my yes be yes and my no be no they wouldn't commit to doing something tomorrow because what if the Lord comes back, well then so they would say if the Lord tarries.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:32] Yeah and that continued for a very very long time and I know people who still do it, I prefer the the I'll see you next time, the side-eye that that's that's I've said that a couple times you know, see you next time looks like you hit by a bus and you know it's like what, do you plan on getting hit by a bus no I just don't want to lie to you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:05] I mean you can just say see you later because whether it's here or there in here or in the judgment is a good chance we're going to see each other again.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:15] But see there's therein lies the problem good.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:20] What's the problem there yeah yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:27] That's the that that that that one word doesn't regulate with people who are legalistic sorry.

 

[52:38] Yeah I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:38] So maybe a babe maybe I'll see you later.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:41] Zadie said I actually did have to stop saying things like that because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:46] Because your make it the girls cry.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:48] I made my daughter's cry on a couple of cases.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:50] You monster.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:51] They be like my dad see you when you get home from work unless I die and they're like wait what what no and I'm like oh yeah that doesn't work with children.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:01] Oh man.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:03] I've always been a little morbid sorry like that's just happens.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:10] That's so funny alright so did you have anything else you wanted to, did you have any more points you wanted to make in this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:23] No I mean I'm those are the main ones is that there's multiple ways you can take the lord's name in vain and I think another one that you know is definitely the not just the, don't say you're doing something because of God when it's not because of God.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:43] Mmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:44] That one that one that one irritates me a lot.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:49] Another example of breaking this commandment is is claiming God did something He didn't do.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:59] Now there are times that one gets a little fuzzier, but use.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:11] For just not claim God did it.

 

[54:22] Wait you're not accidentally breaking this command.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:24] I just like the God told me to belong and you're like that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:34] I always say I feel like God told me to.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:43] And but my the funny one is when it's completely off base and you're like God would, God's not going to break his own Commandments God's not going to no don't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:55] Cure that was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:56] Don't I thought the same example we're not going to go there but it was crazy God told me to shoot that man no he did not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:05] To shoot that man no sir no.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:09] Anyway.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:10] You you do not know the voice of your Shepherd this is definitely not your Shepherd.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:16] But I mean, yeah I struggle with things like that of you know and we have we have atrocities, in the pack in the past that, were attributed to God that sadly he had nothing to do with and has time and time again,

made Christianity look so much worse when individuals or organizations, have have gone that route you know God told me to make this Kool-Aid and have everyone drink it but huh you know I mean, and as I mentioned earlier like the Crusades God told us to take back Jerusalem and destroy, everyone in Kill and murder everybody and you're like, or did you just really really want to go to war because you were upset like you know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:31] They offended God and we have to protect him now God doesn't need you to defend him if he did he wouldn't be God.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:40] And I agree like like Roxanne saying what you said in the you know don't attribute things to God that he had nothing to do with.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:52] Yeah on YouTube she says she just likes it when people say God saved me from this or that and and they say it every day about something God saved me from a vicious squirrel attack, I okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:11] Cuz the prop the biggest problem I have and it belittles what God actually does do for us every day, you know there's God God takes care of us God has plans God has this God has so those are important, you know got got God saved me from tripping and falling on a loose board, Maybe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:42] What maybe you should go back and read Psalms.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:46] But.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:46] Um does that that's it that's an angel deal that's not a god deal but you know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:52] Well and see that's why that's why I do have a little bit of an issue with with it is because you could argue God sent the angel to protection at some point God created them so because of that God did it, but that's still not God doesn't keep the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:10] That's akin to thank you for inventing Dr. Pepper, God.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:17] Well that when he might have actually done that might be divine inspiration have you tasted it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:23] It's Ambrosia man, straight up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:25] I mean there are but to be fair there are times where God has given us, given divine inspiration people have thought of things that they never would have and they're like I don't know where it came from I was sitting around one day and the problem the the answer to the problem just fell into my lap when I was sitting there.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:45] Dropped right into my brain.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:46] And you're like okay that one that one might have been like, so there are times we're not we're not saying God doesn't save people in or or you know different things we're just saying don't attribute, things that are you know,

that God didn't have any God caused that earthquake no no.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:15] Unless God himself came down and told you he was gonna make the earthquake or took credit for it afterwards stop saying that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:27] But God.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:28] That's ridiculous.

 

[59:34] Keep that to yourself.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:35] But.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:41] That should be a deathbed confession kind of thing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:44] The aspect that we whoo.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:48] Bellows 80, it's quiet as a reading was Zadie the book she wrote on Twitch.

 

[1:00:16] Because weather patterns to make it easy because they T6 you know there was an instance with rain on the highway and and she prayed and and then that we would need rain and the rain came down really hard and then she's like not in me right now I'll driving 70 miles an hour down the road and the rain let up, um that just that sounds like a coincidence to me changing weather and weather patterns is, that's a that's a wide-reaching effect you know so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:51] Oh she's actually attributing it to someone saying that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:00:58] What do you mean.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:59] She said she knows she just thought it was funny because it was like you know she was basically joking with God of whoa not right now not right now knowing that it wasn't just because she, she's not trying to actually say that God started and stopped the rain that moment it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:20] Okay okay but for the record.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:27] I read it the same way I was like I know some I know some people who have played with the rain they think and typically causes some, other issues when you start dealing with I'm asleep.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:49] Yeah so it's a lot easier to tell when someone's telling a joke when tonight next when you're, talking inflection body language so it's real right over my head that this was a funny scenario not a so the other day, nothing right so is everything else.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:02:16] No just don't don't blame or cast or use in any way when it's not, just don't just don't do it it's not hard just don't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:02:31] Don't be flippant, don't be flippant about it and don't be delusions of grandeur about it either stay somewhere in the middle respectful and you'll probably do all right that's that's my takeaway, yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:02:50] And hopefully I'll be here next week and closing.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:02:53] Hopefully hopefully will be here next week because if you can't connect and then I'm not just going to sit here and talk at my camera for an hour.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:02] Well I could I just don't know if I can host that's the problem, we will know beforehand.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:14] Right we'll do we run tests earlier in the day and make sure that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:18] Oh no we'll know. We'll know on like Thursday night.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:23] When you when you get there get into town.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:24] Yeah because if I have if the connections good the connections good connections bad the connections oh bad, I know he is I know he is I know he is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:42] Okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:43] No he is I know he is so it's fine.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:46] Biggs says that'll be up to God and I'm just like that wasn't it then our wasted just the whole hour was just.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:00] Oh yeah I don't even know if I'll be back we're going to Dollywood on Sunday.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:06] What is Dollywood anyway I've heard that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:08] So Dolly Parton is is Dolly Parton and she is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:14] I know who Dolly Parton is.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:16] She's awesome, it's one of those things I think I told the joke before that someone on Twitch said you know who's one person that if you don't like it it's a red flag and it's like Dolly Parton, who doesn't love Dolly but like if you don't like Dolly Parton there's something wrong with you like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:36] So the movie 9 to 5 Dolly Parton.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:41] Based on the song.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:42] When that came out and I asked the movie theater if I could have the movie poster and they gave it to me and I hung it on the wall and then my mama came home with marker and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:56] Your sweet mother yeah yeah sure.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:00] Raise the neckline of her dress and I was like okay that's cool I only wanted it because I like the movie doesn't matter to me I was too young I wasn't.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:10] Yeah you didn't you didn't get.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:11] That mode you anyway but it's just funny thinking back you know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:16] So Dollywood is basically an amusement park it's got roller coasters but it really centralizes around music and shows so, it's it's like Six Flags if there was more shows and dinner theaters and and fewer rides.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:39] So Disneyland.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:42] Smaller.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:46] It was basically just Six Flags with less rides and more shows that was my takeaway.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:53] Never been can't speak to it but never been to Dollywood either there used to be a place.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:00] Was it Disney World which ones in California World or Land and then I went to Disneyland.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:07] So part of it is there used to be a place called Opryland and it was centered around the Opry which is of course it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:18] The Grande Ole Opry.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:22] A Grand Ole Opry and it was the same thing there were lots of shows there was lots of so we lost Opryland because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:32] Did it sink into a  bog or something?

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:34] No Corporate America actually.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:37] Didn't actually lose it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:40] It got turned into a mall.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:44] A mall.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:45] A mall yeah, same size takes as long to walk around no rides now and it's, expensive anyway I'll take you when you come in it's a nice place it's exactly like it's a Mills if that helps, so it's the Mills Corporation, so there's a there's a hotel there at the Gaylord hotel and then they bought that and destroyed it after the gate they built the Gaylord out here which are Gaylord was before your Gaylord actually but that's beside the point, so you know it's this whole thing yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:32] Oh yes be safe up there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:37] I say that part, no.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:39] Don't take any wooden nickels the podcast comes out every Wednesday at 7 p.m. anywhere that you listen to podcasts and there will be a transcription, if everything works out well with the transcription that a fan for the dirtiest encryption, and then Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. we're usually live and we love to join us when we are live so if you check out, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube to your weasel playing because that we broadcast live and we'd like you to join us.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:15] So to recap in case that didn't come across in case it sounds as bad as it sounded for me we love you guys stay safe and join us at 6:30 Central Standard Time on Sunday nights on any of the, platforms that we are scribe to our website is www.ekk.house go take a look and it has all of that information on there as well in case because there was some distortion when you were talking Bill.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:40] Storage it was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:42] There's there's still some.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:43] Why are you restating what I say.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:46] There is some distortion.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:48] Can you hear me as we wrap up the broadcast we have to give a 30 second buffer, second buffer 30 second buffer 30.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:59] 30 second buffer no.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:01] Is it in 30 seconds yet no that's not what I'm work 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer my love you guys, until next time.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:09:12] Be safe everybody unless he gets hit by a bus.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:17] Bye.

S3EP31 - Mercy

Pastor Bill:
[5:25] Hello and welcome to episode 31, of season 3 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope and Love for the Modern Christian and Pastor Bill and joined with me as always is my co-host Pastor Newms. Pastor Newms how you doing today.  Pastor Newms is feeling a little blah today just kind of blah just meh, meh.

Pastor Newms:
[5:54] Sticking my tongue out they can't hear us in the podcast world.

Pastor Bill:
[6:00] No the podcast can't hear you sticking out your tongue.

