S3EP31 - Mercy

Pastor Bill:
[5:25] Hello and welcome to episode 31, of season 3 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope and Love for the Modern Christian and Pastor Bill and joined with me as always is my co-host Pastor Newms. Pastor Newms how you doing today.  Pastor Newms is feeling a little blah today just kind of blah just meh, meh.

Pastor Newms:
[5:54] Sticking my tongue out they can't hear us in the podcast world.

Pastor Bill:
[6:00] No the podcast can't hear you sticking out your tongue.

Pastor Newms:
[6:03] Oh here you go. Is that better for podcast world?

Pastor Bill:
[6:09] I don't know how I'm going to articulate that in the transcript.

Pastor Newms:
[6:13] I'm interested to see how Google how Google analytics not analytics but Google translation service rights that are they going to do this like the the P the the pfffffft are they going to go. Like what are they what are they going to write in the transcript I'll do it at least one more time just to see what the transcript does.

Pastor Bill:
[6:42] We are joined by Zaidi on Twitch and HpuffPhoenix on Twitch welcome ladies, glad to have you here. I don't know if Biggs will be joining us he hasn't sounded off yet - he is one of our regulars.

Pastor Newms:
[6:57] He's supposed to be, I talked to him earlier.

Pastor Bill:
[7:02] If you're listening to the podcast we want to invite you to come on by on a Sunday evening at about 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, and watch the recording of this live we meet tella-distance obviously well not obviously I'm in Texas and my co-host is in, Tennessee we got Rox joining us on Facebook. Welcome sweetheart, that's my wife I love her she's awesome, and so we want you to come by and you can watch it live and join us in the chat. Interactive chat here on Facebook, YouTube, and Twitch. Unfortunately Periscope died, Twitter decided to pull the plug on periscope, so that's no longer a platform that we are live streaming to. You cannot connect with us there any longer so if you have a Periscope or you enjoy Periscope all the old videos of all creators that are on there will be there, but no new content will be coming up there so if you're only following your favorite content creators on Periscope find out where else they are so you won't miss out on their content yeah so that's that. The death of periscope. So how was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:
[8:30] Week was good it was pretty blasé didn't really do much. I built a statue in Minecraft I worked a bunch of hours.

Pastor Bill:
[8:46] You built this statue you built a monolith.

Pastor Newms:
[8:49] It's not a.

Pastor Bill:
[8:50] It's Giant.

Pastor Newms:
[8:52] It's a Dwarven statue where I messed up the arms extravagantly. I'm interested to see what happens on Tuesday in Minecraft. Tuesday is the release of the first part of the caves and cliffs something like that caves and something I can't remember, that, is kind of a big deal bringing out several different types of ore. The server that we play on is not planning on completely wiping the world, but if it is found to not be, compatible it will actually have to be wiped witch yeah not real happy about that but that might happen. 

Pastor Bill:
[9:49] You got to stop man, every time I wear my cowboy shirt Biggs has digs.

Pastor Newms:

He's not digging he's got digs anyone.

 

Pastor Bill:
Is it cold in Texas? No it's not cold, it is a little cold in my office right now it's just kind of how I like it but it's not a necessary cold in Texas now.

Pastor Newms:
[10:07] Tina, she did find a job she starts tomorrow which is great.

Pastor Bill:
[10:12] Yay we need one of those buttons where we can push to make noises and be like yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[10:17] We'll see, I'm not ready to invest in one of those they're kind of expensive actually.

Pastor Bill:
[10:23] I bet we can find some kind of cheap simulator like I can just push a button on my keyboard.

Pastor Newms:
[10:31] But the only thing coming across to me is so would be yet another program I have to run during.

Pastor Bill:
[10:37] No on my computer so like I push a button and it says yay over my speaker on my laptop and then my microphone picks up that noise and it just comes across my audio track.
My wife says it's hot it's hot in the living room I guess she's in the living room and I'm in our bedroom which is where my office is this little four foot by four foot square here in the corner.

Pastor Newms:
[11:06] But yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[11:08] Actually 4 foot by 5 foot.

Pastor Newms:
[11:11] Yeah you know.

Pastor Bill:
[11:13] Just redid the flooring so I know exactly how big it is. I was like wait a sec I know exactly how big the whole floor is in my office.

Pastor Newms:
[11:22] Ark released its final map.

Pastor Bill:
[11:28] Oh I'm sorry Roxanne is outside I guess at a park. No, she hasn't come home yet she she went to go see her mom and pick up Miranda and Finnick who spent the night at their Mimi's house.

