S3EP40 - Defending The…

Pastor Newms:

[0:09] Church intro video and here's where I typically light my incense but I did so about five minutes ago so oops. I'm not going to have incense halfway through so if I start screaming at you it's your fault.

 

Pastor Bill:

[0:27] It's my fault how was that my fault.

 

Pastor Newms:

[0:30] Because I didn't light my incense on time.

 

Pastor Bill:

[0:32] What you do you go did literally why are you reading the card already.

 

Pastor Newms:

[0:37] I'm not, why did I do that I don't know man we're at four and a half minutes.

 

[0:50] I broke the rules guys broke the rules y'all.

 

[0:58] I didn't even know there were rules but I broke them.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01] We make the rules up as we go along.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04] That's how rebellious I am breaking the non-existent rules look out.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08] Nonexistent rules well I don't know should it be a blind react or should the person who pulls the card be able to prepare ahead of time.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:21] No I agree I agree it should be blind.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:24] Yeah we give more genuine answers if it's blind.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:26] I just didn't think and picked it up and cuz it's right in front of me so I just was.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:30] So you just started reading it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:32] There's nothing in front of me I must read.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:35] I get that I do understand. So Hello and welcome to Season 3 episode 44 the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. In this first five minutes we're just kind of.

 

[1:58] Warming up, waiting for people to show up this is our pre warm up because then once once we go live, then we warm up talking about our weeks and things like that Zaidie joining us on Twitch. Just so everybody knows that's listening we do record this live on Facebook, YouTube, and Twitch on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and you can go and watch the video as we're recording it live and then you can participate typing in the chat and we've got it all set up to where we can see all that's put in, on our Discord Channel and then we can reply back. If you'd like to know more about the Discord Channel you can go to our website EKK.house and send me an email and I will get you an invite to the Ekklesian House Server because I never figured out what channel to send people to from the website I was still writing the rules and all that and then I never revisited it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:11] I was like wait we did we did it for the note that's the other discs.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:15] We did it for something else. We have HPuffPhoenix joining us on Twitch. What's up Puff? How are you doing? Are you recovering from your surgery? What are you shaking your head for? Not Puff? Why not Puff? It's like Puff the Magic Dragon. Biggs on Twitch says, "hay!"

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:39] He did say hay. He said hay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:48] Now he would he wouldn't say it that way that's why it was so funny because it was so uncharacteristic it would be more like.

 

[4:01] Hey how you doing no no how you doing.

 

[4:10] Zadie likes my whole Puff the dragon who lives by the sea and HPuffPhoenix says just say Phoenix not bye she wants to be known as Phoenix and I know that's cool hopefully you Phoenix.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:27] Late for dinner.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:29] Wow.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:31] You can call me anything you want just don't call me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:39] I used to tell people when I was working at that big mega church you can call me anything you want as long as it's encouraging, don't call me stupid don't call me crazy don't call me lazy but if you want to call me chop beef I don't care they got many nickname you.

 

[5:00] I just pulled one out of here they're just chopped beef is what came out all right how many seconds we got before we switch from.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:08] That's a good question I stopped looking one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:11] Um Zaidie on Twitch says Pastor Newms they can't hear you very well.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:15] Can't hear me? It's hitting in the yellow are you sure it's showing that it's loud.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:24] And Biggs says he's going to call me Porkchop.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:28] Try again, can you hear me now?

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:33] Pork chops are delicious.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:36] It's my microphone silly.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:38] I can hear you well oh I didn't switch to my headphones you're probably getting an echo.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:42] I'm actually not that I've noticed. Yeah well you know I moved it closer to my face so maybe that will help I am noticing I'm not hitting the yellow too much, let's try that maybe that'll be a little better I find it kind of interesting the fact that you were like how many seconds are we at I was like oh I'm not looking anymore, one okay great.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:17] Now I can hear you loud and clear in my headphones.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:21] Mmm I'm glad.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:22] Now we can see if there's a difference. Zaidie can you here him better now like maybe my microphone was picking them up and then his system was canceling it out.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:32] That could be true, I don't know actually.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:35] Here in my speakers.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:36] My things aren't bouncing like they normally do hmm.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:41] There you go have your batteries low on your headphones.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:44] No no it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:46] Yeah and I was telling you earlier that I was having trouble hearing you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:49] Yeah you were.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:50] Is did the gain get turned down on your little.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:53] I'm looking but we can continue talking while we go.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:59] Biggs says you sound fine Biggs on Twitch says you some fun it's weird all right well other than sound problems I guess we're ready to start talking. How was your week Pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:14] Oh gross gross.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:19] Your week was gross.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:20] Gross okay so that should be much better.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:27] What was wrong with it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:29] It was using the microphone on my webcam.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:35] Ah