Pastor Newms:
[6:03] Oh here you go. Is that better for podcast world?

Pastor Bill:
[6:09] I don't know how I'm going to articulate that in the transcript.

Pastor Newms:
[6:13] I'm interested to see how Google how Google analytics not analytics but Google translation service rights that are they going to do this like the the P the the pfffffft are they going to go. Like what are they what are they going to write in the transcript I'll do it at least one more time just to see what the transcript does.

Pastor Bill:
[6:42] We are joined by Zaidi on Twitch and HpuffPhoenix on Twitch welcome ladies, glad to have you here. I don't know if Biggs will be joining us he hasn't sounded off yet - he is one of our regulars.

Pastor Newms:
[6:57] He's supposed to be, I talked to him earlier.

Pastor Bill:
[7:02] If you're listening to the podcast we want to invite you to come on by on a Sunday evening at about 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, and watch the recording of this live we meet tella-distance obviously well not obviously I'm in Texas and my co-host is in, Tennessee we got Rox joining us on Facebook. Welcome sweetheart, that's my wife I love her she's awesome, and so we want you to come by and you can watch it live and join us in the chat. Interactive chat here on Facebook, YouTube, and Twitch. Unfortunately Periscope died, Twitter decided to pull the plug on periscope, so that's no longer a platform that we are live streaming to. You cannot connect with us there any longer so if you have a Periscope or you enjoy Periscope all the old videos of all creators that are on there will be there, but no new content will be coming up there so if you're only following your favorite content creators on Periscope find out where else they are so you won't miss out on their content yeah so that's that. The death of periscope. So how was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:
[8:30] Week was good it was pretty blasé didn't really do much. I built a statue in Minecraft I worked a bunch of hours.

Pastor Bill:
[8:46] You built this statue you built a monolith.

Pastor Newms:
[8:49] It's not a.

Pastor Bill:
[8:50] It's Giant.

Pastor Newms:
[8:52] It's a Dwarven statue where I messed up the arms extravagantly. I'm interested to see what happens on Tuesday in Minecraft. Tuesday is the release of the first part of the caves and cliffs something like that caves and something I can't remember, that, is kind of a big deal bringing out several different types of ore. The server that we play on is not planning on completely wiping the world, but if it is found to not be, compatible it will actually have to be wiped witch yeah not real happy about that but that might happen. 

Pastor Bill:
[9:49] You got to stop man, every time I wear my cowboy shirt Biggs has digs.

Pastor Newms:

He's not digging he's got digs anyone.

 

Pastor Bill:
Is it cold in Texas? No it's not cold, it is a little cold in my office right now it's just kind of how I like it but it's not a necessary cold in Texas now.

Pastor Newms:
[10:07] Tina, she did find a job she starts tomorrow which is great.

Pastor Bill:
[10:12] Yay we need one of those buttons where we can push to make noises and be like yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[10:17] We'll see, I'm not ready to invest in one of those they're kind of expensive actually.

Pastor Bill:
[10:23] I bet we can find some kind of cheap simulator like I can just push a button on my keyboard.

Pastor Newms:
[10:31] But the only thing coming across to me is so would be yet another program I have to run during.

Pastor Bill:
[10:37] No on my computer so like I push a button and it says yay over my speaker on my laptop and then my microphone picks up that noise and it just comes across my audio track.
My wife says it's hot it's hot in the living room I guess she's in the living room and I'm in our bedroom which is where my office is this little four foot by four foot square here in the corner.

Pastor Newms:
[11:06] But yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[11:08] Actually 4 foot by 5 foot.

Pastor Newms:
[11:11] Yeah you know.

Pastor Bill:
[11:13] Just redid the flooring so I know exactly how big it is. I was like wait a sec I know exactly how big the whole floor is in my office.

Pastor Newms:
[11:22] Ark released its final map.

Pastor Bill:
[11:28] Oh I'm sorry Roxanne is outside I guess at a park. No, she hasn't come home yet she she went to go see her mom and pick up Miranda and Finnick who spent the night at their Mimi's house.

Pastor Newms:
[11:42] You don't know that your wife is not at home.

Pastor Bill:
[11:45] You know I'm focused on what we're doing here ok I'm focused.

Pastor Newms:
[11:50] Mmm and Zaidi is going to get something if she doesn't stop it because it is not hot in here she's just.

Pastor Bill:
[12:16] All right so before we dig a deeper into that because we're not gonna. My week was okay it was a pretty good week. You know I redid the flooring and then that kind of messed me up physically for a while and now I'm the last day or two or so I've been able to walk around without my cane yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[12:39] Yay.

Pastor Bill:
[12:40] You know my body is healing from doing all this flooring works so that's good, and unfortunately in the mobile game that you and I both play we-re in between story arcs.

Pastor Newms:
[12:52] Yes.

Pastor Bill:
[12:53] Which makes for a very boring weekend game however, I kind of needed a boring weekend game myself it's been a while. Been pushing that game a little hard and so I needed a chance to,
deescalate the importance of that game in my life and so I'm excited for the new story arc to come up and to have a healthy perspective on that game because it's on my phone you know so it's not like it's just at my desk when I sit down and play on my computer it's, everywhere I go it's there calling out to me you know give me your attention I want your attention and I'm just, I got the other things I want to focus on too so... You and I are gearing up for our new streaming stuff Gaming With The Pastors.

Pastor Newms:
[13:46] We are working on it yes.

Pastor Bill:
[13:47] I made that logo this week so that's fun, and waiting on my computer to come in so we can actually hit that full steam and I've been playing Minecraft. Mainly just to refresh my muscle memory on w-a-s-d-e-shift,
space and using a mouse to move around because I haven't PC gamed in a very long time.

Pastor Newms:
[14:19] I don't know what you mean.

Pastor Bill:
[14:21] Man Twitch is having a conversation all its own tonight they're talking about your pets and it's just you guys are crazy having your own little conversation over there on Twitch.

Pastor Newms:
[14:33] Which is exactly what they used to do when we were all at the same table.

Pastor Bill:
[14:36] That's true it'd be targeted Niche feel like in their little group talking to each other it's fine we want people to talk to each other and we want people to be able to do ministry to each other. This is not a top-down Ministry a top-down church this is. It's the community yeah we're a community... I didn't even want to say like-minded we're not really that alike about it. But so there are some of us that are like minded anyway so that's how my week was.

[15:16] The good one it was a good week and I've got a new monitor and a monitor mount and it's all set up it was set up last week but now it's like I actually figured out how I actually want it setup so now it's set up that way, and I got a new mouse pad in so I got my desk all organized the way I want it, just waiting on that gaming computer and the keyboard and mouse and we can start doing the Gaming With The Pastors which is exciting. 
Pastor Newms:

Pastor Newms:

[15:45] That is not how we are going to say it. Not like that.

Pastor Bill:
[15:47] Okay just because I made you am Emoji where you're going like this (Crosses arms and frowns) doesn't mean you have to be like this.

Pastor Newms:
[15:54] No you made me a bit Moji like that because I am like that.

[16:06] I got dragged into this I'm here.

Pastor Bill:
[16:12] I feel like so I am a person that really leans into the Holy Spirit and wherever the Holy Spirit blows that's where I go. Wherever the Holy Spirit inspires that's what I do. So my whole life is. My wife will say why did you turn this way instead of that way we normally go that way. I felt an unction so I'm going. Why did you do this? Tell to ?nachshon? that's what I'm doing. So my whole life is like that, I don't know the reasons I just know this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

[16:52] Biggs says Pastors That Game and I thought about that and I thought about Pastors With Ggame and I was like no it sounds like we're hitting on ladies. And Newms was like no it's Gaming With The Pastors that okay yeah gaming with the pastor's it's not pastors that with game it's not pastors that game is.

Pastor Newms:
[17:11] Because the key is the community it's not supposed to be us just playing games the point is to have conversations while we're playing games which is just going to be funny.

Pastor Bill:
[17:24] Yeah it's going to be it's going to be a good clean-ish religious centered.

Pastor Newms:
[17:35] Have you played games.

Pastor Bill:
[17:36] Comedy comedy show.

Pastor Newms:
[17:40] It's going to be a comedy show we can't promise it's going to be clean-ish I die a lot and I say a lot of things.

Pastor Bill:
[17:46] The issue is not your language.

Pastor Newms:
[17:49] The issue is you forgetting to shower every day that's the ish.

Pastor Bill:
[18:01] What I'm confused.

Pastor Newms:
[18:04] Don't know what you're talking about.

Pastor Bill:
[18:09] HPuffPhoenix says she doesn't think we have game and Roxanne says.

[18:15] Like chilling with the villains and Zaidi says just not on penicillin chilling with the villain just not on penicillin your wife with the rhymes all right so now it's time for our segment that I,
hey where you going hey newms we're going.

Pastor Newms:
[18:36] Nope nope.

Pastor Bill:
[18:39] He's rolled right off of screen.

Pastor Newms:
[18:41] Nope fine I'll come back.

Pastor Bill:
[18:44] Come back all right it's time for Get To Know The Pastor.

Pastor Newms:
[18:49] I should have stayed gone.

Pastor Bill:
[18:50] And tonight's question is.

[18:58] So last week I swear I shuffled these before we started this series last week was a hero from fiction right, this one is your hero in real life. Living or dead. It's fine either way heroes in real life we don't have to do several you can just pick one it doesn't have to be a definitive favorite just pick a hero in real life.

Pastor Newms:
[19:38] I don't know and despite what HpuffPhoenix would say it is not my sister she is not my hero in life.

Pastor Bill:
[19:50] Bigs on Twitch says Abraham Lincoln. Is for him a real life hero.

Pastor Newms:
[19:58] I can't I don't there's a lot of people that I look up to but I don't know if there's a lot of people I would call a hero you know what I mean.

Pastor Bill:
[20:10] I for one expected you to say your dad like 100%.

Pastor Newms:
[20:15] Well again.

Pastor Bill:
[20:16] You hold no higher admiration for any human being in the world then for your father. You have no higher respect for any human being than your father.

Pastor Newms:
[20:33] I mean you're not wrong but again I don't know if it's a hero aspect or an extreme. And see the problem is the term hero worship always messes with me because I'm so cautious to it's like.

Pastor Bill:
[20:50] Okay so let's reframe it just for this conversation. Someone with attributes that you aspire to.

