Pastor Bill:

[0:07] Hello and welcome to, season 3 episode 32 of the Berean Manifesto, this is the pre-show show. If you're listening to the podcast we realized that, five minutes of music at the beginning of the podcast, the greatest thing to do this is the five minutes at the beginning of the show where we're allowing people to show up, live before we get started so people can start filtering in on the live show so we decided we would do some audio, overtop of the music or underneath the music however that is we need to adjust the levels when we go back and listen to this and see if the audio picked up well or not, so the pre-show show did you see...

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01] I think the pre-show shows should be the question.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04] No

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06] The pre-show should be the question.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08] That takes away from the show show the warm-up of the show show.

 

[1:16] Did you see that prime minister Netanyahu is no longer the prime minister of Israel.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:27] And we have known each other for how many years?

 

Pastor Bill: 21 years

 

Pastor Newms: Do I watch the news? do I try to stay away from it because it is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:38] No, yes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:40] And only look up things that other people have talked about because it might interest me once I've heard it's about it would you like to rephrase your question.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:49] No yeah so Netanyahu has been the prime minister of Israel for like, I don't know as long as I can remember I don't even remember what the name of the last one was. So Biggs on Twitch says there's no video well,

they're technically is the countdown video or should be the countdown video, and we're doing audio over top of it I can pull up restream live and see, Biggs says no there's no video restream just shows a well restream shows that it's pushed in a video.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:41] Why isn't Twitch picking up the video.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:59] YouTube is showing there's a video yeah YouTube is showing there's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:05] Twitch showing a video.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:09] Roxanne's on YouTube says she sees video Biggs you might need to refresh it started.

 

[3:21] So it seems to be working hard in our technical difficulties but yeah so the pre-show show and I guess I should have left that countdown timer out well no it's not live.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:33] We're at 1 minute 37.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:35] Yeah so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:36] Before you can see our pretty faces.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:38] Yeah in a minute 37 less than that now will.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:42] I noticed.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:43] Our cameras I am wearing my Kang shirt my Star Trek Fleet Command Kang shirt, um it this is the Kang symbol that you know the Trident symbol thing it says Star Trek Fleet Command Kang and then underneath it in Klingon it says Shield or share.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:06] And you're no longer a member of Kang but that's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:08] No I'm no longer a member of Kang.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:10] And they've definitely gone a Direction.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:13] They definitely went a Direction in the game. The Star Trek game that we play so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:21] We got 45 seconds.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:23] 45 seconds no, we're not doing that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:27] This is what happens normally. Normally we're sitting here going to and I'm sure.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:33] Now we're just sitting here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:34] Normally I'm shoving food during down my face but I ate earlier because we were watching TV.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:40] I haven't had dinner yet my wife planned out this marinade thing and I put in some big potatoes earlier so I'm looking forward to eating at after the show tonight, okay that'll be exciting and fun so yeah I'll like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:04] Maybe four.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:06] Nah I like it, it's this Mesquite marinade.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:10] And then now we have four seconds.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:13] Hello and welcome officially to season 3 episode 32 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian, I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always by the ever awesome Pastor Newms who may not,

be with us next week he's got a family reunions type thing going on he's not sure if he'll have connection where he's going to be so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:41] Interesting we're going to see.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:43] If we have bad connection then we just won't have the show because I'm not just going to sit here and talk to myself for an hour, that is not how this would go so catching up on the chatter Roxanne is on YouTube we had some technical difficulties but we got that works out, and then Roxanne now says, I see weird people now that we've turned on the cameras she sees weird people and she's not wrong she's talking about, myself her husband and you we also have Zaidi on Twitch joining us we got Biggs and Roxanne. If you're listening to this on the podcast then we want to invite you to come join us on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, on YouTube, Facebook, or Twitch when we record this live and you can join the conversation in the chat. So how was your week this week Pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:49] It was good lots of work my mom needs prayer, she's had a little bit of a medical thing. It's not a big deal it's just painful so that's been interesting. So I did an insane thing, I did something I never thought I would do this week,

so my best friend who is kind of a jerk he.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:20] You mean Matt right?

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:25] No I'm not sorry for you but I'm talking about you so he made me start playing this Star Trek game and the Star Trek.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:39] That wasn't this week, that was a while back.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:41] I'm aware, the Star Trek game it's a game you know I like games so it works, the problem is not the game the problem is the storylines surrounding the game so.