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:37] Because the computer decided that for some reason when it never does that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:43] It must have been when we switched from Discord to Teams earlier.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:51] Okay that's got except maybe that, maybe that makes sense maybe that makes sense I just you know or I'm just tired and not talking very loud, Zaidie says she can't hear me from the couch when usually she hears me from my office and then hears me from in there so maybe I'm just not, and yet today, I'm not sure what being is but my week was pretty good, lots of stuff at work I'm doing this a lot tonight which is making my camera go in and out but so I'll try to stop that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:30] And by this he means swiveling his chair back and forth.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:33] Yeah yeah I whip my chair back and forth I whip my chair back.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:37] I whip my chair back and forth I whip my chair back and forth.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:41] So I am pretty good I was in a meeting earlier this week and I do that with my chair a lot, and I look and me and the person I'm in the meeting with are actually in sync, swiveling our chairs because I guess I didn't know he did it too. I hadn't really paid attention but then all of a sudden I look and I can see his chair going at the same time and I'm like was he doing that before me or after me like who started that cuz it's funny, we're not work work was good this week Sera had her first full week of school Rayne is starting on Monday so both the girls are back in school, yeah that was pretty much my week, I've killed seventy six people and died 15 times from the war that, I won't say we started but was started.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:42] Oh no, we started it in response to.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:56] We are going to declare war I mean and they do that thing isn't them actually just asking for it not you starting it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:05] That implies you have some kind of power over them we don't have power over them that's why we had to go to war.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:13] Okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:15] We have no, we have no authority over them that's why we're having to take action.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:19] The the responses I'm getting makes it seem like I have tons of power over their gameplay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:24] Right man they're acting like we're a huge Alliance ruining their days every day and it's just the two of us hitting all what subtract 59 of them.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:36] 50 60 60 60 well.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:41] 63 in their Alliance and there's three of them that we're not hitting.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:44] Yeah so 60 people.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:45] Um but one of those three isn't even playing right now, he's tired of the game and he's just holding on until the TNG arc is over and then he's planning on peacing out all together. Um so there's the one guy that we're not hitting them in the two guys out of there on loan from their original Alliance to get in game particles that we're not hitting so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:14] So how was your week.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:17] My week is great my kill count is up to a hundred and twenty five Biggs says TNG that's The Next Generation argh, my kill counts of 125, now my death count is up to 15 today, as the like an hour ago so our death counts of the same we both died 15 times but I've killed a hundred twenty five ships mainly mining ships and one warship in the three days.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:48] Three days or so yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:49] Today three days day three of those four that we're in.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:52] Yeah I yeah I've had some interesting conversations in the past 3 days.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:00] It's been it's been interesting is like they've never fought a war before, they don't understand what being in a war means, and it's funny to get the conflicting comments from people like honestly your little two-person War I'm not really that worried about it and then that same person coming and going, you're harassing me and need to stop and I'm like well which is it are you not that worried about it, do I have the ability to harass you even though there's only two of me pick a pick a pick a concept there bud.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:40] Yeah and then the the other members of our alliance like Biggs and Groggy and a couple other people are are so low, their people can't hit them so it's kind of humorous because it's like you know our lower newer players,

are not affected.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:03] Yeah which is one of the things that Newms and I discussed before we decided to take action was is this getting interfere with, our younger newer players to the game being able to develop and grow in their fragile levels,

into the game and win then we realize their lowest person, is too high to even hit our people other than me and Newms was like well that's not a consideration at all then.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:33] Unless Biggs doesn't do what I said and keeps leveling too quickly that then he'll end up accidentally part of it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:41] You've given him your advice and it's up to him to take it or not I mean.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:46] Since he's here I'll harass him yet again about.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:49] He's going to play the way he's going to play Man.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:51] He is he is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:52] Alright and so this week was Gergs first week in public school ever he started ninth grade, um on Monday. We've got Rayne joining us she's here native in Discord on our Discord server and Biggs says.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:13] So

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:14] He's on vacation.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:16] He is the factory is shut down for two weeks at least.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:21] Excuse me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:23] Due to the Covid outbreak in Malaysia has affected their ability to get parts again.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:31] Specifically chips right microchips are I'm kind of.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:33] I don't know if this one is the chips or if it's a different part from Malaysia, I don't I don't know what I didn't read what part it was and I didn't ask him I just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:51] Biggs says in game 2 like you're you're in the game right now to or you're on vacation in the game too.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:55] No I think he's I think he's taking a vacation from the game maybe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:00] Braking systems so it's part of the braking systems for the cars.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:06] Oh okay I was trying to equip that back to end game was the we don't wrap breaks who needs brakes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:14] Who needs brakes when you're traveling at warp and Subspace you don't need to break.