Pastor Newms:
[20:58] It'd be the old man. Now there are a lot of people a lot of aspects of people that I would I would argue.

[21:17] You know people in the past of America and other countries you know, leaders that like Biggs said about Roosevelt that's always something that stuck with me that particular phrase is something I've always lived with which is speak softly and carry a big stick that's why I use my cane even when I don't need to, and so it's like, do what you want this is 13 layers of fiberglass with a 7 ounce Steel.
Head sure go ahead talk okay but um, so yeah I mean obviously my father that one is kind of a given because he definitely.

[22:07] Is someone I've always looked up to the, as Biggs said oh look it's just a cripple oh wait no it's not so fun thing about a cane, other than that there are aspects of a lot of people that I look up to you though my my, my hero would have to be someone like what Rick made where it's you know an amalgamation of past people and, I don't know I don't remember every one he put into the that Abe Lincoln somebody guy but yeah that's what mine would look like some kind of weird Frankenstein's monster.

Pastor Bill:
[22:54] Abraham Hitler Lincolnshire whatever his name was.

Pastor Newms:
[22:56] Yeah something like that yeah yeah what about you.

Pastor Bill:
[23:03] So for me that's an easy one. That's got to be Mahatma Gandhi. And not for the same reasons as other people but but yeah he stood up for what he believed in he had a certain set of principles, the one he's most famous for is the adherence to non-violence, even in the face of violence he believed that when facing true evil the best thing you can do is hold to your own, um Purity your own character and so in India when he was leading these peaceful riots, against things that were going on they'd come out and they were beating the people and beating him and his whole thing was you don't fight back, because when you fight back then you've lost. you just take it you take the beating because that was his principal that's what he believed in, but the thing that most impacted me about his whole life is one quote that really challenged me and really.

[24:22] I wasn't a Christian but I was raised an Evangelical Christianity you know my mother was an Evangelical Christian shes still a Christian not so much with the Evangelical anymore because that's kind of all gone off the rails,
but um, so the quote is If I ever meet a Christian who is like the Christ of the Bible then I will become a Christian. And that turned everything on its head for me that quote challenged me and set me on this course of.

[25:10] Berean lifestyle without even knowing what to call it. To really find out what are we doing, as The church that is Christ like let's hold on to that and what are we doing that's pushing people away from Christ let's get rid of that. What are we do you know let's do that let's focus the church to be more like Christ and so this quote just revolutionized my life and overall, he became my hero I know people say well Jesus is my hero and that's the only way it should be and spit this religious you know bull on you well yeah of course Jesus, frankly Jesus was a literal hero, he faced overwhelming odds and had the power to overcome it and chose not to yeah that's fine but, that doesn't dig into the honesty of the question to just say Jesus or Paul or Peter or just choose a well-known biblical you know. Personage so yeah so I would have to answer Mahatma Gandhi as a real-life hero.

Pastor Newms:
[26:37] If I was going to go biblical it would have to be, Paul and David though. Because David's prayer life was very interesting and, well Paul was Paul and I would esteem to be that because I'm more Peter so.

Pastor Bill:
[27:04] I really like Peter. He's one of my favorite Bible characters which you know is obviously why you and I get along so well is because you're so much like Peter and I'm just you know I like that, hey man here's how it is and your face and get over it and if you don't like it then, okay see you next time have a good day but I gotta admire James.

[27:36] James the half brother of Jesus growing up in the shadow literally of the Messiah. Who your parents literally think can do no wrong other than you know running away for three days and being found in the temple,
your brother literally makes water into wine, heals cripples, walks on water. I'm trying to live up to that. And still be the humble writer of one of the most love infused books of the Bible that's all about humility and love and is a true example to all of us on how we should be walking in love and walking as a Christian. I admire the heck out of that guy that he's amazing so there you go alright so.

[28:41] This week last week we talked about morality and we got a little heated. I should say I got a little heated you followed the notes on your board knowing that you were lighting a fire underneath my butt.

Pastor Newms:
[29:00] What.

Pastor Bill:
[29:01] And going full steam at me.

Pastor Newms:
[29:03] You know the funniest part I actually rewrote the notes on the board because me Zadie and Phoenix were having a conversation on either Monday or Tuesday and I rewrote it in a different way just because, of the conversation we were having and several times something would be said during the week and that reach up and start tapping it and make a reference that had nothing to do with what was actually written on the board and and it was it was quite the irritant it was quite fun.

Pastor Bill:
[29:42] So you carried the notes on throughout the whole.

Pastor Newms:
[29:44] I did I did I.

Pastor Bill:
[29:46] Whether they were applicable or not.

Pastor Newms:
[29:48] Yeah completely in up put the butter at some points. Yeah but I wrote you know yeah it's interesting I forgot to show you earlier and I forgot to tell you that earlier too but I looked up and went oh yeah the notes on my board yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[30:07] Biggs says what's his name James or Jacob you know the Book of James is written by the half brother of Jesus, James who for a time was the head of the church, when Peter proved to be too much of a wild card to to carry that title in any kind of respectable manner, they then gave the title to James and then when James was done with it and Paul took over the church and then Paul remained the leader of the church until he died despite the claims of the Roman Catholic church so. The Bible also says or alludes to I don't want to say point-blank says it alludes to Jesus having other brothers and sisters not just James so he may have had a brother named Jacob. It's a popular name of the time but I am specifically talking about James who wrote the book of. Who were going to read verses 1 through 13 of chapter 2 out of tonight so. I've been in my notes is rather so it's read James chapter 2 verses 1 to 13.

Pastor Newms:
[31:26] Yeah but if I completely blow your night away and you have to throw your notes away again like last week we won't get to it.

Pastor Bill:
[31:32] That's the beginning of my notes.

Pastor Newms:
[31:34] I can I can derail us real.

Pastor Bill:
[31:37] You're going to derail me right away.

Pastor Newms:
[31:39] I mean I could.

Pastor Bill:
[31:41] Guess you can try all right so as we were talking about Mercy.

[31:54] Yeah we're talking about Mercy so turn in your Bible,
to James chapter 2.

Pastor Newms:
[32:00] Now I have a question have you looked at.

Pastor Bill:
[32:02] Just the beginning of my notes And a derail me with your question if you can't find James no ill will towards you it's only five chapters. See humility he was like I'm just gonna do five chapters it'll be fine. No he wouldn't have said it that way because there were no chapters or verse numbers until hundreds of years after the Bible was collected. James is after Hebrews and before I Peter in the order that they're laid out in the New Testament as we've covered in the past it is not in Reverse alphabetical order or anything close to that. It's in the order that it was believed they were chronologically written and then later found out that that was erroneous so it's really just a random order that has no logical sense to it. 5 Biggs says on Twitch - all right.

[33:17] James chapter 2 were in read verses 1 through 13. My brothers and sisters do not show favoritism as you hold on to the faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ for someone comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and a poor person dressed in filthy clothes also comes in if you look with favor on the one wearing the fine clothes and say sit here in a good place, and yet you said to the poor person stand over there or sit here on the floor by my footstool, haven't you made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts, listen my dear brothers and sisters didn't God choose the poor in this world to be rich in faith and Heirs of the Kingdom that he has promised to those who love him yet you have Dishonored the poor.

[34:17] Don't the rich oppress you and drag you into court don't they blaspheme the good name that was invoked over you, indeed you fulfill the Royal law prescribed in the scripture love your neighbor as yourself I'm sorry if you fulfill the Royal law, describe the scripture love your neighbor as yourself you are doing well, if however you show favoritism you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors for whoever keeps the entire law, and yet some was at one point is guilty of breaking it all for he who said do not commit adultery also said do not murder so if you do not commit adultery but you murder you are a lot of break. Speak and act as those who are to be judged by the law of freedom for judgment is without Mercy to the one who has not shown Mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

[35:31] The big takeaway there was Mercy triumphs over judgment. And when you start reading that and you know that you're talking about emergency and you know that's where James is going it's hard to reconcile, what the heck is he talking about. Why is he talking about showing favoritism to one person over another in the church service and why is he talking about loving your neighbor as yourself and why is he talking about okay sorties what he's basically talking about it is instead of judging others and saying well you've got this sin and you've got this sin and you've got this sin and you've got this sin it's better and more preferable to choose Mercy over and love over correction. Right, so instead of being the judge over someone else choosing mercy and just free hugs.

Pastor Newms:
[36:58] Differentiating thought Mercy is pretty clear even as a you know even in this distinction between its Greek forms and it's English forms Mercy is one of those things where there's not a lot lost, in most, of the time it's translated Mercy there's not a lot lost its its you you have the ability to judge harshly and act upon it. But you choose not to. And it's so mean it's not it's Webster's Dictionary is still pretty like you know what I mean it's not it's not something that's changed it shouldn't be a hard concept for all of us to follow now some of us.

Pastor Bill:
[37:48] It's not a hard concept for us to understand some of us have a really hard time.

Pastor Newms:
[37:54] That's what I was about to say it shouldn't be hard to follow some of us is real hard. Very quickly decide whether someone is or isn't, what I would I can hear the dripping sarcasm in the two letters that Biggs just posted in twitch he just posted no.

Pastor Bill:
[38:34] No

Pastor Newms:
[38:45] Again so we're going to see how it translates it.

Pastor Bill:
[38:48] Hpuff says wonder where you get it from.

Pastor Newms:
[38:52] So we're not going there because that would not be a merciful conversation.

[39:00] I did but it definitely is something that a lot of people struggle with because it is hard to walk out it is not hard to, understand like Mercy his Mercy wow easy, it's not it shouldn't be a hard concept it's not a concept that there's deep theological discussions on what there are, amongst those of us that are like no it's real simple it's not real easy to do but it's a real simple concept you know we've talked we've talked before about. You know this ties back to your, Gandhi quote you know be a Christian not it's not hot, it's not a hard concept very hard to do, not a hard concept it's show mercy and yeah it is kind of funny that my girls two of my girls at least, of the too many that live here are in the living room and you can hear their laughter several seconds after something happens on stream sometimes and that is humorous because someone, who shall remain nameless hasn't built me a wall yet.

Pastor Bill:
[40:25] Oh I.

Pastor Newms:
[40:26] Which of course is a joke because I haven't paid for the wall yet so how would he.