 

[8:04] I can't remember if it was him or someone else sent me a Tick-Tock of this particular Star Trek moment from the show Discovery and I've never seen it. No real desire to. Biggs when I was little really tried his hardest to get me into Star Trek things and I just never been a big fan. Well myself and Billiam decided to start watching Discovery together and I hate to say - thoroughly enjoying it and we have been binge watched over the last like three days like 14 episodes of season one we only have one more episode of season 1 and then we're going to be moving into season 2 and so good it's kind of shocking, that I have been sitting and watching a Star Trek show because I've never really enjoyed it and this one is really really well written.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:20] And like we talked about it this show has a different formulaic flow than the way that Star Trek series have been written the past where in the past it was very episodic, present a problem solve a problem move to a new planet present a problem-solve a planet, er, problem move to a new planet you know and then, and so with Discovery it's not like that it's this overarching you know, big cinemas cinematic movie type feel where it's not present a problem solve a problem move on presenter problem solved problem with one so it's, it's good what are you making those choices for is it because Biggs on Twitch said he was on the wrong Channel.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:10] No it's and I agree with him it was on a different Channel it wasn't in on cable, and so it was harder to watch you had to actually subscribe to the CBS thing to watch it back in the day but it is on Hulu live I think.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:31] Just season 1 yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:33] And so I know that face was for a different reason and I don't want to talk about it we'll just say Anthony found me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:43] Oh okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:45] For the first time ever I didn't know that I was in Anthony's range but okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:50] Am I am I shielded I don't even know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:53] It wasn't the station it was.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:55] Okay he found your ship.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:58] Yeah they were floating so it's fair but yeah dadgummit that's the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:07] The one where they get pushed back in time?

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:12] We're not going to give any spoilers on a broadcast that goes out to the world.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:18] I mean can we just say yes or no.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:24] No because especially since I haven't gotten to the point where we've moved time.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:30] I mean the kind of move forward in time there a little bit, but nine months.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:36] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:40] They did they were like we're back but we overshot.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:41] Yep we can't we don't we don't want to see now you just give a spoiler.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:46] Yeah that's spoiler.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:48] Yeah that's why that's why we don't talk about it it's good.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:50] Okay okay fine you got me has a spoiler.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:56] It's good we can say that it is definitely not a normal Star Trek though, there is there is language there's some scenes there's there's it's there's a lot it's a lot more mainstream, I'll talk to you about it later Biggs but there's some Main.

 

[12:24] It's definitely more mainstream more today's Star Trek but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:34] Yeah so in my week you know we talked about the Star Trek game they dropped a new arc part two of the Next Generation Arc which has been fun.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:48] No it hasn't I'm still angry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:50] No Worf character yet, unfortunately. They released Picard and Wesley but no Worf however there is hope, we probably will be getting Worf and Riker in part 3 next month so in a little over a little over half a month away.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:13] And if not it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:17] If not they made a really interesting writing choice to phrase it the way they phrased it if we're not getting those two characters so yeah.

 

[13:33] I realized I need a new desk in my office this one I've been you know I've been using this desk for six years, in this bedroom I got this desk 6 years ago and I used it, to work on Teen Mania stuff when they went remote you know and they were they were, trying to save money and it's wholly everybody that was left work from home and, that's when I got this and the first podcast we released I recorded sitting at this desk, that was four years ago and I've got artwork etched into the top of the desk all over and it's it it's not stable it's about to fall apart, I basically have it sandwiched between a filing cabinet and a wall at this point to keep it standing and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:29] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:31] So we've got a new desk for my office space actually two to make a L shape so I have enough space to, you know desk space but that's fun that's exciting that's happening this week this upcoming week that should come in on Wednesday so I'm happy about that, that should be awesome and then this thing got a little messed up when I redid the flooring, a couple weeks ago so I'm going to pull that down and reattach it to where it where it won't be all like this, I don't know if you can see that so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:10] Thinkin it's just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:14] So there's that so now it's time for the segment that Newms loves to hate to love, and it is Get To Know The Pastors.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:25] And if the question is similar again I'm going to have Gerg come burn the deck.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:33] Good thing I have another deck, it's different questions, but I have another deck. All right here we go, the question is.

 

[15:45] Which living person do you most admire.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:51] Okay see I'm serious shuffle the deck right now in front of us take the bottom for cards and shuffle the deck, because whatever Voodoo you did the last time was not shuffling. Now cut it in half and flip it.

 

[16:44] One more time.