Pastor Newms:
[11:42] You don't know that your wife is not at home.

Pastor Bill:
[11:45] You know I'm focused on what we're doing here ok I'm focused.

Pastor Newms:
[11:50] Mmm and Zaidi is going to get something if she doesn't stop it because it is not hot in here she's just.

Pastor Bill:
[12:16] All right so before we dig a deeper into that because we're not gonna. My week was okay it was a pretty good week. You know I redid the flooring and then that kind of messed me up physically for a while and now I'm the last day or two or so I've been able to walk around without my cane yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[12:39] Yay.

Pastor Bill:
[12:40] You know my body is healing from doing all this flooring works so that's good, and unfortunately in the mobile game that you and I both play we-re in between story arcs.

Pastor Newms:
[12:52] Yes.

Pastor Bill:
[12:53] Which makes for a very boring weekend game however, I kind of needed a boring weekend game myself it's been a while. Been pushing that game a little hard and so I needed a chance to,
deescalate the importance of that game in my life and so I'm excited for the new story arc to come up and to have a healthy perspective on that game because it's on my phone you know so it's not like it's just at my desk when I sit down and play on my computer it's, everywhere I go it's there calling out to me you know give me your attention I want your attention and I'm just, I got the other things I want to focus on too so... You and I are gearing up for our new streaming stuff Gaming With The Pastors.

Pastor Newms:
[13:46] We are working on it yes.

Pastor Bill:
[13:47] I made that logo this week so that's fun, and waiting on my computer to come in so we can actually hit that full steam and I've been playing Minecraft. Mainly just to refresh my muscle memory on w-a-s-d-e-shift,
space and using a mouse to move around because I haven't PC gamed in a very long time.

Pastor Newms:
[14:19] I don't know what you mean.

Pastor Bill:
[14:21] Man Twitch is having a conversation all its own tonight they're talking about your pets and it's just you guys are crazy having your own little conversation over there on Twitch.

Pastor Newms:
[14:33] Which is exactly what they used to do when we were all at the same table.

Pastor Bill:
[14:36] That's true it'd be targeted Niche feel like in their little group talking to each other it's fine we want people to talk to each other and we want people to be able to do ministry to each other. This is not a top-down Ministry a top-down church this is. It's the community yeah we're a community... I didn't even want to say like-minded we're not really that alike about it. But so there are some of us that are like minded anyway so that's how my week was.

[15:16] The good one it was a good week and I've got a new monitor and a monitor mount and it's all set up it was set up last week but now it's like I actually figured out how I actually want it setup so now it's set up that way, and I got a new mouse pad in so I got my desk all organized the way I want it, just waiting on that gaming computer and the keyboard and mouse and we can start doing the Gaming With The Pastors which is exciting. 
Pastor Newms:

Pastor Newms:

[15:45] That is not how we are going to say it. Not like that.

Pastor Bill:
[15:47] Okay just because I made you am Emoji where you're going like this (Crosses arms and frowns) doesn't mean you have to be like this.

Pastor Newms:
[15:54] No you made me a bit Moji like that because I am like that.

[16:06] I got dragged into this I'm here.

Pastor Bill:
[16:12] I feel like so I am a person that really leans into the Holy Spirit and wherever the Holy Spirit blows that's where I go. Wherever the Holy Spirit inspires that's what I do. So my whole life is. My wife will say why did you turn this way instead of that way we normally go that way. I felt an unction so I'm going. Why did you do this? Tell to ?nachshon? that's what I'm doing. So my whole life is like that, I don't know the reasons I just know this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

[16:52] Biggs says Pastors That Game and I thought about that and I thought about Pastors With Ggame and I was like no it sounds like we're hitting on ladies. And Newms was like no it's Gaming With The Pastors that okay yeah gaming with the pastor's it's not pastors that with game it's not pastors that game is.

Pastor Newms:
[17:11] Because the key is the community it's not supposed to be us just playing games the point is to have conversations while we're playing games which is just going to be funny.

Pastor Bill:
[17:24] Yeah it's going to be it's going to be a good clean-ish religious centered.

Pastor Newms:
[17:35] Have you played games.

Pastor Bill:
[17:36] Comedy comedy show.

Pastor Newms:
[17:40] It's going to be a comedy show we can't promise it's going to be clean-ish I die a lot and I say a lot of things.

Pastor Bill:
[17:46] The issue is not your language.

Pastor Newms:
[17:49] The issue is you forgetting to shower every day that's the ish.

Pastor Bill:
[18:01] What I'm confused.

Pastor Newms:
[18:04] Don't know what you're talking about.

