S3EP38 - Ephesians 4:14

Pastor Bill:

[0:13] Yay and actually there is actually a visible difference in Discord because of the bot, that happens when you actually go live because the restream bot wakes up, and so I can see the difference in Discord having the church Discord open I can see when it actually goes live, which is kind of cool you know like if I ever pull up Discord and it's like restream bot active I can be like whoa wait a second. Why what is the restream bot doing?

 

Pastor Newms:

[0:51] Why is it deciding when we're offline.

 

Pastor Bill:

[0:57] Why when were off line does it say the Restream bots like I'm hard at work for you boss. I don't understand that, yeah what is that face you're making.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:11] Mmm.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:14] It's like you smelt a fart or.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:15] I don't think I don't think the restream bot sounds like that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:21] Oh why not.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:22] I don't know I just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:25] My wife is always getting onto me for Miss categorizing her voice when I'm using stories about her. Probably the same thing I mean she's like I don't sound like that and I'm like I know you don't sound like that if you did something like that it wouldn't be as entertaining.

 

[1:47] And when I went to retell the story wouldn't have as much entertainment value because Id be using your voice I wouldn't be using this animated voice that's clearly not how you talk.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:59] Into the majority of the people that you talk to they know how she actually.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:05] I don't know anybody that she doesn't know oh I know Groggy. No, I know a lot of people she doesn't but mainly because she won't play the Star Trek game.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:15] We are still in the 5-minute.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:26] I know we're still in the opening like 3 minutes in.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:31] Two minutes 30.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:33] Whole I can tell time.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:37] Well you saw the the bot wake up before the countdown started because I leave it on the opening screen for a few.

 

[2:47] There's like the few first seconds of just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:51] And then also you know I kind of I looked at my clock on my phone my laptop and was like it's 6:33 so clearly we've been live for three minutes.

 

[3:06] Biggs is here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:09] There he is. Um because because I had I had just moved something that's sitting on top of over for a second and so I didn't see it because I was checking the time that's behind.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:26] Mmm you think with all your multiple screens you wouldn't have to have Windows layered over top of Windows layer over top of windows.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:34] This computer only has two screens my work laptop has three. That doesn't really help because no one can see what I'm saying on either one because it's the countdown and our voices are slightly muffled by music.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:09] Not really when you go back and listen to it the music is down low enough that the voices come through nice and clear.

 

[4:21] You know like that.

 

[4:27] It's loud enough that when we don't talk you can hear the music stare but it's low enough that when we do talk they're not like fighting each other which is good so tonight we've got, Mr. Groggy is with us and also goes by the best 1317.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:44] Who's actually sitting in the living room 30 seconds we had a big storm here last night.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:51] That's where I heard we're having strong right now well that's what I heard from you so. Better get ready to push the buttons do the magic chick that chick out all your shakiness.

 

[5:16] Hello and welcome everyone who can see our faces now, this is season 3 episode 38 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always by, Pastor Newms from Tennessee.  Maybe not as always, there's been times in the past where we did this a little differently and it was just me but in our new format it is me and Pastor Newms, here almost every Sunday night last Sunday night we can get together because, I was and I know you guys have never actually seen, my office like you've if you're watching the video then you've seen you know what you can see here but my bed is literally right there like I can touch out and reach out and touch my bed I could grab my pillow Sunday night I was there, I've been fighting off some kind of sickness all week long and even yesterday, my fever came back I had chills and my skin was aching and it was the worst day of the sickness so far and then I woke up this morning and I was like, what just happened how come I feel okay.

 

[6:35] That's so weird I thought we were like going in the wrong direction getting worse and then I wake up this morning and I'm like hey I guess I get to go live tonight, which is good because we have a family short getaway planned for starting tomorrow it's a four hour drive to an Airbnb that we rented here in Texas, by a lake just kind of get away with the family for a few days before before Gerg, starts public school for the first time is going into the ninth grade, which we had all kinds of problems trying to get him registered, he was missing one of the immunizations that they required, we had trouble proving that we actually live in the school district, ended up having to get an affidavit from an affidavit notarized from my mother whose name is on the electricity. Because that's literally the only Bill that we have here is the electric bill, and it's only in her name because well the electricity was already in her name when we moved in and we never changed it to our name because why mess with something that's already set up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:58] And the lands and her name and the house is technically in her name that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:03] We just live here right and we pay the bills and we've lived here for.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:10] Years just say years don't try to do the math.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:11] Yeah it's it's been over a decade for sure at least.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:16] Really gosh roll.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:19] Well over a decade yeah and they needed proof, and we had some misunderstanding on what could constitute as proof, and we thought of an internet bill would be proof enough but apparently internet bill while sufficient enough for the Texas Department of Public Safety, to prove domicile, is not good enough for the Texas public school system for proving.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:52] At least the one indicator.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:55] Well I all I have is my experience with the one indicator.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:58] Because there is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:59] And I actually went and I looked online, and what it says online and what the affidavit they gave me says is that it only matters that you prove domicile if your student is planning on participating in any UIL events, and barring that there is no reason you need to prove domicile, to your school district in the state of Texas and they were sticklers about you have to prove where you live and you know what, we did it we jumped through the hoops,

