Pastor Bill:

[0:10] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 43 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. We are meeting today me here and Pastor Newms in

 

[0:34] Tennessee. Sorry about that pause there. Hey Pastor Newms can you stop sharing your screen in Teams? I can't seem to get you to pin because you're sharing your screen. Yeah there we go, now I can see you all right yeah. So yeah, so this is our warm up here because we record live,

on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, if you're listening to this as a podcast you are more than welcome and encouraged to come join us at 6:30 p.m. on Sunday evenings. We have a Twitch channel that we stream live to, a Facebook Channel we stream live to and a YouTube channel that we stream live to. And you can go to ekk.house to find out what those channels are and then you can join us live on Sunday and interact with us through type in those channels and those also get forwarded to our Discord Channel where their in the Discord Channel we can talk back.

 

[1:52] Join us, we have a good old time we have a good old time so if you want to see our faces instead of just listening to a podcast you can join us on Sunday evening.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:04] I would I would say that's not the important part, no seeing our faces is not the important part. Joining in on the conversation because neither one of us care anything about our faces I don't even want you to look at my face he just makes me be on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:20] You know how much time I put into straightening and conditioning and beard, bombing my beard, to get ready for tonight.

 

[2:31] I care about my face bro.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:35] You can be vain if you'd like to.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:37] It's not vanity I just want to look nice because I respect our listeners.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:42] I just want anyone to look at me I did turn up the intro music so it will be interesting to see if it is way too loud or if it's way too quiet this time because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:55] Been a little soft yeah track gotta find that.

 

[3:06] We will figure it out.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:08] And then adjust the happy medium because nothing changed except for some reason the medium.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:14] Yeah for some reason the medium became less me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:29] Ooooh, fire not that they can see it because we're not on camera.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:32] See it all I can see now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:34] Minute and a half.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:48] It is it is my turn to use a card I have my deck right here ready for when that's time I got my fresh Dr. Pepper I just opened and I have my pile of cough drops.

 

[4:13] You're right.

 

[4:27] No I do.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:28] There was a Tic Tok of these parents and they're like when you sneeze it's cool say it with me allergy and little kids like Coronavirus.

 

[4:39] She like no allergies 30 seconds and so that's I was watching one this morning of that because we had that issue this, where she got sick at school and they were like go home it might be a Corona.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:15] Once again hello and welcome to season 3 episode 43 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Tonight's episode, yes I'm gonna do another soft open so don't get your, your feelings in a bunch over there Pastor Newms. I'ma do a soft open we're talking about what we know about fear, can teach us about faith.

 

[5:47] And we're going to draw some correlations between fear and faith, and we're probably going to have some disagreements between myself and Pastor Newms, maybe at different points of the evening and I dropped my pen, I got these cool pins this week I needed I needed this desk pens and I got this pack of pins, you get these cool little you know fleur design on it and this particular one is pink and there was a green one and a blue one.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:14] I'm sorry I'm sorry backup I'm sorry backup, it has one on it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:22] Fluer, the French word for for this kind of design yes yes yes calligraphic fluer.

 

[6:44] We're joined by BiggsGFG on Twitch, he says something about spiders. I don't know what he's talking about and we've got Phoenix joining us on Twitch hey Phoenix, and you too could have your handle called out if you join us live on Sunday evenings oh Biggs is saying he fears spiders nice, Newms you're making eyeballs why are you making those eyeball like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:13] No reason.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:17] Staring off camera like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:21] The wife entered the room no that's full thank.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:26] It's the wife.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:27] She was bring me my sneak because I completely forgot to make my sneak or ask someone to make my sneak.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:35] So she snuck into.

 