 

[15:24] Right so like I said it was Gergs first week ever in public school and it has been quite mentally straining on the boy, but he's a trooper he made it through his first week unscathed actually it wasn't Monday through Friday which is Tuesday through Friday and Tuesday is first day I get a call from the nurse at the school, our kids are home school you know and they rarely ever saw anybody so we didn't put a lot of emphasis on immunizations they got their baby immunizations and then they got a few here there as you know as they're growing up so we get a call from the school nurse hey um, your son is missing for immunizations that technically we shouldn't have even enrolled him. So there's a clinic running right now in your town and I'm going to need you to go ahead and take him to that clinic and get those immunizations or I'm gonna have to unenroll him, and it was like great so day one of school, 2:15 in the afternoon I had to go pull him out of school driving across town get him four immunizations and then taken back to school for his last period.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:50] I just find it funny it's like um and I was I was actually on the phone with you when it happened and it was like they were like well no you need to do it right now he is legally not even allowed to be here and if you're like oh,

nice good job not catching that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:10] Right because when we tried to enroll him they were like oh he's missing his meningitis that's okay you can go get that, and then we'll have no problem and I was like okay meningitis that's all yeah yeah that's the only thing he's missing, and then first day of school the school nurse was going over all the enrollment records, and was like oh why did they enroll this person without him getting all of his immunizations I don't know what's going on,

but the whole enrollment process was like that it was like, do this and then we do that and they go oh no you've done something wrong you've got to do this then we'll do that they were like oh no you missed this hoop and we line up will jump through that hoop and there were like oh no you still didn't get all the Hoops you need to jump through this hoop, and so we were jumping through all these hoops and Gerg find immunizations and all to catch up to be able to go to public school my baby.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:15] Milo.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:17] If you listen to podcast you can't see him but your alarm system one.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:21] Says that someone's at the door but there's no one at the door no see you look there's the door no one at the door.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:30] Huh he was an animal or a package delivery.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:34] It was probably an animal it happens I'm assuming it was probably neighbors because they're outside so their dog must have ran.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:44] Have you seen those videos on Tik-Tok of that dog in that one neighborhood and he'll come up and jump up and ring the bell, and wait and if they don't come to the door he'll jump up and ring the bell again and wait it's one of those ones you can see the camera and he just keeps doing it until they come to the door and let him in and he hangs out with them and their house, for several hours before he just wants to go back home again and then he goes back home he's comes over ring the doorbell.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:08] Wow that's nuts that is that is nuts, I am if a dog jumps up and starts ringing the doorbell we're going to have some conversations with said dog, yeah it is true sometimes you get notification like 2 a.m. and you're like,

can you turn it on and everything is dark because the porch lights are off so it's only like what you can and you're like swear to goodness if something moves I'm going to lose my mind.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:41] When we were when we were on vacation they had a ring system hooked up to some flood lights pointed at the driveway, and one evening we went out and made smores, and the girls were running around every time they get to a certain point the flood lights would come on and I'm like I bet the owners of this Airbnb are getting really annoyed by all the ring notifications right now, because we're out here running around trying to make s'mores and have fun.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:10] Hm yeah yeah luckily my backyard is fenced in so I don't get any weird notifications from back there if I get a weird notification in the backyard we're going to ask me one of those moments where you're like.

 

[20:34] I actually usually grab the bamboo sword.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:41] Miranda.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:41] Temple sword that someone bought me for Christmas one year typically if I'm going to go outside.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:48] Little baby girl.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:49] That's what I grab because it won't kill you but it hurts.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:55] I'll bet he'll do some serious damage.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:57] We both we both took one shot at each other with it when he bought when you bought it for me and it hurt and neither one of us went all out.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:07] It swings hard enough to break a bone it does, it's because it's got the bamboo and I just swing it it you know it was like this did so it moves like this and then when you hit that it hits you know it's nice all right so I think we're.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:25] Phoenix says it's the next door neighbor's cat on our porch.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:30] I saw cute and I was like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:35] Moshe didn't want to give his.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:36] War within the game.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:38] He want to give his full name.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:41] Zaidie, they keep saying or a demon.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:46] So so we have this cat named Tater Tot in the neighborhood.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:54] Tater tot.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:56] And this is the it is the most evil like you know how like everyone like, cats are full of cats have demons like that kind of thing like this is the one that makes you go yep, like it will it one day walked into my house walked into my office, yeah like I opened the door to get something like a package came I open the door and tater tot just walked in and looked at me and I got like, Kaiju in my office the cats are sitting around and then just walks this cat and I'm like you're gonna die like it get out of my house so, yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:43] Another visitor.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:45] Yeah it's hello other visitor.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:49] I ordered a live light and it hasn't come in yet so they just keep streaming in because whatever so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:58] Yeah mine get that.