Pastor Bill:
[40:32] Right, Okay so. Boom we're talking about judgment and mercy we are many people who are like okay but if I don't judge if I don't. If I don't look at their lives and go hey this is wrong you should change this then I am not doing my part, which we've talked about in the past you know it's not your job to judge it's God's job to judge, but you know you can't, you can't divorce mercy from judgment and not talk about both and so, Proverbs chapter 21 verse 2 says all the person's ways seemed right to him, but the Lord weighs hearts. Right so, when you doing something you making decision you go yeah yeah seems like the thing I want to do that's that's that's the that's the thing I want to do even when you know the consequences are going to be bad like drinking too much having a hangover doing drugs, the Hunger for More yada yada.

[41:59] It's in the moment it seems like you're going the right way right and so let's back up to Proverbs chapter 16, and in verse 2 is written almost the same thing. All the persons ways seem right to him but the Lord weighs motives okay, if you can't weigh a person's heart and motives then you're not worthy in that moment to judge them. You are worthy to love them. So your job is mercy. Mercy and love and let's just let's just bear down on this concept even further first Samuel chapter 16.

Pastor Newms:
[43:05] Is that you turning a page at a time.

Pastor Bill:
[43:08] No that's me flipping through to first Samuel I'm going to turn one page at a time two thousand Pages at it.

Pastor Newms:
[43:16] It was it was it was very soft and I was like is he turning one page like I get it that I just have to scroll and click but like.

Pastor Bill:
[43:28] HPuffPhoenix on Twitch asks so you mean like because you have no understanding of that person you have no right to? You're on the right track with what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that you're not capable you're not at the level of being able to judge that human being because you lack insight. It's not about a right it's about you being unworthy I'm unworthy to judge someone else, I'm worthy of loving them and having mercy. God is the worthy judge. God does appoint judges to judge over matters and you know opinions and blah blah blah and and The Church can be called upon and by Church I mean any collection of believers can be called upon to speak judgement into a person's life, per what was laid out in Matthew about you know confrontation and things like this but all right, so in first Samuel chapter 16.

Pastor Newms:
[44:45] Let's let's wait one second because and the reason I say this has nothing to do with what you're going at and everything to do with your camera is completely frozen so I'm afraid you're about to lose connectivity, potentially are you there.

Pastor Bill:
[45:03] Yeah I'm here I hear you.

Pastor Newms:
[45:05] You might check your phone cuz you were just you're like you're like this.

Pastor Bill:
[45:14] So my pictures Frozen but my.

Pastor Newms:
[45:18] Your your audio is coming through clear I just know that sometimes that's an inclination that when one starts to go the other sometimes does and so.

Pastor Bill:
[45:27] Which is weird because my phone is on AT&T cell service and my computer's on my home internet. Not even on the same service.

Pastor Newms:
[45:39] And you would think you would think that they would not go down in the same way and you would think the AT&T service would be better than your satellite internet but yet.

Pastor Bill:
[45:53] Actually it's not satellite it's laser dish.

Pastor Newms:
[45:56] Yeah whatever it's a.

Pastor Bill:
[45:58] So instead of instead of sending and receiving a beam this way it's sending and receiving a beam from two miles that way.

[46:10] So there's a dish on a water tower over there that's a hard line to the internet is where I'm getting my internet from, so despite my image being frozen we're going to we're going to move on because it seems to all be working other than that so when we get to 1st Samuel 16, Saul, King Saul has overstepped his authority and has usurped Samuels right to give an offering to the Lord because Saul got bored of waiting, and thought the sooner we do this the better, and so we're going to go ahead and do this and it wasn't Sauls job it wasn't Sauls duty it wasn't Sauls right to bypass the person the Lord had anointed, to do all of these things, and so Saul had fallen out of favor with God and God had decided it was time to anoint a new king so, God gives specific instructions to Samuel who

[47:22] understandably wants to keep this on the down low, because if Saul finds out that Samuels anointing a new king then Sauls going to want to kill Samuel and also whoever he's anointing as the new king because let's be honest, that's what Kings do the power goes to their hand that's just this is why we.

[47:46] Almost literally have no more monarchies. Functional monarchies forgive me England and Canada and everyone else that's pretending there's still a British Empire, um we're no longer functional monarchies so in in chapter 16 here the same you will, calls for.

[48:18] Okay okay Samuel calls for a sacrifice invites a bunch of people to the sacrifice. Amongst them are the sons of Jesse, now Jesse has multiple sons and what we're going to focus in on here. Is let's start. No certain verse 5 of chapter 16 we're going to read through verse, first Samuel 16 verses 5 through 7 in peace he replied I've come to sacrifice to the Lord consecrate yourselves and come with me to the sacrifice, Danny consecrated Jesse and his sons and invited them to the sacrifice when they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and he said certainly the Lord's anointed one is here before him now. You can't understand he said this because when God anointed Saul.

[49:27] So the people of Israel people are there and they're demanding a king to give us a king, and Samuels Consulting God you guys like you don't want a king, you know he's gonna take your money he's going to call it taxes he's gonna send your young men to war they're going to die, you're not going to like this he's going to get a big head you don't want a king and they're like give us a king give us a king and God's like okay Samuel look out in the crowd,
and Simon was like all right and there's one dude that standing there taller than everybody else says Head and Shoulders taller so you know everybody's else's head is right here at his shoulder. And okay there's your king that tall guy right there he's taller than all the rest. He's the new king so so so Eliab is historically this strapping tall well-built fast athletic smart, I mean he is the cream of the crop alpha male so when Samuel sees him he goes now I see why you sent me to the family of Jesse this has got to be the new king okay I get it now I get it now God likes tall strapping strong people.

[50:46] And so Samuel saw Eliab and said certainly the Lord's anointed one is here before him but the Lord said to Samuel do not look at his appearance or his stature because I have rejected him humans do not see what the Lord sees human see what is visible but the Lord sees the heart. So this thing of judging someone instead of having and what James talked about someone comes in, and they look opulent they look rich they look like they you know have influence they look like they've got the Benjamins and that's going to overflow to your ministry, and then someone comes in and rags and then they look hungry and they look, stressed out and they look like they're on crack or they look high, or God forbid they're dressed a little racier than you're used to seeing young ladies dressed when they come into church.

[52:05] It's not your purview to judge them by their outward appearance it is your job to have and show mercy and love them. This is mercy. This is what this is and I know we say oh yeah we understand it we understand it but deconstructing that understanding is the first step to then actually living it out so. We're going to sidebar here just right quick. Um Biggs is full of jokes tonight man he keeps talking my mind if freeze-frame stop motion now he's calling it voiceover, it's a voiceover over top of a frozen picture of message that's fine so we are we're going to sidebar not that sidebar different sidebar.

Pastor Newms:
[53:03] I mean I have a great video clip I can play.

Pastor Bill:
[53:06] No we're not playing that at any professional. Then you we're not doing that okay deconstruction there's a lot.

Pastor Newms:
[53:19] Yes there is.

Pastor Bill:
[53:20] A video that's out there of people deconstructing their faith. And I, Pastor Bill, of The Ekklesian House encourage you to deconstruct your faith. If your faith doesn't survive deconstruction you never truly believed. I know that sounds harsh but it's honest. You should deconstruct everything you've been taught. Go back to the Bible, find out what it teaches you, find out what your claimed religion believes and if you don't still have faith at the end then all this time you have been lying to yourself.

Pastor Newms:
[54:25] Yeah and it's definitely something that I recently saw something and it they were talking about deconstruction and how wrong it is in this and that and I was like, the problem comes into play where when you're deconstructing your faith if all you're left with is religion and not a relationship when you deconstruct, there's not going to be anything there because sadly the church overall not individual churches, The Church, has adopted a lot of beliefs that aren't really scriptural and so when you, um deconstruct the religion not the relationship not what Jesus actually taught you there is there's a you can easily end up standing there going. Wait that's not correct at all I.

Pastor Bill:
[55:36] And I would rather you have that moment now than at the end. Lord Lord I cast out demons in your name I fed the poor I visited the hungry if they fed the hungry I visit those in prison right I'd rather you have that moment now. Find out that you never truly believed.

Pastor Newms:
[56:04] Now one of the issues with deconstruction as a movement that's currently going on our there is a lot of people deconstructing, not biblically. They're deconstructing with someone on a one-on-one basis and they're not ever going back to scripture and looking at it they're just having conversations deconstructing. Then going oh wait I don't actually believe any of this, well do you not believe this because you were taught inaccuracies or do you not believe this because you don't believe this like there's a huge aspect and there's a lot of a lot of people that are going through that right now that are then walking away from the faith and saying well I never I never believed any of it, and you're like correct you didn't. But were you ever actually taught what Christianity is supposed to be because so many times. There's so much that as we get older or as we've moved forward in time you look back and you're like wait I've always held that belief.

[57:28] Where is it or I've always thought the Bible said that because I've been taught the Bible says that a thousand times but wait it's not and as Biggs knows. We experienced this in several churches where, we exited because one of them one of the churches because they didn't show mercy to some teenagers but, then when we started actually looking at the fact you're like wait this has, all this that was taught all this that was said especially in Biggs is Generation so much that they were told the Bible says like you know we all have we all know that the Bible says this phrases and like 50 to 90% of them are either misconstrued or don't exist, and you're like oh but I've always been taught that I've always been you know and so there's definitely is some, issues which is a lot of why you started you know looking at and I you started looking at.

[58:38] You don't like you mentioned the brand lifestyle and starting this ministry more which is to help look at it from a standpoint of what does it actually say not what our predetermined beliefs are on these topics because let's be honest is you know and I do when I was 19 I went through this, because I needed up at a ministry that was charismatic. When I had been taught that certain aspects of the charismatic movement are just sin. And it was a it was a dig in for a long time and look at it to see what the Bible actually says and to see what was actually there. Biggs brings up a good point about the Rapture because the church that he goes to, the pastor's very much not a pre-trib pastor he his belief is post, or and so because of that that is something that gets brought up at their Church quite often that's one of the things that he's saying because that's one of those that. That's one of those situations where you go well, because the Bible says a lot about it but doesn't say much at all, and so.

Pastor Bill:
[1:00:03] And nothing definitive on timeline.