 

[16:52] I meant shuffle it again, but that works all right there's the four.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:54] There's the four on the bottom.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:58] On the bottom pick a new card for the week.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:01] Which person do you most admire living person alright you ready new card.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:05] Sounds great new card.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:09] What's your guilty pleasure.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:10] My guilty pleasure that sounds great my guilty pleasure is is something we've talked about in the past I love to read, I read all kinds of different types of novels all different types of all different all different things love to read, but my guilty pleasure, is YA novels specifically vampire aesthetic why novels I have almost one of, are YA because it is what it is now I'm going to go ahead and answer for Billiam. Billiams guilty pleasure is Dr Pepper.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:16] I was just getting ready to hold it up to the camera and be like dr. pepper.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:18] I know, I know we actually had this discussion earlier this week that you're guilty pleasure was. Sorry to ruin your question but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:30] Ruined that question now I've been to the Dr. Pepper museum I've I love it I love Dr Pepper so much it's so good it is definitely my guilty pleasure my drink of choice it's fantastic, no that's not why I have no teeth in fact I don't have any teeth because I was drinking, lots and lots and lots of energy drinks when I was driving for Uber and Lyft and literally rotted my teeth out of my mouth, who knew three energy drinks a day 3-16 ounce energy drinks a day to keep from dying while driving was going to rot holes in all of my teeth? Not me, I didn't know it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:11] Possibly where it says do not consume more than two per day on it but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:18] I just assumed that I was like a weight thing like, like the bottles of Ibuprofen and say don't take more than six in it whatever okay I'm up I'm a 350-pound man I need more than the normal dose or it's just not even going to affect me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:34] Yeah but actually, yes but actually the reason for the Ibuprofen is it can cause issues in your digestive system and with your liver if you have more than 6, not it's actually not a dosage weight thing it's actually has a medical reason.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:53] Biggs asks if I've ever had Dr Pepper hot well let me tell you, I like to drink my dr. pepper at room temperature whenever someone brings me one cold I thank them for loving me and showing that they love me and I let it sit there, and warm up to room temperature but hot? No. Now one of my guilty pleasure movies Blast From The Past, a drink it they look like they poured into a pot on a oven and heat it up and pour it into coffee cups and drink it like it's hot chocolate and then I just wigs me out I can't even imagine, drinking it that way.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:31] That is that is special.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:39] Do you have a guilty pleasure movie? Your go to that you know you're like when you see it when you're flipping through something and you see it and you're like oh I gotta turn this on it was a great movie.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:49] Well one there is no flipping through anything anymore because I don't have any form of television.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:54] Scrolling through.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:56] Well I would I would opt to say it's it's the the poster behind me the only movie poster that I have in my office but,

 

Pastor Bill: Boondock Saints?

 

Pastor Newms: I there's a couple go to I can sit here and watch this right now movie but, none of them I feel guilty about, so oh yes yes there is there is a movie that is a guilty pleasure, and I'm not going to say what it is I'm just going to say that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:01] I don't know what your referencing, sorry also Chasing Amy whenever Chasing Amy is on, I gotta watch Chasing Amy. Yeah almost anything in the View Askew Universe catches my attention. Mean Girls?

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:21] Fronted me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:22] Yes you did, that's funny.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:25] So I have a thing where as everyone who knows me knows I'm a little weird when it comes to things. Things have to be done a certain way, things have to be done a certain order, and we missed last year and I actually got in trouble from my 11 year old because she was like it's October 3rd and I know it's October 3rd and we didn't watch the movie you're like oh November, fourth we watch V is for Vendetta St Patrick's Day you watch, Boondock Saints I have a like those.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:16] Calendar of films.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:17] Yeah there are certain times of the year that things have to be watch a fifth of November sorry my bad that my yeah, she's yelling at me over twitch that it's V that's one of her favorite movies.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:37] The event where we got the name Guy and why we call each other Guys what's up Guys.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:44] Yep and yeah so it's it's definitely, I like movies.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:58] Fun all right so I think we're sufficiently warmed up

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:05] I think so we're about five minutes past our normal warm up time.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:09] That's fine, so I saw Tik-Tok, and this is we're on we're on track and so I take that and it was it was a joke and it was this guy and he was he was calling himself the Bible lawyer or something on those lines, and this guy was like I messed up I need representation I took the lord's name in vain, and the Bible lawyer was like what what did you say what did you say and he said GD you know the curse, the swearword GD, and the Bible lawyer goes wait,

you didn't take the lord's name in vain I think it goes what what do you mean and they got and the Bible lawyer goes well God is his title not his name,

see didn't take the lord's name in vain, you took His title in vain but not the lord's name in vain. Why do you think in the in the Ten Commandments it says have no other gods before me? It's not like they're all named God that's the title not a name and so it's kind of funny, but it's right there in that conversation that we're having.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:29] Well and in real quick as a side note for what you just said it is not proper to ask someone in a polytheistic, religion which one when they say that to you it's not appropriate they get a little tissy.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:48] But if they're polytheistic wouldn't it be okay to ask which one?