my son is literally going to have no interest in any UIL that's University of Interscholastic League events, but we jumped through the hoop anyway because they apparently don't know their own policies which isn't uncommon for bureaucracies, which is what I was quickly reminded public school is a giant bureaucracy, and I'll leave the definitions of what a bureaucracy is at that you can go look it up and have your own fun with that. Biggs says Sports yeah and it's something Gerg will never be interested, unless the school starts an Esports team.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:22] Which some are.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:26] But until that day there will be no sports team that Gerg will ever be interested in being on.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:31] I somehow don't see Decatur ISD having Esports there's just something about it doesn't really come to the forefront of my mind.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:44] It depends on whether or not there's a wealthy donor that's willing to pay for them to start.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:48] True.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:51] That's how the Decatur Independent School District works right so when I was in high school we didn't have a golf team, there was this joke when I started High School about we should start a golf team and the people that were saying we should start a golf team everyone was laughing at them hey you're funny until, the richest student in town whose father owned a local insurance company gave the school an unspecified amount of, I'm assuming, at least a million dollars, to start a golf team and then golf became a thing indicator and of in a school district fast forward several years and there was no like, Auto I mean there was auto shop when I was in high school, but over the years auto shop became more of this after-school non-elective thing to do that the students were doing until the students decided they were going to build, a monster truck in their own time on school property grabbing pieces from junk yards and entered it into a contest where they won enough money to make auto shop one of the main.

 

[12:09] Staple electives at Decatur Independent School District so that's kind of how it goes is, um if someone Rich out there once to start an Esports team in Decatur Texas not Georgia cuz, for some reason when you put in Decatur in any search engine it defaults to Georgia even if you give it your ZIP code it will ignore your zip code and give you information from Georgia.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:35] Interesting.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:36] You have to specify Texas.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:39] Never had to deal with that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:41] Yeah even living in Decatur Texas and giving the Decatur Texas ZIP code search engines are like no no you mean Decatur Georgia.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:49] Well it is a bigger.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:50] Fishing on the Decatur Georgia Bulldogs.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:53] It is a much much much larger populace of people in Decatur.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:03] What makes you think Decatur Georgia has a bigger populous than Decatur Texas, I mean I don't know if they do or not I haven't actually looked it up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:10] Because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:14] Because search engines default to it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:16] Um Decatur Georgia. Well it's in DeKalb County but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:29] Population 19, 335.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:33] So maybe it's just because it's alphabetical Georgia versus Texas because those populaces aren't that much.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:46] And according to Google nobody knows how many people live in Decatur Texas.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:53] It's only six miles from Atlanta that's. That's kind of why I assumed because it's in the same area as Atlanta so I assumed it was bigger than what it even is but anywho, bar arguing the difference between decay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:16] Why can't I find a current population count for Decatur Texas didn't we just have a census.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:22] Because it doesn't exist.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:24] Decatur Texas doesn't exist I can find 2010 census data for Decatur Texas but we literally just had a census.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:33] I don't think it's all been published out yet because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:37] It says as of 2010 we had 6042 people in Decatur Texas.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:42] Soda.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:44] That is significantly smaller than Decatur Georgia.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:46] Yeah and and that's the biggest city in the area that you live in whereas.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:54] Yeah it's the county seat it's the biggest city in the area it's um. Yeah that's okay yeah Groggy says Decatur's part of Atlanta Biggs this is I don't know. Somebody Sports and college stuff and Zaidi's here and Rayne is here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:28] We've had a really really really weird.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:31] We'll hunt you there for a second.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:33] Week this week is just felt weird and off.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:37] Normally you and I are on the phone together every day on video chat at least for you know a couple of minutes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:48] Okay yeah at least for a couple of minutes yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:50] You know and then other days it's much longer where you know they'll be hours of time where we're hanging out, sometimes you're doing your thing and I'm doing my things and you know we're doing several things but we're connected you know and then this week hi I literally had days where I slept 20 hours, and I was like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:08] And then I went to I went to bed early two days in a row which is, weird cuz I don't sleep very much and then it was like you need to go to bed, 7:30,um anyway so how was your week?

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:35] So that was all that was me I'd we just talked about our weeks we didn't frame it at the beginning of the conversation but we literally just talk about our weeks.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:44] I know I just I couldn't help it I had to ask okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:49] Habit.

 

[16:55] It's time for get to know the pastor's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:00] What is something.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:01] We're on an even episode so Pastor Newms has his card.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:05] Or we can just simply say you did it last time, "What is something that many people consider a modern-day convenience that you quite frankly consider a pain in the neck?"