Pastor Newms:
[1:00:06] Yeah exactly, we know it happens we know it's a thing, we know how it happens we know how quickly it'll happen we know lots of the steps and how it happens we have no idea when in the timeline it happens because the book that gives us the timeline isn't where it's really talked about.

Pastor Bill:
[1:00:33] I've seen lots of very convincing sermons given to support pre-trib,, post-trib and mid-trib.

Pastor Newms:
[1:00:43] And you know and that's one of those things that we've talked about in the past there are certain aspects of Christianity, certain beliefs that we hold that are in the category of what's your what's your favorite symbol how do you live your life. Your midget your emoji.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:05] I don't know.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:07] There are certain aspects of Christianity that's like huh does it really mer like we know the core the important parts we have to agree on outside of that bro I mean.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:22] The Swans in space principle that is used in science yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:28] So Biggs being mean, he's not just being mean to you today he just took a shot at Zaidi. last night we went to his church because The Katinas were performing,
Katinas are a band that you know we're popular 20 years ago and still are.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:45] They didn't seem to play very many songs though.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:48] They didn't play very many of their songs they played all the worship they played all the and so it.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:55] That's there's my confusion right there because all I could see was your face or Biggs's face.

Pastor Newms:
[1:02:02] Yeah and you could cause my camera can't see the screen very yeah they didn't play a lot of their hits, quote unquote so one of the things the Pastor said during it was you might have a fancy tractor but it's just for bush hogging. To which I get a text message that says from Zadie.

[1:02:28] What is bush hogging so of course because I'm mean, I leaned over to Dad I'm laughing because we're outside I'm laughing I turned the phone and he looks at it and he starts laughing and as you can see she's already defensively saying I didn't grow up in the country I didn't know what it was but she thought it was just some reference not like, an actual thing because here in Tennessee when I Googled bush hogging there was actually like bush hogging rates bush hogging discounts bush like it's not just like a, it's like that's on people's website like this is our cost to Bush Hog so Tina was like oh it's that and then for all those people out there that don't know what it is we're not going to tell you, you are now all like Zadie and have to go Google.

[1:03:34] They haven't Googled it they don't they don't care if they think we're joking and they think it's a meme they think we're going to Rick roll them and this is not a Rick Roll.

Pastor Bill:
[1:03:43] No no.

Pastor Newms:
[1:03:44] Bush hogging is a thing you just from up north or another country sorry.

Pastor Bill:
[1:03:49] All right it's that time I had two more scriptures but now they don't seem relevant anymore hmm.

Pastor Newms:
[1:04:06] Silence dude.

Pastor Bill:
[1:04:09] So that's what we have for this week.

Pastor Newms:
[1:04:11] To you too.

Pastor Bill:
[1:04:11] The audio version of this podcast comes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you listen to podcasts we finally last week got the transcription service working correctly so it takes me like an hour to do the format of the transcription instead of six hours in I'm only halfway through like it was taken before when we weren't doing transcriptions of our multi-voice podcast so that's, that'll be out on this Wednesday, and we really would like anyone to join us every Sunday night 6:30 p.m. you don't have to agree with us you don't have to agree with what we say, you really don't even have to be the same "religion" I hate that word we need a softer word you really don't have to be the same religion you just have to understand we have a topic, we're going to stick to that topic, and we want to keep it relatively clean, always respectful so please join us live you can participate on the on the chat if you do get abusive you will get banned and blocked and all of that bad stuff so.

Pastor Newms:
[1:05:29] Or if you just Spam me for no good reason because.

Pastor Bill:
[1:05:32] We're all right so come prepared to actually join the chat.

Pastor Newms:
[1:05:34] I don't have as much mercy as I should.

Pastor Bill:
[1:05:40] Well I have to draw a line there like if you are actively impeding someone else's ability to join in, then you have crossed the line and something needs to be done right look if you're streaking through the First Baptist Church in the middle of offering there's a problem.

[1:06:03] Yeah you shouldn't be streaking through a Baptist Church ever if you're a nudist go find a nudist colony.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:11] Okay.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:13] I'm not saying it's wrong to be naked I'm saying that's the wrong venue for you to be naked in.

[1:06:24] You say that you said that.
Has it been 30 seconds yet of course not that's not how time works there it is.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:37] 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer yep.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:42] All right I think that'll do it for tonight we love you guys.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:47] Seconds of dead air when I push the button so to show the pretty picture.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:51] So the pretty picture and until next time.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:55] Be safe please love you guys.

S3EP30 - Morality

Pastor Bill:

Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 30 the Berean Manifesto: Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. First off, I want to apologize if you hear the, weird sounds that my voice is my mouth is making my bottom temporary Dentures snapped and I haven't found a good way to fix it yet I've ordered a kit for actually fixing that that's meant for fixing that, and it's on its way but it hasn't gotten here yet so for this one episode, bear with me that I don't sound like my normal self and that some some letters are going to sound funny, like when I try to say words that start with an S like sound or Shay well you know things like this, what Shea Butter Shea Stadium.

 

Pastor Newms:

Nope it's just you tried to you there was it sounded like there was an eye in there for a second I was like hmm.

 

Pastor Bill:

Now there wasn't no I all right so how was your week Pastor Newms.

 

Pastor Newms:

It was pretty good it was nothing out of the ordinary nothing weird or strange or or any of that it was just pretty bland, yeah. Played some games,nothing special they are either, I worked a lot we hung out a bunch the girls are out of school now that's a thing which means it's gonna be a very long summer since they're going to be home the whole time, in the house all day every day while me and my sister work from here also so it's going to be that's going to be a little interesting but yeah so that's pretty much it, was your week.

 

Pastor Bill:

My week was um I wouldn't say it was awesome it was it was pretty good, send today yesterday at Roxanne's aunt's house, for Memorial Day kind of had a bit of an emotional meltdown yesterday morning and me and Roxanne had a nice long, 30 minute maybe 45 minute talk more like yelling you know back and forth because I melted down and, so that was good it's always good to get on the same page and. Not be alone in what you're going through anymore, so you know because she's been working and she works a lot and when she's not working she's sleeping and when she's not sleeping and it's just a really small window every day that we can connect, it's been kind of hard on you know our day-to-day lives trying to adjust to the schedule for working overnights, so we're just we're growing through that and I haven't been faring well as you as you know Pastor Newms but we're, we're moving through so that was my week also we decided you and I and and we brought in our wives as members of the board and as people who had the objective looks at our lives, um we're going to expand our, streaming services and add some gaming into the mix where you and I do some some gaming and stream that gaming and invite people to come hang out with us and, do some more of that friendship evangelism stuff that we're always talking about, and so we ordered a gaming computer for me to use and I got a new monitor and, I was going to say something else about that.

 

Pastor Newms:

Soon we'll be updating channels on when that's going to be going on. I don't know if anything else you did.

 

Pastor Bill:

Yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

You bought the cheap little headset that you're wearing. Comparatively inexpensive headset that a better way of saying it.

 

Pastor Bill:

It’s like ten dollars cheaper than the gaming headsets over in the console section. And it was right next to the ten dollar headsets, over in the PC section yeah because I don't have my teeth in I broke my bottom, my bottom temporary denture and haven't had a good way to fix it yet so so yeah so tonight no teeth for Pastor Bill. Yeah you did tell us about your nails.

 

Pastor Newms:

What about them.

 

Pastor Bill:

They're dark.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yeah it happens.

 

Pastor Bill:

It happens they're not normally dark though.

 

Pastor Newms:

Sometimes it happens Tina was doing her nails last night and she was sitting there paint numb and I was like I want my nails done so I did my nails.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay doctor's office I'm not going to go pay thousands of dollars to get, my teeth replaced I ordered a kit to try to fix it myself I just have to wait for it to arrive I didn't finish paying off for the temporary dentures that are broken.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

It's ridiculous.

 

Pastor Newms:

That's what you get for sneezing.

 

Pastor Bill:

Well I originally broke them meeting popcorn, and then I think still and then I sneezed in they broke again and I fixed them and then I ate and they broke again and then and they broke again and then broke it yeah, yeah on Amazon is where I ordered my denture repair kit so it'll be here I think Thursday is when it’s arriving.

 

Pastor Newms:

Okay so that is part of it since Tina said it I'll say it now that we are fully in, the swing of being in Tennessee the, well let me rephrase it now that I'm fully vaccinated and less. Panicked might not be the correct word but I'm a germaphobe anyone who knows me knows that and so because of that the pandemic that is, going on was very hard for me dealing with to anyone being anywhere close to me, and so we stopped going to physical Church, when I have the vaccine everyone starting to go back and so we decided to start looking at some new churches, the church that we like a lot is about 50 something minutes away which isn't terrible but it is very, hard on a Sunday because the biggest part about that is you can't truly get involved, in order to get involved you have to go to the early service which means up at 5 a.m. to get there for the 8 a.m. you know and then you're there all day and then you're forced to eat out your for you know it's just it's a snowball that causes, a day I don't enjoy.

 

Pastor Bill:

Right.

 

Pastor Newms:

And so we decided to start looking at a couple of new churches well one of the things that I typically do when I'm looking at new churches is I tend to be a little more extravagant than I usually am, to allow for, to test not test test is the wrong word to.

 

Pastor Bill:

Test is exactly the right word.

 

Pastor Newms:

Well check in.

 

Pastor Bill:

The Bible even says it test the spirits.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yeah it is test but it's also to confirm, more than test because like I read everyone's online thing before we try churches and so it's like you know we look for we look for a certain type of, Church they have to be open they have to be loving they have to be you know all the things that we talk about here also and so you, anticipate that it's going to be that and, so I wore full chain Nails you know this shirt, because in my mind if a church is not loving towards me coming in looking like how I sometimes look they're never going to be kind to the type of people I usually minister to who, and all the time and I'm mild compared to Philly so because of that.

 

Pastor Bill:

Maturity.

 

Pastor Newms:

My trip pants are too faded they're no longer black that's the problem since all the 90s stuff is coming back I really need trip to come back hard and I'm going to buy like 30 of them, in like three sizes and just have them forever anyway, so that's the other reason why I, did my nails and stuff today just because visiting a new church and, not sure we really enjoyed it we're still going to be watching Life Church on TV you know I typically do the podcast of the sermons that they have out, but it's like I messaged you it's really really nice I missed a lot more than some people live worship, because I'm very much a worship person and so, I know I can fuse the camera by moving too much but I can't sit still because I broke my only desk fidget.