 

[23:08] Yeah it's different I don't have a restroom in my office there's no reason you should be coming any one should be coming in here.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:14] Bright things are not.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:16] Other than other than to bring me other than to bring me a drink.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:20] Office.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:21] You know get me bring me my drink because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:24] Your sneak drink.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:25] My Sneak someone brought me my Sneak so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:28] Cool alright so that was our weeks now it's time for, Get To Know the Pastors. Pastor Newms it's your week what does your card read.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:40] I don't know I dropped it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:41] Pick it up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:43] So this is the second card because the first card I decided to read in the pre-show and just wasn't thinking and I'm just reading it going how that's an interesting, that's an interesting question yeah if you could be one of America's Most Wanted but wanted for some great skill you possess, what skill would you want to have that's a weird one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:10] America's Most Wanted like that that draws up images of like a criminal.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:16] I know we're going to try again I don't like that one all this was like a paragraph okay, if you could know one fact about every person you meet what particular fact would you want it to be assumed that the other person would not have to be aware that you know the fact when you meet them so like every person you met above them it would say something what would you want it to be.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:44] I mean we've already answered this from previously yeah for me it was the who's hurt you and in what way so that I can know if you're reacting out of hurt.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:58] Oh yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:00] Remember so you draw another car.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:02] I'm putting them in the back when we're done with him.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:07] I think we did this that but I think that one was in my deck that let us answer that question.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:13] All right, if you could have the original of anything in the world what would you want it to be assumed that you would never be allowed to sell it for money you must simply enjoy it for what it is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:35] Original of anything.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:36] Hm

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:39] Just enjoy.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:56] Mmm-hmm, mmm there's so many things to think of.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:05] Right.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:07] Like like like you could say like the Declaration of Independence because then whenever when other people are alike, you you know I have this pocket version of The Declaration of Independence I carry with me everywhere you're like I got the original back at the house.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:24] At the original back of the house under bulletproof glass.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:29] And it doesn't say that you couldn't charge to show people it just as you couldn't sell it but like the first thing that popped into my hand my head would be like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:42] In the right hand candy candy.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:43] Was would be candy yeah like like the first this ever made because you would never want to eat it because it's gross.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:52] Okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:52] You couldn't sell it but you would just be like this is the first one but but why I don't know I have it, Biggs says CS Lewis's wardrobe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:17] Well he says which wardrobes I think he means Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe like a first edition.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:23] I think he means the actual.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:26] The actual wardrobe that like you should transport yourself to Narnia in.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:29] No no but there it was based on an actual like when he describes it he's describing a wardrobe he owned so I think that's what he means is that original wardrobe, I just I I don't I can't think of anything that I mean now that what Biggs said maybe like, like an original copy of Bram Stoker's Dracula or like an original copy of something like that, that that could be pretty cool I don't have any first-edition books I have one I think it's a third edition Willy Wonka Sorry Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, it's like a third edition it's old as snot but I can't think of anything else.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:34] I can't think of anything at all.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:36] You would want the original Tardis used on set.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:42] No, that thing was a piece of crap.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:52] I don't know I can't think of anything that would be like this.

 

Pastor Bill:

[29:00] I can either put on a side note that he was talking about one Abe Lincoln's land and then she said before he chopped down the cherry tree which then Biggs followed up with, that was George Washington, and the interesting thing is that's not a true story it was a story that was made up to distract people from the actual stories of George Washington that were being passed around about how much he loved the Lord and the Miracles that God had done in his life and.

 

[29:49] So anyway, Biggs says 50 years old Tardis well I have this, Tardis that is the 50th Anniversary Edition it's not an original and it used to be a bobble.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:07] William get your finger out of the TARDIS that's how you lose a finger.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:10] Fake that is how you lose a finger really is it was a finger that way.

 

[30:21] We're going to fall into the swimming pool or something Phoenix says the original helmet that Carrie Fisher and Wicket wore in Star Wars when they shared a sandwich.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:35] Wicket is this is Wicket. Phoenix gave this to me but this is Wicket.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:45] Oh oh oh he's an Ewok.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:48] No he's the most important Ewok.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:54] Still makes him an Ewok even if he's the most important.

 