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:26] Modern convenience.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:28] I don't like always.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:30] I guess you get to go first.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:33] I don't like always being connected, anyone in the business world or that deals with that type of stuff is extremely annoying to get emails at, you know 11 p.m. 3:00 a.m. from co-workers and you're like, and they're like I sent you an email it's nine o'clock have you not seen my emails I sent you last night you're like, no because I don't check my email at 11:30 at night and so that that that's something that is a modern convenience that I think is affected a lot of people negatively of always being connected to work. That's something I don't like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:31] Biggs on Twitch says shaving and Groggy seconds, I don't know how modern shaving is or how convenient shaving is to be honest I mean, I've always preferred the look of, a male face that wasn't shaven obviously I mean I that's why I have a beard I think it looks better I think every politician looks better with a beard, or a goatee personally I when they when they real up those pictures of what ifs and they show people like Hillary timing, who were those people they actually even Hillary looked better with a beard but they did those pictures of all those politicians and they put beards on them, and people were like oh my gosh yeah look evil I was like dude hell would distinguish and trustworthy now like before they didn't they didn't look trustworthy, now you will now it's too many and I see many of these that, someone who doesn't shave their face looks untrustworthy and they hammered that into me my ear and I was like that's a load of crap I feel just the opposite, someone who shaves their face every day what are they trying to hide.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:56] I don't care yeah so Bill.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:04] I don't care about facial hair.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:06] With his internet there are some bad storms in Decatur Texas and so his internet is going in and out so he's having to use the old hockey puck that we used to use to connect, and it is not great but we will keep going the best.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:26] Well using the hockey puck for the audio and then for the video for my video we're still using the regular old cell phone service which is still affected by the weather.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:37] Yeah it's really badly affected by the weather right now I thought we were using the hockey puck for both to be honest that's what I thought was going on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:46] No we're not.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:47] I assumed it was that bad because of of that because it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:54] Now my video is straight up. Hooked up to the cell.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:58] Straight up AT&T all right so there's there's that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:07] I think Zaydie is telling us a joke and us she says phones she says we should go back to writing letters and using the Pony Express.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:17] Will she specifically said talking on the phone which is extremely.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:23] First you said first just said phones.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:27] Oh well then she specified sorry I read the specification first she would rather.

 

[21:43] I don't know but she hates the phone's I can't even compare something she would wrap because she hates talking on the phone so much, she like leaves the room she doesn't like people looking at her when she's talking on the phone because she hates using the phone, so it is what it is so I definitely could agree.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:09] Yeah I'm not fond of them I'm not fond of talking on the phone in their phone calls you know like, I prefer text I prefer email, every time I fill out one of those contact forms it gives me the option I choose email or text and tell them do not call me, and if they call me that I get a little upset because they called me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:35] I'm just bad at communication.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:37] Which is upsetting because if you should have given me the option. Um and and and voicemail like leave a voicemail. Don't call and not leave a voicemail and then say you couldn't get a hold of me like you didn't even leave a voicemail you called me your hung up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:02] Yeah I don't I'm just bad at communication, it's you know it's one of those things you call me and I'm like, Biggs doesn't even call any of us he calls the children because they're more likely to answer the phone then then we are my phone sits on my desk face.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:27] Now when Newms. When Newms calls me I'm like crap I gotta answer that do not let me stop what you're doing something wrong I got to answer the phone.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:39] Something is wrong or something might be wrong and he's not sure one of the other he doesn't call otherwise, if it doesn't happen over like Discord or something like that it I'm terrible at it and I've got like. I'm just I'm bad at it just overall, yeah like Biggs said you have to call the answering service which are small children that answer their phones and they'll get you right through, so all right.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:20] All right so we're sufficiently warmed up so, tonight we're going to talk about a few things we do have a core, concept that we're going to talk about and if you want to go and prepare yourself for when we're going to talk about that oh I remembered I was going to say, so about male and the Pony Express my wife took of crocheting, for the tears my wife were here stick up crocheting right when covid started shooting up crocheting and recently she crocheted this beautifully crafted word. DaVinci then stuck in an envelope and wrote out her brother's name and address have you sent that yet, that's you putting them out today to send to her brother and so she just a regular sized envelope she mailed her brother this thing that she crocheted it's the word butthole.

 

[25:24] Why and then we'll the kicker is she didn't put a return address. So he's just gonna get a piece of mail that is just the crocheted word butthole with no return address and it's fantastic.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:42] I think we have different beliefs on the word fantastic.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:49] Like and all it cost us was a stamp and an envelope and a little bit of her time and I just can't wait for him to get it and opened this thing and be like all right what you guys sent me a butthole in the mail.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:03] That is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:08] Who.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:09] That's that's something that blood cells would do I could like that's definitely. That is definitely something those siblings would do to each other that that is yes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:28] So back to topic if you want to go Prime yourself with what this court topic is you can go read Ephesians chapter 4 you can start it yeah, I mean it's a big run on sentence starting in verse one.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:46] I mean I started all the way back I read one started so in the topic I was like, do I need to go back to 3 and so like I went back to 3 and read it just in case and it's like okay I thought I was like you know it's a small book Let's just read the book and see what I see.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:05] Um it really is it's a big run on sentence starting in verse 1 but um, we're focusing on verse 14 so they want to go really Ephesians chapter 4 will be focusing in 14 we'll get there in a minute but we I just want to, um oh my gosh my wife changed her name on YouTube to BatBrains and she comments on YouTube that she thinks it will be obvious to her brother that it's from her so we'll see. All right so first off I want to re-establish because we haven't actually said it in a while, in conversation earlier this week Newms actually I guess yesterday you were saying you know we say it all the time we say all the time but to be fair to be honest it's been a while since we've actually explained, the Berean concept and how we view, dogma and Theology and learning and all this stuff so we're going to restate it right quick okay so, we call this the Berean Manifesto because we believe in living a Berean lifestyle and we pull that idea from the book of Acts Which chapter that's in Newms.