Pastor Bill:
[18:09] HPuffPhoenix says she doesn't think we have game and Roxanne says.

[18:15] Like chilling with the villains and Zaidi says just not on penicillin chilling with the villain just not on penicillin your wife with the rhymes all right so now it's time for our segment that I,
hey where you going hey newms we're going.

Pastor Newms:
[18:36] Nope nope.

Pastor Bill:
[18:39] He's rolled right off of screen.

Pastor Newms:
[18:41] Nope fine I'll come back.

Pastor Bill:
[18:44] Come back all right it's time for Get To Know The Pastor.

Pastor Newms:
[18:49] I should have stayed gone.

Pastor Bill:
[18:50] And tonight's question is.

[18:58] So last week I swear I shuffled these before we started this series last week was a hero from fiction right, this one is your hero in real life. Living or dead. It's fine either way heroes in real life we don't have to do several you can just pick one it doesn't have to be a definitive favorite just pick a hero in real life.

Pastor Newms:
[19:38] I don't know and despite what HpuffPhoenix would say it is not my sister she is not my hero in life.

Pastor Bill:
[19:50] Bigs on Twitch says Abraham Lincoln. Is for him a real life hero.

Pastor Newms:
[19:58] I can't I don't there's a lot of people that I look up to but I don't know if there's a lot of people I would call a hero you know what I mean.

Pastor Bill:
[20:10] I for one expected you to say your dad like 100%.

Pastor Newms:
[20:15] Well again.

Pastor Bill:
[20:16] You hold no higher admiration for any human being in the world then for your father. You have no higher respect for any human being than your father.

Pastor Newms:
[20:33] I mean you're not wrong but again I don't know if it's a hero aspect or an extreme. And see the problem is the term hero worship always messes with me because I'm so cautious to it's like.

Pastor Bill:
[20:50] Okay so let's reframe it just for this conversation. Someone with attributes that you aspire to.

Pastor Newms:
[20:58] It'd be the old man. Now there are a lot of people a lot of aspects of people that I would I would argue.

[21:17] You know people in the past of America and other countries you know, leaders that like Biggs said about Roosevelt that's always something that stuck with me that particular phrase is something I've always lived with which is speak softly and carry a big stick that's why I use my cane even when I don't need to, and so it's like, do what you want this is 13 layers of fiberglass with a 7 ounce Steel.
Head sure go ahead talk okay but um, so yeah I mean obviously my father that one is kind of a given because he definitely.

[22:07] Is someone I've always looked up to the, as Biggs said oh look it's just a cripple oh wait no it's not so fun thing about a cane, other than that there are aspects of a lot of people that I look up to you though my my, my hero would have to be someone like what Rick made where it's you know an amalgamation of past people and, I don't know I don't remember every one he put into the that Abe Lincoln somebody guy but yeah that's what mine would look like some kind of weird Frankenstein's monster.

Pastor Bill:
[22:54] Abraham Hitler Lincolnshire whatever his name was.

Pastor Newms:
[22:56] Yeah something like that yeah yeah what about you.

Pastor Bill:
[23:03] So for me that's an easy one. That's got to be Mahatma Gandhi. And not for the same reasons as other people but but yeah he stood up for what he believed in he had a certain set of principles, the one he's most famous for is the adherence to non-violence, even in the face of violence he believed that when facing true evil the best thing you can do is hold to your own, um Purity your own character and so in India when he was leading these peaceful riots, against things that were going on they'd come out and they were beating the people and beating him and his whole thing was you don't fight back, because when you fight back then you've lost. you just take it you take the beating because that was his principal that's what he believed in, but the thing that most impacted me about his whole life is one quote that really challenged me and really.

[24:22] I wasn't a Christian but I was raised an Evangelical Christianity you know my mother was an Evangelical Christian shes still a Christian not so much with the Evangelical anymore because that's kind of all gone off the rails,
but um, so the quote is If I ever meet a Christian who is like the Christ of the Bible then I will become a Christian. And that turned everything on its head for me that quote challenged me and set me on this course of.

[25:10] Berean lifestyle without even knowing what to call it. To really find out what are we doing, as The church that is Christ like let's hold on to that and what are we doing that's pushing people away from Christ let's get rid of that. What are we do you know let's do that let's focus the church to be more like Christ and so this quote just revolutionized my life and overall, he became my hero I know people say well Jesus is my hero and that's the only way it should be and spit this religious you know bull on you well yeah of course Jesus, frankly Jesus was a literal hero, he faced overwhelming odds and had the power to overcome it and chose not to yeah that's fine but, that doesn't dig into the honesty of the question to just say Jesus or Paul or Peter or just choose a well-known biblical you know. Personage so yeah so I would have to answer Mahatma Gandhi as a real-life hero.