 

Pastor Bill:

H puff Phoenix. I was thinking as someone from Phoenix Arizona joined us on Twitch.

 

Pastor Newms:

It's h puff because she's a Hufflepuff and Phoenix because well Phoenix is a cool.

 

Pastor Bill:

I was thinking h puff Phoenix because she's a Hufflepuff that wishes she was a Gryffindor so that she could get the worthiness of the Phoenix.

 

Pastor Newms:

No she would never be a good Gryffindor.

 

Pastor Bill:

Sorry to be a disappointment, that's not a disappointment at all.

 

Pastor Newms:

Which is an extreme Hufflepuff thing to say but we're not going to.

 

Pastor Bill:

Really is.

 

Pastor Newms:

So I have obtained fidget it was on Tina's desk in the cup holder I was looking around and then I noticed it underneath, the Dragonite right here and I was like oh.

 

Pastor Bill:

And I have my fidget my custom sonic screwdriver.

 

Pastor Newms:

Stop handing me ten different fidgets because I said something brat. Came in here and handed me like ten different fidgets and put them on the corner of my desk including, including my spider do you like my spider.

 

Pastor Bill:

Oh my zadie on Twitch is merging fandoms she says she's Divergent because she's all the houses.

 

Pastor Newms:

She is she has taken the test like six or seven times, constricted test the first time and she was like I am not one of those there's no way she took the test again got a completely different result, to protest again got a completely different result so she's now taking it like six or seven times and gotten every result but, the one she truly wants now so he's happy see he's such a happy little guy I'm a hat, I'm a happy guy.

 

Pastor Bill:

All right Boris you can go in now.

 

Pastor Newms:

No I'm not I'm angry angry, so I am this actually sits between me and Heather, and when I'm in a bad mood I turn him and that tells anyone walking into the office you should probably leave daddy alone Daddy's in a mood.

 

Pastor Bill:

That's awesome.

 

Pastor Newms:

So

 

Pastor Bill:

All right so now it's time for the segment we call “Get To Know The Pastor.” As Newms moans here we go. Who is your favorite hero of fiction?

 

Pastor Newms:

Mmm you go first.

 

Pastor Bill:

Favorite you do that every time.

 

Pastor Newms:

Because I can't make a decision.

 

Pastor Bill:

Every time you go first.

 

Pastor Newms:

Your idea you should have to go first.

 

Pastor Bill:

You're wearing your favorite Hero on your shirt.

 

Pastor Newms:

He is not a hero.

 

Pastor Bill:

He is a hero he's a reluctant hero.

 

Pastor Newms:

He is not a hero he says it over and over again he does not count.

 

Pastor Bill:

Well he does heroic things.

 

Pastor Newms:

But see here's the problem if I have to sum up all of fiction,I can't sum it up that easily because if we're talking about all of fiction we're talking about, all the different universes the DC the Marvel the the, Doctor Who's Star Trek the Star Wars the Tolkien The CS Lewis the you're talking about all these things and going, which is your favorite I can't pick a favorite in the Marvel Universe. So because of that how am I supposed to pick one for all of fiction. No I didn't answer I didn't answer no it wasn't that's it that's a bullshirt answer that doesn't count look I sent.

 

Pastor Bill:

Not if it was not if it was an honest answer.

 

Pastor Newms:

Doesn't matter it's an incorrect answer nothing is not an answer what is yours not that I don't already know the answer can't be Jesus because it's supposed to be fiction.

 

Pastor Bill:

It has to come from fiction.

 

Pastor Newms:

And Jesus is depicted in most fictions as kind of.

 

Pastor Bill:

Hufflepuff Phoenix on Twitch said Jesus the answer is Jesus but that can't yeah that doesn't fit The Narrative of the question that specified fiction, favorite hero of fiction. Zadie asks is myths based on true stories, would those be fiction and therefore not count as well but know if you if you make something up, and just because it's based in reality like you can say you're having trouble.

 

Pastor Newms:

Trouble I think you supposed to taste trouble I don't know what kind.

 

Pastor Bill:

Am I having trouble I don't know what kind either.

 

Pastor Newms:

You're moving around a lot more than normal.

 

Pastor Bill:

Oh I feel like I'm a lot more free because the laptop is like normally I'm like this and the laptop is like right up into my belly and I can't move. I didn't change the subject I'm responding to the chatter on Twitch okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

Biggs is being a booty.

 

Pastor Bill:

Favorite hero from fiction,I immediately thought Green Lantern.

 

Pastor Newms:

No that's impossible.

 

Pastor Bill:

But there are so many Green Lanterns.

 

Pastor Newms:

You can't go there.

 

Pastor Bill:

You have to have to pick one Green Lantern to be my favorite and I just don't know that I can do that. I don't know what you're talking about.

 

Pastor Newms:

Really. We've lost Billiam see he got up and broke his broke his office.

 

Pastor Bill:

You're talking about.

 

Pastor Newms:

I don't either that's why I'm saying that's why I'm like.

 

Pastor Bill:

Idea I don't know who that could be.

 

Pastor Newms:

Technically Deadpool be classified as an antihero also that's why I can't use him.

 

Pastor Bill:

And yet you use the word hero in that description.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yes but an anti paladins not a paladin.

 

Pastor Bill:

It's still a paladin.

 

Pastor Newms:

No it's not it's the opposite. Yes I know. See it's an unfair question.

 

Pastor Bill:

It is it is an unfair question because it's hard to narrow it down and.

 

Pastor Newms:

Like had we said favorite Marvel easy Wolverine.

 

Pastor Bill:

Yeah if it's a Taylor DC I would have said you know Green. My favorite Marvel would be Hulk.

 

Pastor Newms:

My favorite DC would have to be Lobo.

 

Pastor Bill:

Hulk smash.

 

Pastor Newms:

I love that I love that you just leaving the fact that I said Lobo alone.

 

Pastor Bill:

Yeah I don't even want to touch the Lobo that's just gross why would you choose Lobo.

 

Pastor Newms:

Kiss no again Ghost Rider doesn't count he's an antihero.

 

Pastor Bill:

Um and you can you gotta be more specific like when I said with Green Lantern there's there's more than one Green Lantern there's more than one Ghost Rider.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yeah because there's Ghost Rider all the way back to prehistoric where he literally wrote a dinosaur same with Captain Marvel which one.

 

Pastor Bill:

Yeah well key.

 

Pastor Newms:

Again we have strayed from actual real heroes he's only a hero when he feels like it that means he's not a hero means he's a low-key, because can't classify him which is another thing me and you both watch the show Ragnarok this past week.

 

Pastor Bill:

We did we watch.

 

Pastor Newms:

That was an interesting depiction of some of those characters.

 

Pastor Bill:

That was really interesting yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

I doubt I can watch the next season whenever it comes out though.

 

Pastor Bill:

Which Doctor Who what do you mean they're all the doctor. Faith that I enjoyed the most was portrayed by David Tennant yes, I thought he did a good job of engulfing a lot of their most loved aspects of the original doctors portrayals, um of those aspects I thought he did a good job of pulling those together, and then I have to tip my hat to Matt Tennant that he did a really good job of displaying the progress from, well I used to be this guy and now I'm this guy but every once in a while the guy that I was, comes through and then I have a moment of.

 

Pastor Newms:

Sir what name did you just say no you did not.

 

Pastor Bill:

That's enough what did I say.

 

Pastor Newms:

You said Matt Tennant.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay Matt Smith, David Tennant Matt Smith.

 

Pastor Newms:

And Tina you can't say the War Doctor Zadie cannot say the War Doctor due to the fact that the War Doctor is not a hero he even says he's not I mean that one doesn't count either can't be a hero.

 

Pastor Bill:

Even nine wasn't a hero until he met Rose.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yeah he was real messed up till he met right yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

Um yeah if you're going to ask me literary fiction, I would choose John Carter of Edgar Rice Burroughs is,

Barsoom series Disney then made a movie about it but it bombed and.

 

Pastor Newms:

I don't think I could do literary.

 

Pastor Bill:

Now literary fiction. Why not.

 

Pastor Newms:

It's just too much. There's just I've read too much over the years too pick one.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay all right I think we're thoroughly warmed up Comics count no they don't.

 

Pastor Newms:

Manga does Comics don't.

 

Pastor Bill:

How much don't count as literary fiction as you're going to say graphic novels. You can call that literary fiction but comics.

 

Pastor Newms:

That's why that's why Manga fits is because it is a literary Style but anyway.

 

Pastor Bill:

It's all written word.

 

Pastor Newms:

Okay we be calm down.

 

Pastor Bill:

He has to have a certain length before it's considered a work of literature a literary work. Like you don't open up the newspaper and look at a comic strip and go I'm reading this this work of literature. Okay so this week we're talking about morality right and morality is this interesting issue, and we've talked about morality before in the past we focused on. Okay hold on pause Zaidie did you just type that you called Newms a Jerusalem.

 

Pastor Newms:

That that that can't be what she meant.

 

Pastor Bill:

Zaidie says I called Newms of Jerusalem he called me a weeb. Sorry I did not mean to.

 

Pastor Newms:

Okay well what was supposed to.

 

Pastor Bill:

Did you mean to type Israel I don't know which what did you mean to say.

 

Pastor Newms:

How did you get Jerusalem from anything. She called me a jerk face not you.

 

Pastor Bill:

She called Newms jerkface.

 

Pastor Newms:

Oh cuz I called her a week she has a weep she owns manga she's a weep sorry move.

 

Pastor Bill:

So we've talked about morality in the past and we talked about it in the past and I don't I didn't look up the episode number I should have but I didn't I've identified morality as the corruption, that took over Adam and Eve, before they ate the apple they had no concept of morality no concept of right and wrong no concept of Good and Evil there was just, I'm innocent and I do what's natural to me and everything is acceptable because, I just want to please the Lord and there's only one thing that I'm supposed to steer clear of, but they had no concept of this morality and right and wrong and then when they ate the fruit big brings up not an apple and he's right it's not an apple in, in the Dark Ages they were convinced that it was a tomato the apple is a more modern thing it's funny how heart, influences deal you know.

 

Pastor Newms:

So much.