 

[28:32] Six four.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:40] Give me a minute I'll.

 

[28:51] Continue continue going forward and I'll find the exact verse.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:55] I wish I could so we based it off of something that happened in the book of Acts, and I feel like I'm at a road bump that if I don't actually just read it from the book of Acts then I'm not doing it justice so I guess I'll have to go find it however you can find it and tell me where it is.

 

Pastor Newms:

[29:26] I'm having issue finding it by looking.

 

[29:37] Berea.

 

Pastor Bill:

[29:41] I really wish I had a mind that could just like oh it's here that's just not what my mind does though so all right I found it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[29:50] 17

 

Pastor Bill:

[29:51] So yeah in Acts chapter 17 we find.

 

[30:04] Please find who do we find Paul and so Paul and Silas are in. Thessalonica, and they're preaching the gospel and the Jews become jealous of what they're preaching, and they form a mob and they run them out of the city,

and they find themselves Paul and Silas find themselves then in Berea right now Berea is this place that, if you really think about the way that, this whole geography is laid out Berea is the city that is literally at the base of Mount Olympus so in all the Greek mythology which is, did the current religion of where they're preaching and all the Greek mythology Mount Olympus being the center of this religion these people grew up being able to see. The mountain that the city of the Gods was supposed to be on top of, obviously they couldn't see Olympus couldn't see the city of the god couldn't see the gods but that didn't matter for the Greek, Pantheon and and the worship of those Gods it didn't matter but the people that are there.

 

[31:31] They live in this environment where their religion is is that close to them, they can see this very present character from their stories, and there are Jews there there are Greeks there there are people there in from you know several different religions but the overall idea of the culture there, is that it was a very Gnostic understanding of religion they understood that Olympus was a place, they understood that, things were real tangible right and so Paul and Silas they began preaching in Berea and what they find is that in Berea.

 

[32:18] The Jews that they're preaching to refuse to believe what they're teaching, until they go and find it in the scriptures for themselves not by scriptures were talking about the Torah right they take this very Gnostic approach and they go okay that's great pause, we're gonna go figure out if this is true and if what you're saying lines up but the scripture, beliefs and this is where this idea of Berean lifestyle comes from, three don't want you to believe something just because we say it Newms doesn't believe things theologically or otherwise, just because I say it I don't believe things he logically or otherwise just because Newms says it, why would we expect that any of you the people listening people come in and you know seen our videos any of that why would we expect you to believe anything we say.

 

[33:27] Without you going and proving it to yourself in the scriptures beforehand go find it, prove that it's true and believe it or that it's false come and have a conversation, that's the whole platform right there.

 

[33:53] We believe that each believer should be. Mature enough or mature ring enough, to be able to listen to the Holy Spirit and take what we teach and actually go and find out if what we're teaching is true, or not right oops.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:20] Yeah yeah it's what we've you know we've talked about it often.

 

[34:30] And you know it's always interesting, the things that we do disagree on, when they get brought up is always makes for very interesting podcast but the, there's a lot that we agree on there's a lot that we don't I wouldn't say there's a lot that we don't but the core of Christianity, wee don't respect the other person's opinion because we often get into those kind of conversations both here and outside of here on the times that we, talking all the time there's often that we get to some interesting conversations, so I mean it's something we definitely it happens you know we try to make sure of that and we've eaten Millie try to prove.

 

[35:50] Each other wrong sometimes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:53] And respecting the other person doesn't always mean coming around to their way of thinking, but it doesn't always end up not, coming around to the way of thinking either sometimes one of us will win the other to our way of thinking sometimes we won't and we'll go you know our separate ways on that issue and sometimes, neither one of us are one over to the other ways of thinking and one of us still goes like still don't see it the way you see it,

but I'm gonna in action do what you're saying because of XYZ, I mean if you respect the other.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:35] I just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:36] Really respect to the person then sometimes that happens.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:39] What conversation you were talking about with that when it made me giggle I'm sorry um yeah it's not capitalist fault anyway, that was a fun couple of days anyway yeah I think it's very important that we always.

 

[36:57] Examine the scriptures constantly we can't and you know I was having a conversation earlier this week with someone and. Examining the Scriptures some people believe is oh I've read the Bible it's like okay. And this person is the one who said it they were like that doesn't mean reading your Bible because people are like oh I read it yeah I've read it okay but that doesn't mean you sought to understand it that doesn't mean you, there are so many people who are like well I read the Bible and and know what's wrong because blah or I've read the Bible and you know Etc and you're like, but have you studied it and there are a lot of people who have and that's something we strive to try to do is constant study and, listening to Holy Spirit and things like that because it's so. There are so many different opinions I mean that's why we have denominations everyone has a slightly different opinion throughout, two thousand years that our religion has been here.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:23] I would argue denomination exist for a different reason but continuum.