[31:09] Well since neither one of us can think of something, do we pull another card or.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:13] No we've been through three we're done, I'm going to say I'm going to say a first edition Dracula to be honest.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:24] You want a first edition Dracula.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:25] I've always loved that story and I think it was very very well written.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:33] One of the things Zaidie said was an original of Starry Night by Van Gogh and I just I don't know when I go to museums and I see paintings I just don't I don't feel anything.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:48] I don't feel anything for paintings.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:50] So I'm like I don't think I would appreciate a painting even if it was an original Zaidi also says Jenson Impala, a clear reference to Supernatural.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:03] Yeah Jensen Impala.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:05] Jenson Ackles Impala.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:07] Which I wouldn't want because I'd be too terrified I could kiss a car to look like it but actually having it I would I would be I'd be too much of a train wreck, I would never touch it I would never drive it I would never would just sit somewhere and I don't think it's worth it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:24] You know what I just thought of something that would be cool to have the original of from Quantum Leap, in season 2, what's his name not Sam but the Hologram guy anyway he gets a new Ziggy, Ziggy interface and this is little colorful block looking thing that he uses to talk to the Future one of those the original Ziggy just like put it up on my shelf and be like that's the original Ziggy prop from from Quantum Leap.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:11] Again I'd be too terrified to use them and then they would just sit in a box and it be wasteful.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:16] Well they're prop guns you wouldn't really. If probably even got orange tips that they didn't have to go in and digitally had it out.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:25] I don't know that was that was pre Columbine they might not have, that's the reason why some people have never seen the movie is because it's pretty Columbine by you know just a smidge because it's released week was the same week and so most people did not go.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:46] Wow.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:47] And see it is what I was told I have never actually checked that but I've always said it and just realized that that's a fact.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:56] You're just repeating things you've heard.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:59] Yeah which I normally don't ever do and I just thought about that I've never actually checked that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:06] All right I think we're sufficiently warmed up, so what did we title tonight's episode I know we we workshopped a few titles, Defending The and then you know an ellipse you know being where we can as a placeholder we can put things in, so you and I were talking about one event in scripture specifically that we think, happened twice but some commentaries said it only happened once, and it's not so much the details of the event or how many times it happened but, the concept that it portrays right. So the one event that we were talking about if you guys want to turn to John chapter 2.

 

[35:09] And we get down to verse 13 I'm going to read out of my CSB because that's what I read out of, um the Jewish Passover was near and so Jesus went up to Jerusalem and the temple he found people selling oxen sheep and doves and he also found the money changers sitting there, after making a whip of cords he drove everyone out of the temple with their sheep and oxen, he also poured out the money changers Cohen's and overturn the tables he told those who were selling doves get these things out of here stop turning my father's house into a market place.

 

[35:48] Um and his disciples remembered that it is written Zeal for your house will consume me all right.

 

[35:56] So Jesus shows up on the Passover, and there's some debate about whether or not this is the same event talked about in Matthew, Mark, and Luke although there's so one side says this happened at the first Passover after Jesus was baptized, and that the other events recorded by Matthew Mark and Luke happens on the Monday before he was crucified, and then there are other commentaries that say that, John tells the story out of order and they believe it's the same event and they're not wrong John does tell things out of order, but we don't know, contextually it feels like John is saying that this happened.

 

[36:52] That first pass over after his baptism but, even I've preached that you know Jean makes a point of not putting things in the correct order, because the order didn't matter what mattered was proving that Jesus fulfilled the signs that needed to be fulfilled to prove he was the Messiah that was the point of John's, all the way through was this is the Messiah and here's the evidence.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:28] Yep yep.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:31] Um and so it doesn't matter if it happened once or twice the fact is that Jesus comes to Jerusalem.

 

[37:38] And I'm going to I'm going to read between the lines here for you he found people selling oxen sheep and doves okay, so when a passover would happen Jews would come in from all over the place I'm not going to say all over the world because there were no Jews like, in North America yet at that wasn't a thing at this point in time I know the Mormons say there were and they can say that all they want I need some, archaeological evidence of that to buy into that but I'm not going to say they weren't there, it could have happened but I've never seen any archaeological evidence to back that up anyway they would come from all over the let's say Known World to celebrate Passover in Jerusalem, they would have all this foreign currency and they would be coming from Far Far Away and there were certain personal sacrifices that need to be made, and traveling this distance it became difficult for them to bring, The Oxen the sheep and the doves that they needed to bring and so, as as an allowance for them to come and still make these sacrifices required by Jewish law.

 

[39:03] They set up a system where they would were you know people could sell there, sacrifice the Bullocks in sacrifice will sheep and sacrifice will doves and this became a normal thing and they would, they started out doing it outside of the Temple, and it was out in the streets and eventually it became centralized and then they started moving it into the temple to make it easier for everyone, so it wasn't crowding the streets and so that the Gentiles that were coming through didn't have to worry about it you know, can I hide it from the Romans so I kind of been out of sight out of mind type of thing so you know it's understandable how they got to where they got where they were doing this inside the temple, and selling the sheep and selling the jobs and selling me oxen the problem is that, they then weren't respecting the temple anymore they had, diminish the value of the temple right and not only that but then the money changers were in there too, and so there's a few things going on here one like I said they're bringing foreign currency in from all over the world and the money changes are there and they're exchanging the money.

 

[40:28] So that people can buy their sacrifice however they're turning a profit.