Pastor Newms:
[26:37] If I was going to go biblical it would have to be, Paul and David though. Because David's prayer life was very interesting and, well Paul was Paul and I would esteem to be that because I'm more Peter so.

Pastor Bill:
[27:04] I really like Peter. He's one of my favorite Bible characters which you know is obviously why you and I get along so well is because you're so much like Peter and I'm just you know I like that, hey man here's how it is and your face and get over it and if you don't like it then, okay see you next time have a good day but I gotta admire James.

[27:36] James the half brother of Jesus growing up in the shadow literally of the Messiah. Who your parents literally think can do no wrong other than you know running away for three days and being found in the temple,
your brother literally makes water into wine, heals cripples, walks on water. I'm trying to live up to that. And still be the humble writer of one of the most love infused books of the Bible that's all about humility and love and is a true example to all of us on how we should be walking in love and walking as a Christian. I admire the heck out of that guy that he's amazing so there you go alright so.

[28:41] This week last week we talked about morality and we got a little heated. I should say I got a little heated you followed the notes on your board knowing that you were lighting a fire underneath my butt.

Pastor Newms:
[29:00] What.

Pastor Bill:
[29:01] And going full steam at me.

Pastor Newms:
[29:03] You know the funniest part I actually rewrote the notes on the board because me Zadie and Phoenix were having a conversation on either Monday or Tuesday and I rewrote it in a different way just because, of the conversation we were having and several times something would be said during the week and that reach up and start tapping it and make a reference that had nothing to do with what was actually written on the board and and it was it was quite the irritant it was quite fun.

Pastor Bill:
[29:42] So you carried the notes on throughout the whole.

Pastor Newms:
[29:44] I did I did I.

Pastor Bill:
[29:46] Whether they were applicable or not.

Pastor Newms:
[29:48] Yeah completely in up put the butter at some points. Yeah but I wrote you know yeah it's interesting I forgot to show you earlier and I forgot to tell you that earlier too but I looked up and went oh yeah the notes on my board yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[30:07] Biggs says what's his name James or Jacob you know the Book of James is written by the half brother of Jesus, James who for a time was the head of the church, when Peter proved to be too much of a wild card to to carry that title in any kind of respectable manner, they then gave the title to James and then when James was done with it and Paul took over the church and then Paul remained the leader of the church until he died despite the claims of the Roman Catholic church so. The Bible also says or alludes to I don't want to say point-blank says it alludes to Jesus having other brothers and sisters not just James so he may have had a brother named Jacob. It's a popular name of the time but I am specifically talking about James who wrote the book of. Who were going to read verses 1 through 13 of chapter 2 out of tonight so. I've been in my notes is rather so it's read James chapter 2 verses 1 to 13.

Pastor Newms:
[31:26] Yeah but if I completely blow your night away and you have to throw your notes away again like last week we won't get to it.

Pastor Bill:
[31:32] That's the beginning of my notes.

Pastor Newms:
[31:34] I can I can derail us real.

Pastor Bill:
[31:37] You're going to derail me right away.

Pastor Newms:
[31:39] I mean I could.

Pastor Bill:
[31:41] Guess you can try all right so as we were talking about Mercy.

[31:54] Yeah we're talking about Mercy so turn in your Bible,
to James chapter 2.

Pastor Newms:
[32:00] Now I have a question have you looked at.

Pastor Bill:
[32:02] Just the beginning of my notes And a derail me with your question if you can't find James no ill will towards you it's only five chapters. See humility he was like I'm just gonna do five chapters it'll be fine. No he wouldn't have said it that way because there were no chapters or verse numbers until hundreds of years after the Bible was collected. James is after Hebrews and before I Peter in the order that they're laid out in the New Testament as we've covered in the past it is not in Reverse alphabetical order or anything close to that. It's in the order that it was believed they were chronologically written and then later found out that that was erroneous so it's really just a random order that has no logical sense to it. 5 Biggs says on Twitch - all right.

[33:17] James chapter 2 were in read verses 1 through 13. My brothers and sisters do not show favoritism as you hold on to the faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ for someone comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and a poor person dressed in filthy clothes also comes in if you look with favor on the one wearing the fine clothes and say sit here in a good place, and yet you said to the poor person stand over there or sit here on the floor by my footstool, haven't you made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts, listen my dear brothers and sisters didn't God choose the poor in this world to be rich in faith and Heirs of the Kingdom that he has promised to those who love him yet you have Dishonored the poor.