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:51] It definitely stops them in their tracks and they're not sure how to answer.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:00] Because they didn't mean it that way.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:01] Yeah and it's really really funny and then we got into a theological discussion on why his choice in his was wrong, um and then I corrected him and he said good point and but he still thinks he was right so it's fine though he was wrong, yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:24] So what we're talking about tonight is not taking the lord's name in vain this is one of The Commandments and I say one of The Commandments because you can't say, Third Commandment second commandment fourth Commandment because different groups of Christianity have them numbered differently like in Catholicism it is not the same, number commandment as it is in protestant so the first mention, written of these Commandments is in Exodus 20 verse 7, and it says in the two he says what Biggs says what on Twitch.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:14] What what.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:24] Okay we are in Exodus 20 verse 7. Catholic? Oh he's asking about I'd have to look it up but yeah it's just they count them different numbers, it says do not misuse the name of the Lord your God because the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished anyone who misuses his name, now the King James says, in Exodus 20 verse 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain for the Lord will not hold him Guiltless that taketh his name in vain, and then we again we get this commandment in Deuteronomy five, 11 Deuteronomy 5, got change my King James over there too okay Deuteronomy 5:11 in the CSB, Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God because the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses his name so it's the exact same exact text, in Exodus and Deuteronomy in the CSB 5:11 I went to chapter 11 instead of chapter 5.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:48] I have it up if you want me to read it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:50] Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain for the Lord will not hold him Guiltless that taketh his name in vain. So both places it says the exact same thing but what is it talking about.

 

[29:07] What's it talking about Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[29:09] Well so.

 

[29:15] There's a couple thought processes that people have of taking the lord's name in vain, so there is the thought process of taking the lord's name in vain is like you mentioned using the title because people are like well that's just God's name is God, some people believe that, I personally do not I don't like it not because of the G but because of the D because it is, a curse of sorts you know you're cursing something you're asking the title who is a person to you, to curse something and I don't agree with that except every now and then when.

 

[30:17] I pray the prayer of David prayer I feel the person needs it anyway beside the point the other way of using it is you know swearing an oath I swear, usually that's implied to God that blah blah blah blah blah and then the other is, using God's name to do things that we should that should not be done in God's name.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:50] Okay let's pause and let's speak to your two points your two things they're swearing an oath.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:57] Which ones.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:00] And doing things in God's name it shouldn't be done okay so the first we're going to go to Matthew chapter 5.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:07] Uh-huh.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:13] And if you saw the art bump earlier than you should have known we were going to go to Matthew Chapter 5 at some point all right.

 

[31:22] When we get to verse 33 this is Jesus teaching by the way this is all in  The Sermon on the Mount this is basically the longest, sermon that's ever been given in the history of mankind, you think your pastors long-winded at your church I'm sorry he's not. The Sermon on the Mount was crazy, there's they theorize, that  they didn't even actually record everything he taught on The Sermon on the Mount because it was just too much they just hit the highlights and even the highlights is like three chapters long.

 

[32:02] So when we get to verse 33 Jesus says, again you have heard once again that's Matthew Chapter 5 starting in verse 33 again you have heard that it was said to our ancestors you must not break your oath but you must keep your Oaths to the Lord, but I tell you don't take an oath at all, either by Heaven because it is God's Throne or by Earth because it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem because it is the city of the great king, do not swear by your head because you cannot make a single hair white or black let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything more than this is from the evil one. Okay so.

 

[32:52] ETF, and you've already... did you take care of this troll on Twitch?

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:57] No I have had my Bible open.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:02] All right if swearing an oath on anything in Earth or Heaven comes from evil, is of the evil one then wouldn't.

 

[33:25] I solemnly swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help... wouldn't that be breaking this commandment?