[7:42] Instead of playing it off you highlighted it don't roll out of camera shot hey Pastor Newms how was your week this week.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:50] It was a week I was very very busy at work, talk about the thing I can talk about.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:03] You talk about the thing you can now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:04] I can now yeah so I have been you know haven't talked about it on here just because can't talk about things that gets shoved out into the public until things are real.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:16] Well you know there's a certain certain modicum of respect and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:19] Yeah so I was looking for a new job to move on from my current company and nothing terrible, nothing like oh my gosh this company is terrible you know unethical I hate my job it was just time for a move, I have dealt with that but we won't get into there and so I did accept a new position this week, and so I am starting there on the 15th it looks now you're now it's completely in the camera.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:55] I was it how's that that better.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:58] It's up to you there's nothing your camera your camera your microphone used to be completely in the shot I don't know why you're so worried about it being out of the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:05] I know I don't know why you keep saying talking about it when it goes into the.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:11] Because you said I don't want it in the shot and I don't understand why but that's why I've told you it's in the shot I don't care you have a nice microphone that if it was a if it was a duct taped crooked.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:25] I could add duct tape to my mic.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:28] I will make you move it out of no I'm fine.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:31] That would look so cool Newms.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:32] No it no I'm okay with the rug behind you we start duct taping things and I'm going to have an issue.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:38] Hey that's my wall rug man that sounds like walrus wall rug.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:40] I don't care what it is okay so my week was good.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:46] You don't like my wall rug?

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:48] I just I've never really liked the wall rug it's not a.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:54] Tapestries.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:55] No I don't like tapestries especially when it's not a tapestry when it's straight up an outdoor rug that you stapled to the wall and called a tapestry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:05] That's not stapled, I used nails.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:08] Yeah you did I'm just harassing you because you know I can, my walls used to look just as bad let's be honest, and I tried the green screen there thing for awhile there that didn't work well, not for me it works for some people I've seen some people pull it off very well I don't know what it is I think it's the fact of what I don't like to have lights on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:36] I think it's your face it's doesn't it's not suited for green screen or something I don't know.

 

[10:45] Anyway you were talking about your week.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:47] So my week was good I'm just working on the transition and wrapping up the one company and getting you know on board it onto the new one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:57] Cool cool cool.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:58] So that's always interesting.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:03] Oh man you're going to hate me when you go to process audio.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:06] What did you do.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:08] I moved my mic I turned it down my mic volume I move my mic again that I turned down my mic volume again so this can be parts of it that are going to be blown up and parts of it are we.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:19] I'm going to I'm going to make it a little smaller and I'm going to line it up to where it sounds okay and that's all I'm going to do and if you start bouncing in the middle of everything else that's not my fault, I'm not going to cut it and I'm not an audio engineer, whatever you send me is getting used the way you send it to me I love you but I don't even check my audio I'm like did it bounce cool all right it's on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:43] Okay well I'll make some adjustments on my end where I know it needs to be adjusted before I send it to you then.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:49] That's fine you do you boo boo.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:53] Boo boo already done talking about your week yet.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:04] Seven and a half eight ten years ago, and it was fun it's fun that's one of the games were planning on starting streaming here in the next couple of days or week or whatever we get that going since your computer supposed to be in soon but that's part of your week not part of my week so that's okay, and I think that's everything I'm a good villain I push someone off a building.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:35] Descendants enough of building today.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:37] Didn't even know it was possible I'm like what is this citizen doing here went to talk to him, and I just shoved him off the building I was like oh I just killed that person like it's one thing to like, partially beat up a citizen and and steal their purse it's a whole nother thing to push them straight off a building like that's just I was like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:58] Now to be just just just roll this out a little bit more we aren't playing like Grand Theft Auto playing DC Universe Online.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:09] Were you have to be a hero or a villain so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:15] We chose to go villain because we're already heroes in real life so, we have a strong moral code in real life that we allowed to dictate what we do, and it's heavily tied in with our ethical beliefs, and so when we're role-playing online sometimes we go villain because we don't get to do villainy stuff in real life.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:41] Plus you know there's the whole thing about jail.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:47] Jail I can be a villain just as easily in jail as I can out of jail.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:51] I don't want to go to jail I'm too pretty for jail I like air conditioning soft towels I mean there's a whole list of reasons to not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:02] I don't not do things out of fear jail that's not my motivation I don't do things because those are wrong to do.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:13] Me either I agree Pastor Bill.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:16] Wow.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:17] You anything out of knowing something is wrong and that's the reason I don't do it as.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:22] All right take off your Veil take off your Veil and be real don't be Moses.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:26] No I mean there's a lot of things I would do because my moral code is a little, no see that's the thing Biggs I'm worried about things like towels and soft beds and and things like that the things that are terrible about jail, I wouldn't worry is me as much as the minor inconveniences that would drive me batty.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:54] It's a lot of there's a lot of Prisons where you don't get a towel unless you can afford one from the commissary they tell you to shake off like a dog.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:02] There's there's a there's a, I know that I just I couldn't do it but like that's the crazy thing is is I'm so, like when people are like hey what error would you like to live in this one possibly the next one because it should be nicer like I don't want to go back, and right now is a great time because I really can go out and get an Axe and and, LARP with a with an axe with other people wearing axes and shields if I really some mean if I really wanted to even do that I could just go do it, I'm already a nerd look behind me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:50] All right so how was my.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:52] How was your week Pastor Bill.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:54] Excellent segue, so my week this week as you said we started playing that one game mainly in anticipation for my new computer that was scheduled to come in on Friday afternoon after, hey weeks eight weeks of waiting, but there was Chip shortage and so it wasn't like it wasn't like anybody's fault that it was delayed it was just straight up, situational issues with everything going on in the world today, and so then on Friday morning anyway I got an email from UPS, due to Hurricane Ida my delivery got pushed back to Tuesday afternoon so day after tomorrow, at the time that we recording this life.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:46] And the idea correct me if I'm wrong Pastor Bill was to start a character, in anticipation so that way we could understand and be able to start streaming right off the gate, but and this was a game I suggested because you might enjoy it because of your love of DC and it may be something you enjoy and I've played it you know, many many years ago and I played it till I burnt out and then walked away so I'd be willing to try it again but hey maybe you'll like it, he's like I don't I don't want to wait and because it's an old game the computer I currently have can technically play it so let's play it till I get the new computer and then we'll play it more I'm like all right cool no problem, and I'm leveling a character with you and then we'll go to the other character that I already have that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:53] Some streaming to that in Gaming With The Pastors.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:59] Will probably only be on Twitch we're not using the church's out for that so that will only be on the Twitch channel that is the Pastor Newms Twitch Channel and then possibly.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:12] Join and watch that show, that streaming those streaming things that'll only be on Twitch and you can go to our website ekk.house that is e as in elephant and then K as in kite and K is in ketchup, dot house like you live in a house ekk.house.