[34:17] Don't the rich oppress you and drag you into court don't they blaspheme the good name that was invoked over you, indeed you fulfill the Royal law prescribed in the scripture love your neighbor as yourself I'm sorry if you fulfill the Royal law, describe the scripture love your neighbor as yourself you are doing well, if however you show favoritism you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors for whoever keeps the entire law, and yet some was at one point is guilty of breaking it all for he who said do not commit adultery also said do not murder so if you do not commit adultery but you murder you are a lot of break. Speak and act as those who are to be judged by the law of freedom for judgment is without Mercy to the one who has not shown Mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

[35:31] The big takeaway there was Mercy triumphs over judgment. And when you start reading that and you know that you're talking about emergency and you know that's where James is going it's hard to reconcile, what the heck is he talking about. Why is he talking about showing favoritism to one person over another in the church service and why is he talking about loving your neighbor as yourself and why is he talking about okay sorties what he's basically talking about it is instead of judging others and saying well you've got this sin and you've got this sin and you've got this sin and you've got this sin it's better and more preferable to choose Mercy over and love over correction. Right, so instead of being the judge over someone else choosing mercy and just free hugs.

Pastor Newms:
[36:58] Differentiating thought Mercy is pretty clear even as a you know even in this distinction between its Greek forms and it's English forms Mercy is one of those things where there's not a lot lost, in most, of the time it's translated Mercy there's not a lot lost its its you you have the ability to judge harshly and act upon it. But you choose not to. And it's so mean it's not it's Webster's Dictionary is still pretty like you know what I mean it's not it's not something that's changed it shouldn't be a hard concept for all of us to follow now some of us.

Pastor Bill:
[37:48] It's not a hard concept for us to understand some of us have a really hard time.

Pastor Newms:
[37:54] That's what I was about to say it shouldn't be hard to follow some of us is real hard. Very quickly decide whether someone is or isn't, what I would I can hear the dripping sarcasm in the two letters that Biggs just posted in twitch he just posted no.

Pastor Bill:
[38:34] No

Pastor Newms:
[38:45] Again so we're going to see how it translates it.

Pastor Bill:
[38:48] Hpuff says wonder where you get it from.

Pastor Newms:
[38:52] So we're not going there because that would not be a merciful conversation.

[39:00] I did but it definitely is something that a lot of people struggle with because it is hard to walk out it is not hard to, understand like Mercy his Mercy wow easy, it's not it shouldn't be a hard concept it's not a concept that there's deep theological discussions on what there are, amongst those of us that are like no it's real simple it's not real easy to do but it's a real simple concept you know we've talked we've talked before about. You know this ties back to your, Gandhi quote you know be a Christian not it's not hot, it's not a hard concept very hard to do, not a hard concept it's show mercy and yeah it is kind of funny that my girls two of my girls at least, of the too many that live here are in the living room and you can hear their laughter several seconds after something happens on stream sometimes and that is humorous because someone, who shall remain nameless hasn't built me a wall yet.

Pastor Bill:
[40:25] Oh I.

Pastor Newms:
[40:26] Which of course is a joke because I haven't paid for the wall yet so how would he.

Pastor Bill:
[40:32] Right, Okay so. Boom we're talking about judgment and mercy we are many people who are like okay but if I don't judge if I don't. If I don't look at their lives and go hey this is wrong you should change this then I am not doing my part, which we've talked about in the past you know it's not your job to judge it's God's job to judge, but you know you can't, you can't divorce mercy from judgment and not talk about both and so, Proverbs chapter 21 verse 2 says all the person's ways seemed right to him, but the Lord weighs hearts. Right so, when you doing something you making decision you go yeah yeah seems like the thing I want to do that's that's that's the that's the thing I want to do even when you know the consequences are going to be bad like drinking too much having a hangover doing drugs, the Hunger for More yada yada.

[41:59] It's in the moment it seems like you're going the right way right and so let's back up to Proverbs chapter 16, and in verse 2 is written almost the same thing. All the persons ways seem right to him but the Lord weighs motives okay, if you can't weigh a person's heart and motives then you're not worthy in that moment to judge them. You are worthy to love them. So your job is mercy. Mercy and love and let's just let's just bear down on this concept even further first Samuel chapter 16.

Pastor Newms:
[43:05] Is that you turning a page at a time.

Pastor Bill:
[43:08] No that's me flipping through to first Samuel I'm going to turn one page at a time two thousand Pages at it.