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:31] So-so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:36] Wouldn't swearing into office, where'd uphold the Constitution of the United States with your hand on a Bible you swearing on the Bible wouldn't this be breaking this commandment.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:46] So well not technically.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:51] I can't I can't after doing this study this week I'm never going to be able to swear an oath any ever they're going to subpoena me for something to give a testimony that you were like do you solemnly swear. I want to say no I can't under religious, for religious reasons I can't violate the teachings of Jesus.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:10] Yeah no, I agree we should not do so but there is a thought process behind it that people are inaccurate the thought of you don't actually have to use the Bible. First off when you're swearing an oath you can use anything.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:33] Yeah but it says swear on anything do not swear on endurance and you're not taking oath on anything.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:39] Oh I know I know I'm not arguing the scripture, I'm arguing your point the fact that you don't actually in any of those situations have to swear on a Bible lots of people do because we are a Christian Nation.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:55] In the in the story Fried Green Tomatoes the priest swears on a copy of Moby Dick before he gives his testimony so that he can lie in the courtroom.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:12] But no an oath should not be taken it should be yes and yes and should be knowing know but it does get complicated when.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:30] And once again we're not talking sin we really because Jesus teachings don't have anything to do with the big bad S big bad Sin. Jesus teachings have to do with if you want to live a life that is following me if you want to be Christ-like do these things.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:50] Yeah and it does cause an issue when you have the structure of the government set up to where you have to swear an oath.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:01] Right or you can't serve where you can't testify or you can't.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:06] And we're supposed to Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's so on a certain stance you know we should be following.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:13] But I don't but that's that doesn't apply because I don't belong to Caesar.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:18] No but you're supposed to follow the rules of the nation and the authority put ahead of you as well.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:26] Right but you can refuse you keep getting refused to swear.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:31] But I don't think you can legally serve if you do.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:38] No you can't which I don't, personally I'm not saying this is the official position of The Ekklesian House or The Berean Manifesto this is my own personal as a human being point of view I don't believe that Christians should be serving in political office, and involving themselves in that at all. I believe that's the secular government and Christian should be, focused on the church and Christian things mainly because of the teachings of Paul, don't submit yourself to a secular judge, don't submit yourself to a secular court, don't submit yourself to you know to these rules of the secular world, over and over and over he says that. So for me personally, from the teachings of Paul I don't believe I should be involved in that kind of thing anyway, so that's that's my personal viewpoint.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:41] And I can understand your position, disagree, but I understand your position.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:47] And you're welcome to disagree because we have hard Theology and we have soft Theology and this is definitely a soft.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:54] Most of yours is soft.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:57] Mmm wow.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:59] Wow that was harsh right was very salty it was very salty because we're supposed to be the salt of the earth yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:03] Harsh I mean like I can taste I can tell.

 

Pastor Newms:

[38:10] So we visited a church today.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:12] We're supposed to be the salt of the earth but Lot's wife took it a little too far.

 

Pastor Newms:

[38:18] So we went to we went to visit a church today and he was preaching about the salt of the earth and it was really funny because every time he said and he was probably in his 30s so he's probably about our age was a visiting pastor, he sit like you'd see the look on his face is like you know we're called to be salt we have you know and and sometimes our salt needs to be saltier and and you saw like certain times when he would use, salty or salty or salt you just see that and at one point he finally goes, I'm sorry I'm really struggling with just the word salt because of all the salty people and it was just it was one of those moments where you're just like, it's true like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:07] (Sung to the tune of Eleanor Rigby by The Beatles) All the salty people where did they all come from.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:14] But anyway yes continue.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:17] I don't know what we were talking about.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:19] We were talking about your personal beliefs about the government we should fact we should never swear on anything so like it's really funny because I've taught my children not to, I swear because you know I swear to goodness I'm gonna you know you shouldn't do that.

 

[39:39] I've actually got I've actually said I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:41] Wham boom straight to the Moon.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:44] I've actually like independent like I swear to everything that I do not even like I'm going to it and I know it makes no sense but to the point where, I'll say I could have swore that such and such because the word have two different meanings, and my daughter be like you're not supposed to swear though.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:12] Yeah I could have sworn means I was so I was so sure it was this way that I could have given testimony under perjury of law, that this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:27] But it's funny that you bring that up because even she's like we're not supposed to swear and I never really went there, but it is true and that is a problem when you combine the secular with the religious it's situations like that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:48] It absolutely is all right so that's your you know my response to that first point you brought up the second point you brought up was not, say you're going to do something in the name of the Lord that shouldn't be done in the name of the Lord.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:10] Like the Crusades.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:12] Like the crusades, but I have a very I have a specific biblical example and people like to trot this out and go well Jesus believes in human sacrifice, or God believes in human sacrifice that, all right so there's this guy in Judges, and I didn't look up the story because we're not going to read it from the thing it's a very sad story but I'm gonna you know we're going to cover the brief and then you'll know enough you can go look it up and read it if you want this is guy and there's a war going on and he's going out to war and he swears to the Lord, that is while he's out there he wins a victory, then when he returns the first person that comes out of his home, he will burn in a sacrifice to the Lord.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:02] The first thing.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:06] Different translations translated a different way but person thing either way, and when he gets home his daughter is the first thing person whatever to come out of the house and he follows through. First off, under Jewish law he shouldn't have done that because you're not supposed to you know he definitely broke this commandment there's like there's no two ways about it he broke this commandment.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:37] Yeah he broke it in two ways.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:41] And then he fulfilled it now it's such a weird situation because if you make an oath to the Lord and then you don't follow through we read There was consequence right Exodus 20.