 

Pastor Bill:

When people started painting depictions of Adam and Eve in the garden with an apple, then all the sudden the church started saying well it's an apple it's an apple before that they were saying it's a tomato it's a tomato before that they were saying it's some curse fruit that we don't have anymore. Right and so this one started painting it and then we get things like don't put your elbows on the table when you're eating that's disrespectful to God, and this is like for people that you're eating with well why is that well because Leonardo da Vinci painted the Last Supper and everyone has their elbows off the table except for Judas Iscariot, in that painting and suddenly it became improper to have your elbows on the table because, Judas was painting with his elbows on the table.

 

Pastor Newms:

Which is the least of the things that he might have done I mean like elbows are not like who cares like.

 

Pastor Bill:

Right okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

Morality.

 

Pastor Bill:

Morality and we talked about how morality, isn't something that we as humans are supposed to be dealing with not in our Natural State we had no concept of morality until, the fruit right and then suddenly we have this concept of morality right from wrong and not only do we have this concept that we apply to ourselves then we turn that around and we force what we think is right and wrong, on to others around us and this is where we get into a lot of trouble in trying to minister to other people, is we have this ingrained sense of morality that we then intermingle, with the gospel and the gospel was never presented in that manner, you never see once in the gospel in all the whole new testament you never see once where morality becomes a part of the Gospel there are some moral conversations that happen. Inside of the church's between one believer and another believer, saying well this is the way that I believe the church should be run this is the way I believe that church goers should behave this is the way I believe leaders in the church should behave, but you never once see them nixing this idea of right and wrong into what it is to be sane, they're not the same topic they're not the same concept.

 

Pastor Newms:

Definitely it's separate concept I think there's a couple places where it's heavily implied but it is not part of Salvation yes.

 

Pastor Bill:

And so that's not really what we're focusing on in this conversation but we had that's what we've talked about in the past so in this conversation we're going to talk about, is morality a set standard God's standard of morality absolute morality, forever or is morality, can the idea of what's right and wrong between man and God change over time okay, this is a big question that we have to answer and there's been a lot of talk about it, and I think I see a lot of area where Christians and the modern church had gone all Askew on this conversation and it's confused a lot of people, excuse me. It's confused a lot of people to wear they're then taking this idea that they're being taught by Christians in the church, and looking at the scripture through a lens of what they're being taught and getting all kinds of confused and then rejecting the church rejecting God and rejecting Christianity out right, because what they're seeing in the church and what they're being taught by the church then causes this huge contradiction, with what's in scripture and what they think is right and so on and so on and so on the Newms did you have anything you want to add to the conversation at this point.

 

Pastor Newms:

Um normal that you keep going first.

 

Pastor Bill:

Really so absolute relative absolute morality, pretty easy to understand it's the belief that there is one set of rules, that is always the set of rules for all people for all time and it's passed down by one Almighty person being, that is where. Hufflepuff Phoenix on Twitch asks but wouldn't the Redemption from Jesus sacrifice change those black-and-white moments to Gray. Respond to that comment.

 

Pastor Newms:

What you responded to comment you're in the middle of a sentence yes.

 

Pastor Bill:

And I remember where I was.

 

Pastor Newms:

Is it absolute between man and God forever or is.

 

Pastor Bill:

That's absolute morality relative morality is the philosophical belief, that right and wrong are not absolute values but our personalized according to the individual and his or her circumstances or cultural orientation.

 

Pastor Newms:

Okay so I want to interject now at this point so. Morality part of what we have to determine in this conversation is what morality are we talking about, are we talking about man's morality, towards  ourselves meaning how we live our morality or are we speaking to morality as a set of rules dictated by God, because to me that equals two different answers, morality as we view it as humans and morality is God views it is going to be different.

 

Pastor Bill:

Why.

 

Pastor Newms:

Easy because got God doesn't change right.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

So the rules that he set forth as rules, I would not change overtime. But how he views humans is different because of the sacrifices and Jesus. Because the rules that God set forth our, not I don't mean the Commandments that got written down because those had a specific purpose I mean the morality of, what God determined morality in the beginning that, I don't think ever changed originally the Only Rule is don't touch that thing over there, that never changed one person touched it he kicked all of them out of the garden and no one else has ever been able to touch it he put a physical barrier to where no one ever got to touch it again, then we have the concept of morality now I'm assuming based on your definition of morality being done. The belief system and how we operate in it if that's what we're going for because there is a belief about Godly morality meaning God's morality and I don't think that ever changes, the key to it is of course salvation and Jesus sacrificing well that erases it, so what Heather's Point makes it gray but gray is not accurate either.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay so let's back up for a second, and let me present the idea that God like Adam and Eve has no concept of morality.

 

Pastor Newms:

Then I would agree with your assertions sadly we don't know it's never actually talked about mmm.

 

Pastor Bill:

But we do know because God created Adam and Eve in his own image like himself they had no concept of morality they didn't know right from wrong, they didn't inherently have that, and God said if they eat it they'll become like us and they'll know the difference between right and wrong.

 

Pastor Newms:

So he already knew.

 

Pastor Bill:

He knew but is he tied to it.

 

Pastor Newms:

Well that's that's that's the thought process and that we don't know.

 

Pastor Bill:

Yeah I believe he's not tied to it and I believe there's enough biblical precedence to prove that morality that the the morality that god holds Humanity, is relative. I don't think they are I think the same thing.

 

Pastor Newms:

You Sodom and Gomorrah as an example okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

Pastor Newms:

Sodom and Gomorrah yep Sodom and Gomorrah God said I'm going to kill all of them because they've sinned, I'm going to destroy the cities because they've.

 

Pastor Bill:

He said the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is he meant, and their sin is extremely serious I will go down to see if what they have done to see if what they have done, justifies the cry that has come up to me, if not I will find out so God says the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had judged themselves according to their own culture, to be living a moral lives I'm gonna go down, and double-check and make sure that they really are living against their own moral code and if they are I'm going to destroy them.

 

Pastor Newms:

Or you could believe one could infer from the same passage he's going down to verify is the outcry actually against my moral code because he doesn't say, see what I mean one could argue with the same passage either thing. He's going down to judge them to judge if it is true so is he judging it based on them or is he judging it based on him.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay. Exodus chapter 21 starting in verse 2, when you buy a Hebrew slave he is to serve for six years then the 70th to leave as a free man without paying anything, if you arrives alone he has to leave alone if your rise with the wife his wife is to leave with him, it is Master gives him a wife and she bare him Sons or daughters the wife and her children belong to her master and the man must leave alone but if the slave declares I love my master my wife and my children I do not want to leave as a free man, his master's bring him to the judges and then bring him to the door or doorpost his master will pierce his ear with an awl and he will serve his master for life, when a man sells his daughter as a concubine she is not to leave as the male slaves do, it is just pleasing to her master who choose her for himself then he must let her be redeemed he has no right to sell her to foreigners because he's acted treacherously toward her I think we've read enough, either a. It's still moral for me to sell my daughter into sexual slavery or B, God was responding to the moral code they already had, and was putting it in stone how they should carry out according to their own morality how to take care of it.

 

Pastor Newms:

See now this is where I differ between morality and rules you can have rules that have nothing to do with morality I.

 

Pastor Bill:

Leti informs rules rules are created in response to morality so if a rule is created is a response to a morality.

 

Pastor Newms:

Some not all.

 

Pastor Bill:

God's morality is always the same always the same then this statement about selling my daughter into sexual slavery still, but you and I would both agree it's somebody sold their daughter in a sexual slavery that would be an immoral thing.

 

Pastor Newms:

But what I'm saying is you're drawing a correlation between the rules of the Old Testament which some of them did have to do with morality but some of them did not. The morality is separate from the rules themselves, some rules do not have any morality tied to them explaining to me how I should wear a shirt or my oh Bill froze give me a second.

 

Pastor Bill:

It's not the example I brought up I brought up specifically.

 

Pastor Newms:

I'm aware.

 

Pastor Bill:

Selling your daughter into sexual slavery.

 

Pastor Newms:

But the question I'm posing is is it correct to tie morality to that.

 

Pastor Bill:

How is it not this is clearly a question of morals.

 

Why is God saying this is how you should go about selling your daughter into sexual slavery.

 

Pastor Newms:

Because they were already doing it and so we need to have the rules to allow for it.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay but they were also already killing their brothers, and cheating their brothers and he said don't be doing that anymore don't don't kill your fellow brother your fellow Israelite don't charge them interest anymore don't do these things these things are wrong.

 

Pastor Newms:

But killing in it of itself isn't wrong there's a rule that separate from the moral of killing. It's wrong to kill that's morality me and you both agree the morality of death is always going to cause an issue but there are rules to win it is allowed, the morality is separate than the rules.

 

Pastor Bill:

You can't separate morality from roles no you really can't.

 

Pastor Newms:

I mean you really can.

 

Pastor Bill:

Create rules in response to morality.

 

Pastor Newms:

Some some you don't.

 

Pastor Bill:

I don't see that I don't see any rule ever any rule or law.

 

Pastor Newms:

The tax code is not in response to morality.

 

Pastor Bill:

The tax code exists in response to morality yeah it does the government wanted to steal from the people so they created a law that allowed them to steal from the people. It's an immoral law it's an anti morality movement but it exists.

 

Pastor Newms:

No see that's the problem with dealing with Morality In the way cuz you're trying to Define morality as a set of rules but morality isn't a set of rules you are.

 

Pastor Bill:

I've not seen as a set of rules I'm saying you create rules that because they are informed by your morality.