Pastor Newms:
[43:16] It was it was it was very soft and I was like is he turning one page like I get it that I just have to scroll and click but like.

Pastor Bill:
[43:28] HPuffPhoenix on Twitch asks so you mean like because you have no understanding of that person you have no right to? You're on the right track with what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that you're not capable you're not at the level of being able to judge that human being because you lack insight. It's not about a right it's about you being unworthy I'm unworthy to judge someone else, I'm worthy of loving them and having mercy. God is the worthy judge. God does appoint judges to judge over matters and you know opinions and blah blah blah and and The Church can be called upon and by Church I mean any collection of believers can be called upon to speak judgement into a person's life, per what was laid out in Matthew about you know confrontation and things like this but all right, so in first Samuel chapter 16.

Pastor Newms:
[44:45] Let's let's wait one second because and the reason I say this has nothing to do with what you're going at and everything to do with your camera is completely frozen so I'm afraid you're about to lose connectivity, potentially are you there.

Pastor Bill:
[45:03] Yeah I'm here I hear you.

Pastor Newms:
[45:05] You might check your phone cuz you were just you're like you're like this.

Pastor Bill:
[45:14] So my pictures Frozen but my.

Pastor Newms:
[45:18] Your your audio is coming through clear I just know that sometimes that's an inclination that when one starts to go the other sometimes does and so.

Pastor Bill:
[45:27] Which is weird because my phone is on AT&T cell service and my computer's on my home internet. Not even on the same service.

Pastor Newms:
[45:39] And you would think you would think that they would not go down in the same way and you would think the AT&T service would be better than your satellite internet but yet.

Pastor Bill:
[45:53] Actually it's not satellite it's laser dish.

Pastor Newms:
[45:56] Yeah whatever it's a.

Pastor Bill:
[45:58] So instead of instead of sending and receiving a beam this way it's sending and receiving a beam from two miles that way.

[46:10] So there's a dish on a water tower over there that's a hard line to the internet is where I'm getting my internet from, so despite my image being frozen we're going to we're going to move on because it seems to all be working other than that so when we get to 1st Samuel 16, Saul, King Saul has overstepped his authority and has usurped Samuels right to give an offering to the Lord because Saul got bored of waiting, and thought the sooner we do this the better, and so we're going to go ahead and do this and it wasn't Sauls job it wasn't Sauls duty it wasn't Sauls right to bypass the person the Lord had anointed, to do all of these things, and so Saul had fallen out of favor with God and God had decided it was time to anoint a new king so, God gives specific instructions to Samuel who

[47:22] understandably wants to keep this on the down low, because if Saul finds out that Samuels anointing a new king then Sauls going to want to kill Samuel and also whoever he's anointing as the new king because let's be honest, that's what Kings do the power goes to their hand that's just this is why we.

[47:46] Almost literally have no more monarchies. Functional monarchies forgive me England and Canada and everyone else that's pretending there's still a British Empire, um we're no longer functional monarchies so in in chapter 16 here the same you will, calls for.

[48:18] Okay okay Samuel calls for a sacrifice invites a bunch of people to the sacrifice. Amongst them are the sons of Jesse, now Jesse has multiple sons and what we're going to focus in on here. Is let's start. No certain verse 5 of chapter 16 we're going to read through verse, first Samuel 16 verses 5 through 7 in peace he replied I've come to sacrifice to the Lord consecrate yourselves and come with me to the sacrifice, Danny consecrated Jesse and his sons and invited them to the sacrifice when they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and he said certainly the Lord's anointed one is here before him now. You can't understand he said this because when God anointed Saul.

[49:27] So the people of Israel people are there and they're demanding a king to give us a king, and Samuels Consulting God you guys like you don't want a king, you know he's gonna take your money he's going to call it taxes he's gonna send your young men to war they're going to die, you're not going to like this he's going to get a big head you don't want a king and they're like give us a king give us a king and God's like okay Samuel look out in the crowd,
and Simon was like all right and there's one dude that standing there taller than everybody else says Head and Shoulders taller so you know everybody's else's head is right here at his shoulder. And okay there's your king that tall guy right there he's taller than all the rest. He's the new king so so so Eliab is historically this strapping tall well-built fast athletic smart, I mean he is the cream of the crop alpha male so when Samuel sees him he goes now I see why you sent me to the family of Jesse this has got to be the new king okay I get it now I get it now God likes tall strapping strong people.