 

[43:06] Verse seven the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses his name so he missed use the name so now he's got a choice to make, do I follow through and burn my daughter to death or do I go back on what I said,

and I get punished and if you've ever read through Judges, it is just one example after another example after another example why the people of Israel were screwed up, and needed leadership that's what the books of Judges are for to show that is a people needed good leadership and were completely screwed up, so when you hear the story about well God believes in human sacrifice because this guy swore to the Lord he'd smh his daughter and then he did,

that's that's been taken way out of context that's not the context of the story at all that's just the events of the story, the context is a cautionary Tale. It's a don't do this thing, that's wrong.

 

[44:32] So the lord's name in vain people say it's swearing a certain type of swear, or you'll say Jesus when something happened use the name Jesus as an expletive you know, all right so Twitch has a question she wants to clarify Twitch - Zaidi has a question she's like to clarify on Twitch says okay so like with let your yes be yes and your no be no

 

[45:05] Is it also mean that when you tell someone maybe you'll make it or I'll have to see, saying something like I don't know you're in the wrong. Well do you you you and it did you intend to deceive, did you lie did you intend to deceive them? Were you saying I'll have to see because you literally have to go check and make sure see if you can make it or were you actually blowing them off, if you were actually blowing them off then yeah you're in the wrong you lied you intended to deceive them, that's actually pretty clear-cut but if you actually had to check the details that's completely different what I tell my kids you know I don't want to let him my kids my kids will ask me things like tomorrow can we, XYZ and I'll look back and I'll say I don't know maybe.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:05] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:06] What do you mean? I don't know what's going to happen between now and then I don't know what's gonna happen then I can't predict the future, I would like to do XYZ that would be great but I don't know let's see what happens I've you know fully intending I fully intend we're going to do this thing but I can't guarantee it I'm not the ruler of the Universe, I don't control what happens so I don't know, so there you go it's the intent did you intend to this was your intent to deceive.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:44] And often I'll try to pull the probably not but maybe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:49] Yes you say that often.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:53] It's like probably not but maybe which is is probably not like there's but you might, because I don't know the future I might be wrong in my know and I don't want to even give that and it is real it gets real bad in the workplace because I'm very much, cognizant of lying in the workplace and Billiam is heard me in meetings, often I'll be like well.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:27] Let's clarify if there's any any phone calls that happened in your office that are Hippa related in any way shape or form I'm not allowed to be there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:40] No we've been in meetings together like even our meetings was it talking about my work okay I see what you mean.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:47] But I don't want anybody to misconstrue that works with you or works around you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:53] No I don't deal with HIPAA patient stuff anyway so we're fine normally.

 

[48:04] So it's definitely, yeah you definitely I will always it work people be like well can I get this next week I'll have to take that back to the team is now, do are they going to get it next week no, nine times out of ten but every now and then I go hey team what's this look like they're like 10 minutes we can do it today oh, all right cool do it take you but, I hate I try really hard to not because I've been burned so many times by sales people and other people saying oh yeah our system does that oh yeah our this does that or oh yeah that car comes with that and then you get it and you're like no it doesn't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:00] Mmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:02] Anywho.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:05] So she follows up on Twitch that she was always taught that you have to always give a yes or no answer and be sure of your decision on the spot like right then and there and then mean it and not change your mind,

which she said frustrated her as a kid which yeah that's frustrating and and not very logical, for anyone to hold someone to especially not a child, you can say I don't know you can say I need more information you can say we'll have to see what happens I mean, as long as you know you're not lying, basically the let your yes be yes and your no be no by that Jesus is saying if you commit then commit and if you don't if you say you're not going to do something then don't do it, he's not implying that you have to commit right then and there he's saying when you do commit-commit, yes I will do that, no I will not do that yes I did do that no I did not do that.

 

[50:20] I might not be here tomorrow they just gives this example on Twitch at first I was like what do you mean you might not be here tomorrow or not doing this tomorrow but yeah that's a good example I might not be here tomorrow that's it you know, that's true now in the in the early church, they wouldn't even say things like, I'll see you tomorrow or next week we're going to harvest that grain things like that, they went so far as to say if the Lord tarries then tomorrow I will see you, so as not to basically give an oath on something that they couldn't control, because it was it was present you know an ever-present thing in their mind you know like my yes be yes and my no be no they wouldn't commit to doing something tomorrow because what if the Lord comes back, well then so they would say if the Lord tarries.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:32] Yeah and that continued for a very very long time and I know people who still do it, I prefer the the I'll see you next time, the side-eye that that's that's I've said that a couple times you know, see you next time looks like you hit by a bus and you know it's like what, do you plan on getting hit by a bus no I just don't want to lie to you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:05] I mean you can just say see you later because whether it's here or there in here or in the judgment is a good chance we're going to see each other again.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:15] But see there's therein lies the problem good.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:20] What's the problem there yeah yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:27] That's the that that that that one word doesn't regulate with people who are legalistic sorry.