 

[40:36] Off of exchanging that money, so they're making a profit in the temple off of the people that have been needing to buy their sacrifices to make their sacrifices and there's even records that they took it a step further,

they would loan money to people who came into town from out of town and basically give them what amounts to a payday loan, payday loans are either like 700 percent interest and it's illegal under Jewish law to charge interest,

to another Jew period but they were they were giving these loans to people who didn't bring money who needed to buy a sacrifice, and charging them absorbing interest amounts, um and sending out a little up inside the temple right so Jesus makes this whip out of cords, and he goes in and he drives them all out Newman's and I were talking about this week, we agree we fully agree that we believe some people got hit not just oxen and sheep, but there's some debate some other people believe that Jesus would never hit another person with a whip and so they believe that he only used the whip to drive out the oxidant sheet and the other people ran to because they were afraid,

the Bible doesn't say either way.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:02] Yeah it can.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:03] Specifically say that someone got hit.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:05] It can kind of be taken a little bit both ways, I've always been taught he drove them out and drove.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:16] Me too that's what I was into.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:17] Drove is that word that, you use when you are hurting people they pushing them you know and so there is some, thought process I personally believe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:41] Yeah and so, the point there you know is not, did he hit someone did he not hit someone excessive point of tonight the point of tonight is, he drove them out of the temple whether you say he hit people or not that drove is the Worthy is he drove the oxen him and the sheep and the the doves out he told the people selling the doves to get out of there and stop making my father's house into a market place he did all of this in defense, of the Temple of this holy place, and of the people that were being taken advantage of by the money changers and by the people who are selling the sacrifices, and Biggs brought up a good point if if I'm sitting there trying to make a profit and you come up and you're flipping my tables, I'm trying to get my profit and I might get hit by that whip I'm probably gonna get hit by that with well I'm trying to grab my profit, that you're flipping my tables on.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:51] A good Ferangi would would sacrifice to get that gold.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:54] Good for baby we're not Ferangi here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:58] I get confused I'm sorry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[44:02] This is a human activity not a Ferengi activity.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:05] Okay okay I'm back.

 

Pastor Bill:

[44:07] If you listening and you haven't been following along in the Star Trek game that Newms and I play we are in an alliance, where we are role-playing as Ferengi from Star Trek and so everything is about profit and everything is about, you know making a deal everything's it's a lot of fun to pretend to be a Ferengi and there's a lot of these people in this game they're like, guys you are clowns this is ridiculous we're just wanting to trying to play a game and we're like yeah we're just trying to play a game is fun.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:37] Yeah yeah we we have definitely taken it too far sometimes and it is funny I every day I say I wish you all a profitable day you know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[44:49] Suicidal profitable day that one guy this morning was like I would profit but somebody keeps hitting my ships, and we're like yep that's us we're the guys in your chips.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:00] I'm profiting alright back on track sorry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:07] So that's the the one event that we wanted it I wanted to talk about you everything you wanted to add to what I said there about this event in particular.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:18] So the big thing for me with with that event and then the subsequent possible event where it's done again is the point of, you know Jesus did it not just oftentimes people portray it he got angry because they were defiling the temple and he got angry because, they were they made it a market but in that making a profit off of, religion is always something I've had a problem with mainly because of this, because it's not we shouldn't be making a profit like you know hi I raised this sheep it's worth 10 gold I'm gonna sell it for 12.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:21] Paul said he had every right to earn pay for bringing the gospel but in both cases he refused to be paid, because he wasn't sharing the gospel to get money.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:39] There's a difference between feed me clothe me Place me somewhere which in this culture is not in modern day it's a little harder which is why we typically pay salaries to our, pastors and teachers and such but it definitely.

 

[47:04] There are some people who have taking it way too far in time and it's definitely something that, makes Christianity look really really bad so, that that's that's my whole thing is we can't take advantage you shouldn't be taking advantage of people of oh yeah I'll pray for you if you pay me hey Al, I'll you know things like that is just it's it's too much and yeah I know you need to sacrifice but you got to pay an, do you know a fee to get in the building you know things like that is just it's crazy and, if Jesus was walking the Earth in a physical form he'd be flipping your tables so don't do that don't do it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:56] Yeah I'm just double-checking that other event in Matthew Mark and Luke right quick see if I have anything else to add.

 

Pastor Newms:

[48:06] It's not too much detail in that one there are no I believe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[48:09] No there isn't.

 

Pastor Newms:

[48:11] If I'm believing correctly from where I looked a couple hours ago, there's no Oxyn mentioned in those ones and there's no whip and people that believe that it was two separate events, I believe that's because you didn't need the whip, because there weren't auction because you can't you know you can push you can release doves easily you don't need a whip for that you can't move oxygen without without something but, you know there are those people who believe it's one event as we mentioned in the beginning its kind of, debated in Christian circles a little.

 

[48:58] I've always been taught and believed to events but that's me cuz they're different enough to make you wonder.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:12] They are pretty different.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:13] Yeah because one specifically talks about Passover and if I'm not mistaken the other three do not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:39] Also in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus stays in the temple and has teaching and healing sessions and in John he immediately goes out and they ask him by what Authority he's doing it, no driving them out and and he answers them in and then they move on he there's no mention in John of him staying and preaching and healing people, in the Book of John.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:16] I've always thought two events there are some Scholars that.