[50:46] And so Samuel saw Eliab and said certainly the Lord's anointed one is here before him but the Lord said to Samuel do not look at his appearance or his stature because I have rejected him humans do not see what the Lord sees human see what is visible but the Lord sees the heart. So this thing of judging someone instead of having and what James talked about someone comes in, and they look opulent they look rich they look like they you know have influence they look like they've got the Benjamins and that's going to overflow to your ministry, and then someone comes in and rags and then they look hungry and they look, stressed out and they look like they're on crack or they look high, or God forbid they're dressed a little racier than you're used to seeing young ladies dressed when they come into church.

[52:05] It's not your purview to judge them by their outward appearance it is your job to have and show mercy and love them. This is mercy. This is what this is and I know we say oh yeah we understand it we understand it but deconstructing that understanding is the first step to then actually living it out so. We're going to sidebar here just right quick. Um Biggs is full of jokes tonight man he keeps talking my mind if freeze-frame stop motion now he's calling it voiceover, it's a voiceover over top of a frozen picture of message that's fine so we are we're going to sidebar not that sidebar different sidebar.

Pastor Newms:
[53:03] I mean I have a great video clip I can play.

Pastor Bill:
[53:06] No we're not playing that at any professional. Then you we're not doing that okay deconstruction there's a lot.

Pastor Newms:
[53:19] Yes there is.

Pastor Bill:
[53:20] A video that's out there of people deconstructing their faith. And I, Pastor Bill, of The Ekklesian House encourage you to deconstruct your faith. If your faith doesn't survive deconstruction you never truly believed. I know that sounds harsh but it's honest. You should deconstruct everything you've been taught. Go back to the Bible, find out what it teaches you, find out what your claimed religion believes and if you don't still have faith at the end then all this time you have been lying to yourself.

Pastor Newms:
[54:25] Yeah and it's definitely something that I recently saw something and it they were talking about deconstruction and how wrong it is in this and that and I was like, the problem comes into play where when you're deconstructing your faith if all you're left with is religion and not a relationship when you deconstruct, there's not going to be anything there because sadly the church overall not individual churches, The Church, has adopted a lot of beliefs that aren't really scriptural and so when you, um deconstruct the religion not the relationship not what Jesus actually taught you there is there's a you can easily end up standing there going. Wait that's not correct at all I.

Pastor Bill:
[55:36] And I would rather you have that moment now than at the end. Lord Lord I cast out demons in your name I fed the poor I visited the hungry if they fed the hungry I visit those in prison right I'd rather you have that moment now. Find out that you never truly believed.

Pastor Newms:
[56:04] Now one of the issues with deconstruction as a movement that's currently going on our there is a lot of people deconstructing, not biblically. They're deconstructing with someone on a one-on-one basis and they're not ever going back to scripture and looking at it they're just having conversations deconstructing. Then going oh wait I don't actually believe any of this, well do you not believe this because you were taught inaccuracies or do you not believe this because you don't believe this like there's a huge aspect and there's a lot of a lot of people that are going through that right now that are then walking away from the faith and saying well I never I never believed any of it, and you're like correct you didn't. But were you ever actually taught what Christianity is supposed to be because so many times. There's so much that as we get older or as we've moved forward in time you look back and you're like wait I've always held that belief.

[57:28] Where is it or I've always thought the Bible said that because I've been taught the Bible says that a thousand times but wait it's not and as Biggs knows. We experienced this in several churches where, we exited because one of them one of the churches because they didn't show mercy to some teenagers but, then when we started actually looking at the fact you're like wait this has, all this that was taught all this that was said especially in Biggs is Generation so much that they were told the Bible says like you know we all have we all know that the Bible says this phrases and like 50 to 90% of them are either misconstrued or don't exist, and you're like oh but I've always been taught that I've always been you know and so there's definitely is some, issues which is a lot of why you started you know looking at and I you started looking at.

[58:38] You don't like you mentioned the brand lifestyle and starting this ministry more which is to help look at it from a standpoint of what does it actually say not what our predetermined beliefs are on these topics because let's be honest is you know and I do when I was 19 I went through this, because I needed up at a ministry that was charismatic. When I had been taught that certain aspects of the charismatic movement are just sin. And it was a it was a dig in for a long time and look at it to see what the Bible actually says and to see what was actually there. Biggs brings up a good point about the Rapture because the church that he goes to, the pastor's very much not a pre-trib pastor he his belief is post, or and so because of that that is something that gets brought up at their Church quite often that's one of the things that he's saying because that's one of those that. That's one of those situations where you go well, because the Bible says a lot about it but doesn't say much at all, and so.

Pastor Bill:
[1:00:03] And nothing definitive on timeline.