 

Pastor Newms:

[38:26] Yeah the first guy split because of differences they continued because of others but um it, it definitely. Is so important to do because when we look at Ephesians go ahead and I see I said wait for you for my ramblings I did.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:51] Segway at me all right so when we turn to Ephesians chapter 4 and we pick up in verse 14 which remember this is a big run on sentence so when it sounds like I'm picking up in the middle of a sentence it's because,

I am because it's a giant run-on sentence then we will no longer be little children. Tossed by the waves and blown around by every wind of teaching by human cunning and cleverness in the techniques of Deceit so.

 

[39:27] The issue that we want to bring Delight with what this scripture is saying in conjunction with being a Berea, is that there are lots and lots and lots of voices out there that are trying to teach lots and lots and lots of different viewpoints, on the scripture and what scripture means and what your takeaway should be and how you should live your life and what this means and what that means. But it's the earmark of a little child. To change your long-held and proven theological belief. On the rim of I bought a Bible study and it convinced me. Did it at a DOT when that is patently not what the majority of the teaching in the New Testament teaches.

 

[40:37] When you take away from something that someone has taught you and you bring it into someone else and they go but that I mean that literally contradicts the whole book of Galatians, for instance that contradicts the whole book of Galatians what you just said, then that should be pretty good proof that what you've gotten from this Bible study is, human cunning that was cleverly created in a technique of Deceit and not, sound theological teaching this is why you have to be Berean in your studies, when you are reading something that someone has taught something that someone is preached and they're saying follow me on this pathway through the scriptures they're hoping,

you won't step aside and go okay but what about what are these scriptures say as well, they want you to follow the specific path that they're taking so they can craft a frame for you.

 

[41:57] And bring you around to their way of thinking hoping that you won't, look at other scriptures and that is my least cynical approach to that scenario if you want to know my knee jerk reaction my knee jerk reaction is,

there are companies out there that are making Bible studies that support varying, disparaging use of scripture, that have nothing to do with Christianity these are people who are simply trying to turn a profit, and they're creating Bible studies that teach this and then a Bible study the teachers an opposing view and then presenting both Bible studies for sale. To make money because they don't care what you believe then you simply want to line their pockets.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:53] I would I would I would have to disagree to it a little bit because I'm not quite as a cynic As You Are.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:01] Like I said that's my most cynical knee-jerk reaction.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:04] I know I feel that there's a lot of people who teach from their heart and they teach what they think they understand and they. The they try to they're trying but.

 

[43:28] A lot of people pull their prejudices from how they're taught, and they don't seek for themselves you know a good example is myself so when I was growing up, I was I was raised in a very conservative school I was raised with a very set type of Doctrine and. When I got to a charismatic Ministry to work for two years I had to dig into scripture, to see why do I hold some of the beliefs I hold which ones are accurate because, from the scripture and which are ones that I've just picked up because I was taught and some stuff fell away, some stuff became stronger and throughout my adult life you know I've always tried to be open, to hearing debating and my debating sometimes gets a little, heated as some of you have experienced.

 

Pastor Bill:

[44:48] If it's not heated do you even care. That's how I feel about it like if there's passion if you care then it's going to get heated and you both need to understand that heat doesn't mean, separation heat means you care.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:08] Feelings when you yell at me Bill no I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:13] Boohoo.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:14] I know I know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:16] It's okay to have hurt feelings and it's okay to pick yourself up and move on.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:22] The but I think that's something that. Some Churches and some Christians have never done of actually digging into, the scriptures and looking at the Greek and the Hebrew and.

 

[45:45] You know things like that because it's you know when I was growing up everything was was the Bible says this and here's the one translation that's allowed to be used, and see the word is right there and then when I realized what a Strong's Concordance was it was like well, but that words translated in six different ways in the New Testament based on context so are we sure that it's right right there because it's the same, Greek word or Hebrew word in the Old Testament or is it not like and so there are times where, I think we have as a as a Capital C Church. Often just believe what we're taught and not taking a brilliant approach of okay, what's the verses that are being used to teach this what are other thought processes and could they be accurate could I be wrong now there's a lot of people I know.

 

[47:01] Family and otherwise that have changed their beliefs based on their study of the scriptures and that's what I would hope for you know you should if you're studying you should change your belief, and you should. Stand up for it but it is definitely hard in certain, congregations in certain structures to do so and that's why sometimes it's hard two, figure it out it's so weird because I know your voice and your face are on two different internet connections and, one will be like almost completely Frozen and the other is working fine and then like, the video will catch up and so then you're doing this and it's quite humorous it's a little distracting sorry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[48:01] Let me just tell you not once not once since we started this face-to-face version has your mouth ever matched what my ears are hearing. I will hear you and then I will see you do the thing that I just heard.

 

Pastor Newms:

[48:19] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[48:21] All the time 100%.