 

[50:24] Not that I would classify myself as a scholar but I don't believe that way.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:27] The chronology that I have you know that I have saved on my iPad says that the one in John is about a year and a half after his, baptism and one in Matthew Mark and Luke it dates as the Monday before his crucifixion which would be, two years three years later something like that and side note I find it interesting.

 

[51:03] That when they talk about the temple they say we built this Temple for 46 years and, and then he and then it says but he's Jesus talking about the Temple of his body his 46 years right and when Jesus goes out into the desert to be tempted, he's there for 40 something, days and nights we just say 40 days and nights because it kind of fits with the you know the flood game but it doesn't actually say 40 days now this is 40 something days and nights,

which then leads some Scholars to believe that Jesus was 46 when he was crucified, and that he was born much earlier than, Caesar Augustus thought and crucified later than some calendars have placed it.

 

[52:19] Yeah like we know almost for certain, that Jesus was not born in the year 1 AD he is most likely born in early six ad, or early 8th ad somewhere in between them, BC 6 BC or 8 BC not a.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:47] Yeah I was like um I'm a wait for you to finish before I go.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:50] Say eight years yeah six to eight years earlier than Caesar Augustus thought when he created our current calendar.

 

[53:05] So even before to say you know people who hold on to the BC means before Christ and AD means ad hominem meaning you know after Christ or after, after Incarnation some like that well you know okay but, they're wrong that's the whole calendar systems wrong so you don't have to hold on to that name or you can say before Common Era and you can say come and see you don't see Ian BCE that's fine because the calendar is wrong,

he wasn't born in 1 AD.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:40] Yeah it's always hard with, historical dates past a certain point before we had you know Standard time because it gets it gets real fuzzy sometimes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:00] Okay so I don't like having dentures when you had teeth and you have a cough drop in your mouth it pretty much stays where you want it to be, with Dentures I just took a drink of my tea and accidentally swallowed my cough drop, because the teeth aren't there in the right place to hold it in place okay so the other event that we were going to look at over the next 6 minutes or so if you'll turn to John chapter.

 

[54:37] We want to be fully transparent on this show you know we want to be Bereans we want to lay everything out, John chapter 7 verse 53 through John chapter 8 verse 11, does not exist in the oldest manuscripts that we have access, the oldest manuscripts they found John chapter 7 enzymes verse 52 and John chapter 8 verse 1, is what modern Bibles have marked as verse 12 in John chapter 8 where it says Jesus spoke to them again I am the light of the world anyone who follows me will never walk in the darkness but will have the light of life, now the younger manuscripts that we found all have them.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:32] Now real quick is that why in the Nasby and the CSB there's brackets around that whole section.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:42] Yes, because the younger manuscripts all the younger manuscripts that we have have it and more younger manuscripts have it than older manuscripts who do, and that's the defining marker for, do we keep it in our modern Bibles or not is what is the majority of many shirts we have have, and in this case the majority of manuscripts have it but they're all the younger manuscripts the oldest ones don't have it so one of two things, either a gate got added,

because someone remembered it happened or someone, um thought it should be in there because it shows an aspect of Jesus that they know to be true or fake just wanted it to be there you know you got added for some reason or be,

it got removed, because someone didn't like what it said.

 

[56:50] And then after certain amount of time someone realized it had been removed and put it back in, because we don't have the originals right we have copies of copies of copies of copies probably seven iterations removed from the original is the oldest manuscript we have, and so we're talking you know it was written and then it was copied and copied and copied and copied and copied and copied and copied that's the oldest we have. So full disclosure this may not have ever happened.

 

[57:31] Now there are people who talk about the inerrancy of the Bible and if it's in there then it happened because the Bible is perfect and yada yada okay we can speak to that and and personally, anything made by a human even inspired by God, cannot be perfect period.

 

[57:58] Even anything Jesus did while he was on the Earth, wasn't quote-unquote perfect if it was then little Jesus Carpenter as a teenager would be making tables that we still have today, because they'd be perfect and those perfect tables wouldn't degrade and they'd still be standing and we still have them and we could point to them and go see that table Jesus made that table that's perfect because he was God, anyway does that make sense.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:33] I know what you mean but I could see where someone might take it a different way.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:44] All I'm saying is this is a human book that contains Divine wisdom.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:52] Yes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:53] This is not a god written book that is.

 

[59:09] And it has to be breathe through human beings who then add their own slant on things and their own experiences and their own interpretations of what God wants and wants to say right.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:24] Which is why we have situations like Paul saying Peters wrong on this part and you're like but but you both wrote half of the same book.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:35] And then Peter saying now I don't understand the things that Paul's preaching but he's got some good stuff over there. Okay. So we're starting in John chapter 7 verse 53 then each one went to his house but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives, at dawn he went to the temple again and all the people were coming to him he sat down and began to teach them then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery making her stand in the center, teacher they said to him this woman was caught in the act of committing adultery in the law Moses commanded us to Stone such women so what do you say, they asked us to trap him in order that they might have evidence to accuse him.