Pastor Newms:
[1:00:06] Yeah exactly, we know it happens we know it's a thing, we know how it happens we know how quickly it'll happen we know lots of the steps and how it happens we have no idea when in the timeline it happens because the book that gives us the timeline isn't where it's really talked about.

Pastor Bill:
[1:00:33] I've seen lots of very convincing sermons given to support pre-trib,, post-trib and mid-trib.

Pastor Newms:
[1:00:43] And you know and that's one of those things that we've talked about in the past there are certain aspects of Christianity, certain beliefs that we hold that are in the category of what's your what's your favorite symbol how do you live your life. Your midget your emoji.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:05] I don't know.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:07] There are certain aspects of Christianity that's like huh does it really mer like we know the core the important parts we have to agree on outside of that bro I mean.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:22] The Swans in space principle that is used in science yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:28] So Biggs being mean, he's not just being mean to you today he just took a shot at Zaidi. last night we went to his church because The Katinas were performing,
Katinas are a band that you know we're popular 20 years ago and still are.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:45] They didn't seem to play very many songs though.

Pastor Newms:
[1:01:48] They didn't play very many of their songs they played all the worship they played all the and so it.

Pastor Bill:
[1:01:55] That's there's my confusion right there because all I could see was your face or Biggs's face.

Pastor Newms:
[1:02:02] Yeah and you could cause my camera can't see the screen very yeah they didn't play a lot of their hits, quote unquote so one of the things the Pastor said during it was you might have a fancy tractor but it's just for bush hogging. To which I get a text message that says from Zadie.

[1:02:28] What is bush hogging so of course because I'm mean, I leaned over to Dad I'm laughing because we're outside I'm laughing I turned the phone and he looks at it and he starts laughing and as you can see she's already defensively saying I didn't grow up in the country I didn't know what it was but she thought it was just some reference not like, an actual thing because here in Tennessee when I Googled bush hogging there was actually like bush hogging rates bush hogging discounts bush like it's not just like a, it's like that's on people's website like this is our cost to Bush Hog so Tina was like oh it's that and then for all those people out there that don't know what it is we're not going to tell you, you are now all like Zadie and have to go Google.

[1:03:34] They haven't Googled it they don't they don't care if they think we're joking and they think it's a meme they think we're going to Rick roll them and this is not a Rick Roll.

Pastor Bill:
[1:03:43] No no.

Pastor Newms:
[1:03:44] Bush hogging is a thing you just from up north or another country sorry.

Pastor Bill:
[1:03:49] All right it's that time I had two more scriptures but now they don't seem relevant anymore hmm.

Pastor Newms:
[1:04:06] Silence dude.

Pastor Bill:
[1:04:09] So that's what we have for this week.

Pastor Newms:
[1:04:11] To you too.

Pastor Bill:
[1:04:11] The audio version of this podcast comes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you listen to podcasts we finally last week got the transcription service working correctly so it takes me like an hour to do the format of the transcription instead of six hours in I'm only halfway through like it was taken before when we weren't doing transcriptions of our multi-voice podcast so that's, that'll be out on this Wednesday, and we really would like anyone to join us every Sunday night 6:30 p.m. you don't have to agree with us you don't have to agree with what we say, you really don't even have to be the same "religion" I hate that word we need a softer word you really don't have to be the same religion you just have to understand we have a topic, we're going to stick to that topic, and we want to keep it relatively clean, always respectful so please join us live you can participate on the on the chat if you do get abusive you will get banned and blocked and all of that bad stuff so.

Pastor Newms:
[1:05:29] Or if you just Spam me for no good reason because.

Pastor Bill:
[1:05:32] We're all right so come prepared to actually join the chat.

Pastor Newms:
[1:05:34] I don't have as much mercy as I should.

Pastor Bill:
[1:05:40] Well I have to draw a line there like if you are actively impeding someone else's ability to join in, then you have crossed the line and something needs to be done right look if you're streaking through the First Baptist Church in the middle of offering there's a problem.

[1:06:03] Yeah you shouldn't be streaking through a Baptist Church ever if you're a nudist go find a nudist colony.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:11] Okay.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:13] I'm not saying it's wrong to be naked I'm saying that's the wrong venue for you to be naked in.

[1:06:24] You say that you said that.
Has it been 30 seconds yet of course not that's not how time works there it is.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:37] 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer yep.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:42] All right I think that'll do it for tonight we love you guys.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:47] Seconds of dead air when I push the button so to show the pretty picture.

Pastor Bill:
[1:06:51] So the pretty picture and until next time.

Pastor Newms:
[1:06:55] Be safe please love you guys.

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