 

Pastor Newms:

[48:23] I'm interested to see how it looks going out, because I know how it looks that it what I'm sending but it's I'm interested to see how it looks going back and reviewing the vocal recordings I think you're going to have a lot of fun with the transcription tonight and that's all I'm saying.

 

Pastor Bill:

[48:40] Probably it's probably a big mess okay so same you know before I go into what we're moving on to next the King James version, when you're talking about, words that can be translated differently based on of context what got me about the King James that was the final straw that I said okay, this is not good enough I need something better was when I discovered that the translators, used Old English idioms.

 

[49:26] As part of the translation for instance there's a phrase I think it's in Jude where it talks about having compassion in the King James well. The problem there is that there's an Old English idiom that they used when they were translating this portion of scripture, that nobody uses anymore and it in that in the time when they were using this idiom it didn't mean to have compassion on everyone, it meant to judge someone and if you found them worthy to be compassionate to the.

 

[50:11] But that doesn't come across in the English translation of the Old English translation of, the King James Bible. And these idioms these Turner phrase that they used to use in Old English that when the King James was translated was understood by educated readers. Worthen kept when they translated the from the old English, into modern-ish English which even is the queen's English is still not the English that we speak today that you can go get a King James Version Bible and it's still in the queen's English it's still not in Modern English, these idioms continued let's say for instance the word protest in Modern English you protest against something yes.

 

[51:17] Yes in Old English the word protest meant to testify that you agreed with. So there's a particular scripture where they'd see those Peter or Paul talks about he protested dead and out of that and you would think he's saying I'm against this thing, but it's an Old English word for I'm testifying that I agree with this.

 

[51:54] Teaches their kids how to read Old English.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:57] People who only teach the King James version.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:02] Good on them, I grew up in a church where I literally had people say you know oh I've never had any problem understanding the King James version it's the right Bible but then never taught us, that they were using phrases that weren't the same in Modern English as they were and what they intended in the translation.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:26] It is definitely hard sometimes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:32] There's that one that one Bible translator, he goes around and gives talks and he talks about the King James Bible and he's like you know what it's a beautiful piece of poetry, and you should really hear it read in the original language it's beautiful but that's really what it is it's a piece of poetry it's not it's not a reliable source of study, is the way he puts it he says there's much better translations for Modern English speakers and he says without fail in most cities, that he goes and gives he speaks in speaks speeches in people come to him. And they'll say things like, well if the King James version was good enough for Paul to write his letters in then it's good enough for me to read.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:26] That's just that's just that's just it you see that's that's sad.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:30] This is this is what the church. I'm lumping all of us in here even us this is what the church is guilty of allowing to be taught and believed right we are guilty, and that's why we teach other CSB that's why we do cross translation studies that's why we do this you know all these things because we The Big C. The church we you know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:05] That's why my.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:06] Falls on all of us.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:07] Like my e-Sword is set to use parallel with three versions at least at all times just because you know I did grow up, with the KJV as rain as Zaidie just mentioned about the school that rain is fixing to start going to,

they use the King James version for everything and it's the same school I went to 20 years ago and it you know that hasn't changed and I'm hoping that they still teach. Using.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:44] How to read the King James.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:47] The logic behind it and teaching what versus actually mean which I'm sure they probably still do but you know I, I use a KJV plus program that basically puts the Strong's Concordance behind, everything and then I keep the strong in the Smith concordance open so every word I look at I'm looking at two concordances to see what they say that word truly is, at all times so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:22] So I read out of CSB, and sometimes I'll reference my Geneva Bible which is a translation that predates the King James by what does that 14 years, some like that it was it was finished in 1599 and then I have my East to work which I literally only use the KJV Plus on my a store, and so I've got the Strong's Concordance numbers and then I've got seven different commentaries ready, to see, what are these other men that have studied these things have to say about the scriptures about the phrasing about what they're saying and then I've got an eight cross-reference can coordinates that will show me, if this writer is referencing somewhere else in the Bible, and if the specific words that are being used are used in other places as well so that I can go and cross-reference okay well it's translated this way here how's the translated there and back and forth.

 

[56:40] So there's all that so our last topic we're going to beat John and we only have three minutes but so if you turn with me to cheat the book of, we're going to look in Chapter 2 of The Book of Galatians and I first want you to notice, that in Galatians chapter 2 verse 7, it says on the contrary they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel for the uncircumcised just as Peter was for the circumcised, so I just wanted to point out that Paul does directly reference the person of Peter as Peter, and he specifies here that Paul, was sent out by God to spread the gospel to the Gentiles, whereas Peter was sent out to spread the gospel to the Jews that's what this circumcised uncircumcised means.

 

[57:47] When we move forward in Galatians and we get to verse 11 of chapter 2 Paul no longer refers to Peter as Peter. Paul start using Peters other name because Peters in trouble. This is something Paul does he drops in formality,

and becomes very formal when he's getting on to you so let's start in verse 11, but when key first came to Antioch that's Peters actual name Keith us I opposed him to his face because he stood condemned, for he regularly ate with the Gentiles before certain men came from James however when they came he withdrew and separated himself because he feared those from the circumcision party, didn't the rest of the Jews joined his hypocrisy so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy, but when I saw that they were deviating from the truth of the Gospel I told Keith us in front of everyone, if you who are a Jew live like a gentile and not like a Jew how can you compel Gentiles to live like juice, all right that is so confusing for Paul to go around saying.