 

Pastor Newms:

I'm trying to understand what Tina what Zaydie just wrote how is their morality to death death is death no matter how you die no it's not it's not so if I come at Billiam with a knife to stab him in the gut, right that is an intention of breaking something if I'm holding a knife and Billiam trips across the room, and falls on it I did not kill him I did kill him but I did not kill him there's a rule the morality is you shouldn't kill there's a rule to protect, when the intent around it is different. Now as big said Jesus blood covers our sins which is not exactly, where and why we're discussing morality as a whole because yes Jesus blood covered all, of our sins of course but morality defines what is sin because morality defines what is, wrong because morality is right and wrong not necessarily the rules attached to it. Now. I will say this if you notice there's a poster behind me right here. I believe there is absolute morality because there are ingrained in US certain things that we know are morally wrong, every faith has certain beliefs that are set for example. In Romans 2:15. The Gentiles who do not by Nature have the law, do what the law demands they are law to themselves even though they do not have the law they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts their conscience has confirmed this they're caught they're competing thoughts either accused, even excuse them on the day that God judges what the people have kept secret according to the gospel through Jesus now to me that reads, everyone has a morality, written into them after the eating of the fruit because the fruit was the knowledge of Good and Evil, that in of itself sorry every time I open up anything full screen billions face starts shaking, crazily for no good reason because teams broke itself again after what I fixed, I hate technology some days so I believe that we do have a morality because that that is ingrained in US. And I think a lot of us have a moral code that is ingrained now, that being said the problem comes into play with two factors in that one what everyone considers morality not everyone else would consider morality which I would agree with you is relative morality, because there are some things that are as that verse says written on humans Hearts some things we know, our room overall but the majority of everything, he's relative morality but I believe some things are. Unless you're sociopath and if we want to talk to that conversation we can but that's a whole nother rabbit stream because they're never going to have any form of morality because, sociopathic they don't have feelings so it's different.

 

Pastor Bill:

So

 

Pastor Newms:

Congratulations Billiam this is the first time we have received a hundred messages in one chat.

 

Pastor Bill:

Salvation okay is it absolutely. So no matter what you do you won't lose your salvation.

 

Pastor Newms:

I don't believe so.

 

Pastor Bill:

In all morality is relative because once you become saved there is no wrong, you can do in the eyes of God.

 

Pastor Newms:

Well.

 

Pastor Bill:

You cannot lose your righteousness you cannot lose your salvation.

 

Pastor Newms:

That's the question is it because our morality or is it because the blood covering us. That's the question that's the Crux of the argument that, you and I could have let's be honest I have play Devil's Advocate a little bit more than I normally do tonight just because.

 

Pastor Bill:

Hard to man.

 

Pastor Newms:

It's fun well usually I go so light you actually said are you going to play Devil's Advocate on this one and I wait, I mean I can I can go full Baptist and go a whole route of things that I was taught that I no longer even closely believed in but I didn't go that far but I do believe there is, a absolute morality now this is the difference that we might actually have and in our difference I believe is an, of Simply, semantics and word choice not necessarily belief system and zadie the question of can you lose it through blasphemy the question is, that's a very interesting aspect because most some people would believe blasphemy of the holy spirit is the never accepting not that you can blaspheme after.

 

Pastor Bill:

Well you could bless him ask her but according to Paul that would be evidence that you never truly believe.

 

Pastor Newms:

So but that's that's that's the Crux of the argument between the two of us and we often have similar things like this is it that morality is different person to person, after salvation or is it that morality no longer matters after salvation.

 

Pastor Bill:

So final thoughts my cake on morality absolute or relative is that morality, that when God looks at humanity and holds us to morality that. Culture is a very big part of that like it's huge because God is all about the heart, and if you're raised in a certain culture all your life God is going to take that into account when he sets up this moral code between you and himself, and that's what we talked about you know we had this personal relationship with God and we're going to be judge on a personal basis, God is going to judge us according to us according to our life God isn't going to compare me to, and go will Newms was better than you so you failed he's not going to do that he's gonna compare me to the way I was raised to my cultural standards to all the things that I went through and that's a judgment that I'm going to go, and I believe it's important that we stop teaching absolute morality absolutely because even Newms said, it's absolute morality on a small list of things and everything else is relative but what the church has been teaching is that morality is absolutely absolute absolutely all the time.

 

Pastor Newms:

And that's a huge issue.

 

Pastor Bill:

And that's what's confusing people, because they look back through the Bible and they read things about slavery they read things about selling your daughter into sexual slavery they read things about God commanding armies to go white people out they read things that, does it make sense to them that absolute morality absolutely all the time, would allow certain people to do things that they find morally irresponsible your. So what we need to be teaching is that God wants. And God will deal with you on a one-on-one basis, and you're not answering to the god of hell fire and brimstone that someone else answers to, you're answering to the god of sheep and it's all the same God he's going to deal with you on a personal basis, if you think it's immoral to do XXX I'm not saying poor thing XYZ just placeholder you think it's immoral to do placeholder then God's going to hold you to that moral thought, if you think it's okay for me to do blah and you truly believe that, then God's going to deal with you on a different basis in that area then he's going to deal with me.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yeah and Paul was a huge proponent of that of you know, I wrote on my board as a joke that you didn't let me get to which was Moral absolutes are very cultural.

 

Pastor Bill:

I hope everybody got that.

 

Pastor Newms:

So um so the aspect of it.

 

Pastor Bill:

Moral absolutes are absolutely relative according to your culture.

 

Pastor Newms:

Exactly you know what Zaidie brought up just now you know Paul teaches you know what is sin for you is that a sin for me which is sin for me Isn't a sin for you I can go do things it don't matter, you know if you feel this is wrong then don't do it, you know the eating of meat sacrificed he was like well if it's wrong then don't do it at the same time he probably has holding a hamburger he's like I'm gonna eat it not in front of you necessarily but.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay it's a good it's a good kind of worms to open though hard question, she says is that like the freight where the phrase were thought process of well maybe send for you may not be sent for me she said she has trouble grasping that because also isn't Sin like all sin is equal in God's eyes, it's a good can of worms to open because. Thus in my lips did a little thing because I don't eat the sin that you and I are guilty of from birth is the corruption of morality.

 

Pastor Newms:

uHuh.

 

Pastor Bill:

Morality corrupted Adam and Eve and all of their descendants to where we're no longer perfect, that's the sin that we're guilty of okay everything you've done after that, is not heaven or hell sin that's not what you're doing. What you're doing is you're taking on imperfections that make you even less perfect than you already are, and God is perfect and you are not there's only one way for you to become perfect spiritually and that's with your faith and we will all answer, for our own life and the choices that we make not just for our sins this is one of those misnomers you're going to have to answer for all your sins, yeah but the Judgment that is laid out is more like it's kind of like watching a movie, and your commentating okay well you failed there you know you fell do you did a great job there that was awesome that was amazing you did wonderful there oh well you failed there, and the accuser is trying, bill of upon the things that you did wrong to prove that you belong on the outside like he is, and Jesus is going don't know what to tell ya they're covered by My Sacrifice so last night he had that doesn't count against them, so yeah you're going to answer for your sins. That's not the real focus of the Judgment we in our Western mindset have this idea of, that when God judges someone we see a courtroom and we see a judge in the judges passing down a guilty, but when they use this word judge in the Bible it's like.

 

Pastor Newms:

Olympic scoring the word is.

 

Pastor Bill:

It's a better yeah that's a better better.

 

Pastor Newms:

The Greek word is the same word they use for scoring in an Olympics, sorry for your nice little analogy you started to bring it to the picture and then took out of the picture.

 

Pastor Bill:

Yeah that was good it's like Olympics scoring but the sin that you're guilty of, that causes you to be separated from God forever was already committed before you were born, you didn't do it.

 

Pastor Newms:

uHuh.

 

Pastor Bill:

But you can fix it but only because God snapped his fingers and came, only human and fixed it and why would God need to do that because God is Not Omni powerful he's not, he was and then he gave authority to Adam and Eve and their descendants over themselves and over the Earth, limited himself, and therefore could no longer legally snap his fingers, and just undo what Adam and Eve did he couldn't, I see you smirking.

 

Pastor Newms:

It's because again it's it's, the issue I have is not in your point the issue I have is in the diction of the words used he is still all-powerful he just cannot do anything there's a difference.

 

Pastor Bill:

Not to God when God speaks it becomes reality.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yes but what I'm saying is is.

 

Pastor Bill:

Bigg's is typing 2.5 3.5.

 

Pastor Newms:

I think he's showing an Olympic score is what I'm assuming.

 

Pastor Bill:

Okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

Or he's counting the minutes that were late.

 

Pastor Bill:

Well we're five minutes over now so he's kind of minutes that we're late then he's wrong yes we.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yes.

 

Pastor Bill:

Which yes Olympic scoring or minutes. So the thing is when God speaks it becomes reality so when God says you now have authority and he gives up authority over even a micro didn't God is no longer all-powerful, because he gave up Authority all-powerful means he has all authority all power. He can no longer be all-powerful is he gave up a portion of his authority and Power.

 

Pastor Newms:

Well that's a discussion we should have on another day.

 

Pastor Bill:

I don't think we need Pew because if that's not true then the whole deck of cards falls apart.

 

Pastor Newms:

Right but we're at 7:36 right an hour and five minutes and I don't want to open up the can of worms more than I already have with that because I, I feel there is a huge difference between Authority and Power, he has the power to do anything he does not necessarily have the authority to do everything it's different.

 

Pastor Bill:

He doesn't have the power to you or anything everything.

 

Pastor Newms:

Again I think we're arguing over the semantics of the words were using I think we are I do.

 

Pastor Bill:

I don't think we are I don't think so I don't think so.

 

Pastor Newms:

Because we both believe the same thing with this we've talked about it too many times for us to not be on the same page.

 

Pastor Bill:

I don't know.

 

Pastor Newms:

One of us would know huh.

 

Pastor Bill:

I don't know what you're talking about.

 

Pastor Newms:

Yeah exactly but I also know we are very much, on the statement of words are way too important to both of us.

 

Pastor Bill:

I don't understand English correctly I. I who prefer novels written at a college-aged reading level don't understanding this correctly compared to the person who reads novels written for 8th graders.

 

Pastor Newms:

That's a personal choice I still enjoy the others.

 

Pastor Bill:

Buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer has it been 30 second chance 30 seconds.

 

Pastor Newms:

Oh pause pause pause pause.

 

Pastor Bill:

Dance.

 

Pastor Newms:

Biggs just brought up the fact that you don't understand English correctly because you were raised in Decatur that's messed up yeah he did.

 

Pastor Bill:

He didn't say that he said he said I'm from Texas.

 

Pastor Newms:

But it's specifically he knows what he meant he was being very rude I'm just saying now you can consider where your song, okay so you guys have a great night be safe we love you what else do you want to say.

 

Pastor Bill:

Until next time.

 

Pastor Newms:

Until next time all right and I'm going to cut over to the weekly episode thing for 10 seconds and then we're going to cut away.