 

[52:38] Yeah I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:38] So maybe a babe maybe I'll see you later.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:41] Zadie said I actually did have to stop saying things like that because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:46] Because your make it the girls cry.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:48] I made my daughter's cry on a couple of cases.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:50] You monster.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:51] They be like my dad see you when you get home from work unless I die and they're like wait what what no and I'm like oh yeah that doesn't work with children.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:01] Oh man.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:03] I've always been a little morbid sorry like that's just happens.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:10] That's so funny alright so did you have anything else you wanted to, did you have any more points you wanted to make in this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:23] No I mean I'm those are the main ones is that there's multiple ways you can take the lord's name in vain and I think another one that you know is definitely the not just the, don't say you're doing something because of God when it's not because of God.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:43] Mmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:44] That one that one that one irritates me a lot.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:49] Another example of breaking this commandment is is claiming God did something He didn't do.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:59] Now there are times that one gets a little fuzzier, but use.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:11] For just not claim God did it.

 

[54:22] Wait you're not accidentally breaking this command.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:24] I just like the God told me to belong and you're like that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:34] I always say I feel like God told me to.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:43] And but my the funny one is when it's completely off base and you're like God would, God's not going to break his own Commandments God's not going to no don't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:55] Cure that was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:56] Don't I thought the same example we're not going to go there but it was crazy God told me to shoot that man no he did not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:05] To shoot that man no sir no.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:09] Anyway.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:10] You you do not know the voice of your Shepherd this is definitely not your Shepherd.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:16] But I mean, yeah I struggle with things like that of you know and we have we have atrocities, in the pack in the past that, were attributed to God that sadly he had nothing to do with and has time and time again,

made Christianity look so much worse when individuals or organizations, have have gone that route you know God told me to make this Kool-Aid and have everyone drink it but huh you know I mean, and as I mentioned earlier like the Crusades God told us to take back Jerusalem and destroy, everyone in Kill and murder everybody and you're like, or did you just really really want to go to war because you were upset like you know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:31] They offended God and we have to protect him now God doesn't need you to defend him if he did he wouldn't be God.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:40] And I agree like like Roxanne saying what you said in the you know don't attribute things to God that he had nothing to do with.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:52] Yeah on YouTube she says she just likes it when people say God saved me from this or that and and they say it every day about something God saved me from a vicious squirrel attack, I okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:11] Cuz the prop the biggest problem I have and it belittles what God actually does do for us every day, you know there's God God takes care of us God has plans God has this God has so those are important, you know got got God saved me from tripping and falling on a loose board, Maybe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:42] What maybe you should go back and read Psalms.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:46] But.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:46] Um does that that's it that's an angel deal that's not a god deal but you know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:52] Well and see that's why that's why I do have a little bit of an issue with with it is because you could argue God sent the angel to protection at some point God created them so because of that God did it, but that's still not God doesn't keep the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:10] That's akin to thank you for inventing Dr. Pepper, God.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:17] Well that when he might have actually done that might be divine inspiration have you tasted it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:23] It's Ambrosia man, straight up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:25] I mean there are but to be fair there are times where God has given us, given divine inspiration people have thought of things that they never would have and they're like I don't know where it came from I was sitting around one day and the problem the the answer to the problem just fell into my lap when I was sitting there.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:45] Dropped right into my brain.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:46] And you're like okay that one that one might have been like, so there are times we're not we're not saying God doesn't save people in or or you know different things we're just saying don't attribute, things that are you know,

that God didn't have any God caused that earthquake no no.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:15] Unless God himself came down and told you he was gonna make the earthquake or took credit for it afterwards stop saying that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:27] But God.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:28] That's ridiculous.

 

[59:34] Keep that to yourself.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:35] But.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:41] That should be a deathbed confession kind of thing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:44] The aspect that we whoo.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:48] Bellows 80, it's quiet as a reading was Zadie the book she wrote on Twitch.

 