 

[1:00:32] Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with his finger, when they persisted in questioning him he stood up and said to them the one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her,

he stooped down again and continued writing on the ground, when they heard this they left one by one starting with the older men only he was left and the woman in the center when Jesus stood up he said to her woman where are they has no one condemned you, no one Lord she answered neither do I condemn you said Jesus go from now on and do not sin anymore.

 

[1:01:16] So they bring this woman who is caught in adultery, cool except the law also requires the man to be brought and put to death as well there's no man brought this is part of the tribe, um and Jesus, instead of condemning the woman and instead of focusing on her sins I mean he does say go and sin no more, he stands in defense of her against this mob of men, that are wanting to kill her, the law says she should be killed the Old Testament demands that she be killed right and there's a lots of things at the Old Testament demands, be killed for breaking the law, in Leviticus, man who lay with men women who lay with women women who lay with animals men who lay with animals men who gather firewood on the Sabbath.

 

[1:02:33] Men who wear women's clothes to get out of going to war women who wear men's clothes to go to war, what are the other things that are death death penalty of was offering incense to the Lord when you're not a Levite,

offering an incense that you made yourself not using the prescribed in sense that God gave to Moses I mean we can go on and on and on all the things that the Old Testament says this person must die.

 

[1:03:06] And in this situation Jesus says wait a second this is a human being and no I don't require her death because. None of you are, and that stuff that was written in the Old Testament maybe it was true then I'm going to say that I'm going to say maybe that was what God wanted because once again, those are Moses's interpretations of what God wanted right, and Jesus says well if you're so blameless, then go ahead and kill her but if any of you have sinned.

 

[1:04:05] Will happen not not by my command, so he sends up in defense of this person that he knows is sinning she was caught in adultery straight up caught me ends she's guilty, and Jesus stands up in her defense, despite what the law says despite what the cultural norm was despite what everyone around them thought was right and then he tells her I don't condemn you either.

 

[1:04:48] And yet so often the church and its members condemn people, because we deem them guilty when Jesus says I don't condemn you for that.

 

[1:05:10] Now go live your life and don't give in to the things that are sabotaging you don't do things that cause an angry mob to pull you out in the street and demand you to be killed. And leaves it in her hands, you make the decision what are you going to do I don't condemn you for what you're doing and I'll Stand in your defense against people who do condemn you. And that's the other point I wanted to bring up in this in defense of, Jesus stands in defense I'll because they asked him to he stands in defense of those who need to be defended, right stands up for what's right in defense of others and that's all I have for tonight.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:12] So the other two big things that are death penalties are, being disrespectful to your parents.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:23] Hmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:24] Having a spirit of divination not not not, completing divination not practicing divination but having a spirit of divination were death penalties as well, and then the lord's name in vain and some of the other ones you list.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:44] So having a spirit of divination would be pursuing the magical Arts pursuing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:53] That terms.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:54] Population of the spirit that's what it is pursuing manipulation of the spirit.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:01] But I think it's I think it's, real important you know the the grace aspect is extremely important and then you know we were talking earlier about the go and sin no more, and how you know that word their used is not, go and don't break the Commandments it's the same word that's used throughout the new testament which is going be perfect don't don't miss the mark so it's not, I mean when Jesus said it he knew it's not possible what he was saying he was saying it's more, go you know try to be better not go be perfect because you can't, and I think that's something we definitely have to always look at and always view is what is perfect what is sin what is you know, but more importantly Grace and love, so that's my part.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:19] Nice I like it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:40] I also like I also like the the story of you know the bending down in the getting up that Greek word can also mean to look up so he literally could have just gone. Hmm and then kept writing when he looked up it wasn't necessarily a stand-up that that word can mean either and.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:15] Look up and I hope so yeah.

 

[1:09:27] I don't know I kind of like. I usually like the way the CSB you know phrases things but in the KJV here I kind of like the way it translates 8 9 and they which heard it being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one,the CSB translation are loses someone it says when they heard this they left one by.

 

[1:10:01] It's like we were talking about last week you know the King James version has a very poetic feel to it because that was the focus you know, making out running at work of poetry anyway so that's all I have for tonight,

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Pastor Newms:

[1:11:16] It's one of those words like this show they've really done a good job of making this easy.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:21] They really did the hardest part was, submitting episodes to Apple for them to go through and make sure that we weren't violating any of their standards before they would let us post on Apple which, even that it wasn't really that bad so they made they made it sound worse than it really ended up being, so yeah so come join us on a Sunday evening and enjoy the podcast if you are and that's what we have for this week so have a good week.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:04] Stay safe out there.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:06] We forgot I forgot 30-second but.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:10] Okay yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:10] 30 second buffer 30 second buffer has been 30 seconds yet of course not that's not how time works 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buff, I love you guys have a great week and then now you're supposed to say.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:28] All right guys be safe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:30] Yes and then I say until next time.

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