 

[59:16] I can do anything I have the freedom in Christ to do anything nothing is wrong for me to do right and then for him to get on to Peter and say how dare you live like a gentile, except we already have the answer Peter's Ministry was to the Jews, he was supposed to be living like a Jew he was supposed to be keeping the law as part of his ministry to the Jews, Paul his ministry was to the Gentiles so when he went out he went out and lived the life that would draw in the Gentile, and I truly believe this is part of the confusion that we see a lot of in the church today, Grace versus Works Faith versus works so, I am not a Jew I was not born a Jew I have Jewish blood in me from way way way way way back a lot of people do it's just that's how Bloodlines work, but I'm a gentile and therefore.

 

[1:00:42] Faith and Grace for me look different than they did for Peter.

 

[1:00:50] And when you go read the teachings of Jesus and you compare them to the teachings of Paul you get this same. But Jesus was doing Ministry to the Jews.

 

[1:01:08] Whereas the gospel message looks different and Paul was doing Ministry to the Gentiles. Whereas the ministry looks different okay, so when you look at Faith and you look at Salvation you look at Grace and you go oh my gosh I gotta keep the law, to be saved well no Paul even goes as far in there's a. I don't want to put words into poles mouth I want to find exactly where he says the thing that I'm trying to remember that he says. It's right there in chapter two, I do not set aside the grace of God for if righteousness comes through the law then Christ died for nothing. If you could be righteous by your actions if you needed to live a perfect life to attain salvation then Christ died for nothing.

 

[1:02:23] Paul is writing to the Gentiles the Jews have a very different. Understanding of how to get to Salvation now once they're in Salvation once they're serving in the church once they're in relationship with Jesus it looks the same it's great. They come to this mature understanding that oh well all the law really is summed up in loving God loving my neighbor and loving myself. And that's what they have hope which is the law of Grace. But before that you see Peter and you see Jesus do a lot of ministry that really doesn't seem to gel with what Paul teaches. Which is that salvation is by grace through faith.

 

[1:03:38] No response from them.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:39] Muted am I am I am can you hear me okay, yes I mean it is, that there is definitely some disconnects when you look at the who the audience of each, aspect was for, there's often you know even when you look at Paul's writing the way he writes to this group versus how he writes to this group he, talks to him about different things because he talked some about what those churches were struggling with or what those churches were doing correct.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:26] Which has really confused a lot of historians because logo wait a second he talks this way in one letter e talks this way and another letter are we sure this is the same author, and we're like yeah that's that's how Paul does it he that's how he talks.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:41] He was he was very good at being almost chameleon in certain aspects because he would change a lot of his aspects to who he was preaching.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:51] Yeah the the Mantra the Mantra When in Rome this is this is very much how he lived he said I become all things to all men, that's how we live that that's what it was It was a.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:11] So it definitely.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:12] Big says we can't and they can't either I don't know what that means Biggs we can't and they can't either.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:25] But we will wait for Biggs to and and I will say if you are looking at a King James 1611 or a Geneva from from back then.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:36] For 1599.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:38] It be, to to it is it is some reading it is much different than just in case anyone's like oh a Geneva Bible me go download that for e-sword and launch it because I haven't looked at it in a while.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:54] Sure you get an English version not an Old English version.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:57] The old English is fun though.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:02] A perfect life that's true big sends we can't live a perfect life.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:07] That is very true.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:09] That's the whole point I was literally the whole point of Salvation Paul goes on and on and on and on about it, so go read Galatians it's not that big of a book six chapters and it will make it clear.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:26] Bees are you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:29] For those born as a gentile who then find Salvation, that it is a very very simple progression from lawlessness to the law of Grace, which is literally love God love your neighbor love yourself that is the only things that you are held to, after you become a believer.

 

[1:07:03] And then the name still struggles with the whole love yourself thing but who does if it was easy it wouldn't be in there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:07] We didn't need to bring that up we need to bring that up we did not need to bring in my self-hatred.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:16] Think about it if it was easy it wouldn't be a.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:18] It's true.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:23] It would just be a oh well you're already doing that so there's no point in bringing it up he didn't say like he didn't say like pump blood breathe, any food well the food thing that's hard for some people he didn't say you know he didn't say distrust your neighbor pump blood and breathe, well because you know I'll say Trump Pretty Natural, does things are easy he is that love God that's kind of hard to love something that I don't know exist and I can't see it that it, love your neighbor really even when the guys out mowing his lawn too early on a Saturday morning as my dad is sleeping and love that neighbor. Like you love yourself which implies you also need to love yourself which is just, but they're all difficult that's whole point that's why they're Commandments hi so that's what I have for tonight did you have anything you wanted to add to that Pastor Newms.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:26] No