[1:00:16] Because weather patterns to make it easy because they T6 you know there was an instance with rain on the highway and and she prayed and and then that we would need rain and the rain came down really hard and then she's like not in me right now I'll driving 70 miles an hour down the road and the rain let up, um that just that sounds like a coincidence to me changing weather and weather patterns is, that's a that's a wide-reaching effect you know so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:51] Oh she's actually attributing it to someone saying that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:00:58] What do you mean.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:59] She said she knows she just thought it was funny because it was like you know she was basically joking with God of whoa not right now not right now knowing that it wasn't just because she, she's not trying to actually say that God started and stopped the rain that moment it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:20] Okay okay but for the record.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:27] I read it the same way I was like I know some I know some people who have played with the rain they think and typically causes some, other issues when you start dealing with I'm asleep.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:49] Yeah so it's a lot easier to tell when someone's telling a joke when tonight next when you're, talking inflection body language so it's real right over my head that this was a funny scenario not a so the other day, nothing right so is everything else.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:02:16] No just don't don't blame or cast or use in any way when it's not, just don't just don't do it it's not hard just don't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:02:31] Don't be flippant, don't be flippant about it and don't be delusions of grandeur about it either stay somewhere in the middle respectful and you'll probably do all right that's that's my takeaway, yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:02:50] And hopefully I'll be here next week and closing.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:02:53] Hopefully hopefully will be here next week because if you can't connect and then I'm not just going to sit here and talk at my camera for an hour.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:02] Well I could I just don't know if I can host that's the problem, we will know beforehand.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:14] Right we'll do we run tests earlier in the day and make sure that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:18] Oh no we'll know. We'll know on like Thursday night.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:23] When you when you get there get into town.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:24] Yeah because if I have if the connections good the connections good connections bad the connections oh bad, I know he is I know he is I know he is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:42] Okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:43] No he is I know he is so it's fine.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:46] Biggs says that'll be up to God and I'm just like that wasn't it then our wasted just the whole hour was just.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:00] Oh yeah I don't even know if I'll be back we're going to Dollywood on Sunday.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:06] What is Dollywood anyway I've heard that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:08] So Dolly Parton is is Dolly Parton and she is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:14] I know who Dolly Parton is.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:16] She's awesome, it's one of those things I think I told the joke before that someone on Twitch said you know who's one person that if you don't like it it's a red flag and it's like Dolly Parton, who doesn't love Dolly but like if you don't like Dolly Parton there's something wrong with you like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:36] So the movie 9 to 5 Dolly Parton.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:41] Based on the song.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:42] When that came out and I asked the movie theater if I could have the movie poster and they gave it to me and I hung it on the wall and then my mama came home with marker and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:56] Your sweet mother yeah yeah sure.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:00] Raise the neckline of her dress and I was like okay that's cool I only wanted it because I like the movie doesn't matter to me I was too young I wasn't.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:10] Yeah you didn't you didn't get.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:11] That mode you anyway but it's just funny thinking back you know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:16] So Dollywood is basically an amusement park it's got roller coasters but it really centralizes around music and shows so, it's it's like Six Flags if there was more shows and dinner theaters and and fewer rides.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:39] So Disneyland.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:42] Smaller.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:46] It was basically just Six Flags with less rides and more shows that was my takeaway.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:53] Never been can't speak to it but never been to Dollywood either there used to be a place.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:00] Was it Disney World which ones in California World or Land and then I went to Disneyland.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:07] So part of it is there used to be a place called Opryland and it was centered around the Opry which is of course it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:18] The Grande Ole Opry.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:22] A Grand Ole Opry and it was the same thing there were lots of shows there was lots of so we lost Opryland because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:32] Did it sink into a  bog or something?

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:34] No Corporate America actually.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:37] Didn't actually lose it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:40] It got turned into a mall.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:44] A mall.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:45] A mall yeah, same size takes as long to walk around no rides now and it's, expensive anyway I'll take you when you come in it's a nice place it's exactly like it's a Mills if that helps, so it's the Mills Corporation, so there's a there's a hotel there at the Gaylord hotel and then they bought that and destroyed it after the gate they built the Gaylord out here which are Gaylord was before your Gaylord actually but that's beside the point, so you know it's this whole thing yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:32] Oh yes be safe up there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:37] I say that part, no.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:39] Don't take any wooden nickels the podcast comes out every Wednesday at 7 p.m. anywhere that you listen to podcasts and there will be a transcription, if everything works out well with the transcription that a fan for the dirtiest encryption, and then Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. we're usually live and we love to join us when we are live so if you check out, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube to your weasel playing because that we broadcast live and we'd like you to join us.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:15] So to recap in case that didn't come across in case it sounds as bad as it sounded for me we love you guys stay safe and join us at 6:30 Central Standard Time on Sunday nights on any of the, platforms that we are scribe to our website is www.ekk.house go take a look and it has all of that information on there as well in case because there was some distortion when you were talking Bill.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:40] Storage it was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:42] There's there's still some.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:43] Why are you restating what I say.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:46] There is some distortion.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:48] Can you hear me as we wrap up the broadcast we have to give a 30 second buffer, second buffer 30 second buffer 30.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:59] 30 second buffer no.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:01] Is it in 30 seconds yet no that's not what I'm work 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer my love you guys, until next time.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:09:12] Be safe everybody unless he gets hit by a bus.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:17] Bye.

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