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:27] Now you good okay so we are here most Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and by here I mean on Facebook, YouTube and Twitch you can go to our website ekk.house to find out which Facebook which YouTube and which Twitch - which twitch that you can find us at, we also have our own Discord server that we host chat on when we are recording this podcast live, so you could come and join us in the chat, if you had questions if you had comments concerns that would be the place to bring those up or you can use the contact information on our website I believe the contact info email is

 

[1:09:15] info@ekk.house, believe it or not that just forwards directly into my personal email box so if you send an email to that email address I will get it me personally because this is a two-man Ministry me and Pastor Newms and then every once in awhile we call upon the board of directors, to make big decisions not that we've had a lot of big decisions to make in a while we've had some small decisions that we've gotten together with the, by-laws yeah the Quorum is found by our bylaws recently we had to pull in my wife into the Quorum because it was something that included me in the decision therefore I wasn't allowed to vote, but she holds a position on the board for that exact reason is to cast a vote when, I can't let's not usually something about me when she's called in.

 

[1:10:21] That happened and so we had to get a quorum and we couldn't get a quorum with me because it was about me so there you go, coming up we have our gaming stuff should be kicking in any day now they are building my computer. At least they said they were building my computer so we'll see when that happens, and yeah this podcast goes up on Wednesday nights what's up dude.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:10:51] My personal stuff I'm going to be probably streaming pretty soon because I've got a game that I really want to, stream again cuz I bought it and haven't yet it's an expanded from a free game I played and yeah so hopefully it's sometime this week I will do that, we'll see how much Deep Space Nine I decide to watch.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:15] Okay so now in the last few minutes here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:22] Pretty we have more.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:24] There is so much disinformation and bile just being thrown back and forth about all this vaccinations.

 

[1:11:38] Everyone got a raw deal. Those who have been vaccinated and are now offended at the CDC because the CDC uses the term super spreader. Which is a concern that I personally raised when they started talking about giving up on finding an actual vaccination and using an mRNA.

 

[1:12:06] Listen we're all being jerked back and forth, and nobody actually knows how to handle this in real time. A new outbreak of a new virus. Of this scale in the past all this back and forth happens behind closed doors,

and the public at large usually doesn't see it because it information moved out slower, right in the 70s and 80s the same back-and-forth would happen, behind the scenes and it wouldn't be until a year two years three years into it that then the public would start hearing what the professionals had decided on, well now a professional says something and the public gets jerked that way and then a different professional says something else the public gets jerk that way so.

 

[1:13:13] My advice is to be patient We're All in This Together the people who didn't get the vaccine aren't villains, the people who did get the vaccine I know the CDC told you you were Heroes and now they're painting you out to be, somewhat villainess for doing what they told you to do in the first place we're all getting the short end of the stick right now, do the best you can to stay safe you're the best you can to take care of your neighbors remember there are people out there who can't get this vaccine personally I have an enlarged heart.

 

[1:13:57] And the majority of the people who have died from this vaccine had died from heart related issues so that makes it a little interesting in my personal situation even if I decided that I wanted to go out and get it today,

I probably would need to consult a doctor and advice would probably beat not to I'm one of those people that wouldn't be able to get it so. Let's all just take a deep breath. Be a little more patient with each other all right did you have anything you wanted to add to that Pastor Newms.

 

[1:14:47] It was January 11th 1997 was the day that my heart grew two sizes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:14:55] All right no I just want everyone to be safe you know I am a germaphobe, a little bit not as bad as some people but, germs gross me out so I actually when I was doing groceries and stuff this week even though I have the vaccine I started wearing my mask again even though it's not big in Tennessee and I was getting some dirty look some of the places I was at I'm like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:22] See that's the thing the CDC has come forward and said, people who got the vaccine are five times more likely, to spread the Delta variant then people who have never gotten the vaccine.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:35] Yeah so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:37] And that's why they're advising everyone to start wearing masks again.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:40] Yeah I know and that's why I'm just saying be safe and do what you feel like you have to I know I'm the one who says be safe though.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:49] When they announced mRNA I said all you're going to do is mask the symptoms of people who are carrying it, and they're still going to be able to spread it and people laughed at me and I'm like but that's how it is that's how it's going to work and people laughed at me and now the CDC is like well. Now insert science words here that matches what I've been saying they really should have just kept working on an actual vaccine instead of giving up and going I will just alter DNA it's easier that way. Anyway it is it is it is it's easier to alter DNA than it is to make a vaccine.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:16:35] Yeah let's I'm still worried zombies are going to start walking around but that's beside the point.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:16:39] I'm not I'm not worried about zombies those are easy.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:16:42] Now I'm terrified okay now we just look at bye that's not how you do the goodbye don't start with me too.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:16:50] How do we how do we do the goodbye.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:16:52] Oh Billiam you going to push me tonight aren't you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:16:56] Push 32 I don't have the energy man I'm just okay 30 second buffer.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:17:02] All right.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:17:04] 30 second buffer has it been 30 seconds yet.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:17:07] Yeah sure it has.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:17:10] Love you guys have a good week.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:17:11] First time ever all right love y'all.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:17:18] Until next time I forgot that I had to say the things.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:17:20] Be safe.

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