 

[18:43] So is kangaroo.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:44] Watch you loss watch you lose yeah we're going to get killed a lot so at the moment.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:03] And we're winning like crazy right now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:05] Yeah like you have to like you have to really really really really really mess up to die but, which while Pastor Bill was having some electrical issues yesterday, I went on to play my other character for a little while to get him caught up to the same point because there's been so much content in the 397 3097 days that I was AFK which was just funny to read but the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:43] Hey is almost 10 years that's like eight years.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:46] Yeah and they just went through their 10-year anniversary and I played for a good while with one of our other friends from North Texas, so yeah it was it was I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:58] Of K for 8 years.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:00] I died I died several times to actual content and I was like something is wrong and then I realized what was wrong and I fixed it and it was more of that, that I had missed so now.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:15] It is now time for Get To Know The Pastor's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:18] The thingy cards.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:21] Okay are you ready Pastor knew.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:22] No I'm never ready for this segment.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:25] Excellent that pull this out and wrong order.

 

[20:38] Weird last time we pulled the card it was if you were to die tomorrow what little thing would you regret not doing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:46] Yep.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:47] And this week's card is what is your greatest regret.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:52] Your deck is just like a whole bunch of the same questions.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:01] Which Talent would you most like to have.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:07] Define talent.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:10] I'm not telling.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:14] Like something a normal human can do not like something crazy not a superpower a talent right.

 

[21:44] Something that would hugely altar, like my life I can't think of anything small like I'd like to be able to juggle I don't care about any of that kind of stuff but if anything I would like to be able to, play games as efficiently as I could 15 years ago because my hands don't work the same anymore, and my thumb goes you know because I shake my thumb just goes it for and, I mess up my rotations and so I can't play a lot of competitive games anymore because of it which is frustrating so I would like to be able to play competitively, and I could even throw in the word again cuz in my early twenties I could before my, inflammation disorder got worse and worse arthritis and etcetera what about you Pastor Bill what would you like to be able to do in life.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:11] It's not my lack of shuffling skills it's my lack of luck.

 

[23:20] I have the worst look if anyone I've ever met.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:22] It looks pretty bad.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:26] So I guess you know if I if I if there was a talent I would like to have I would like to have a better look.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:34] Phoenix is trying to use logic tell Phoenix to stop using logic.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:42] Phoenix I already went through the deck and threw away the cards that were inappropriate.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:47] There's a difference between inappropriate and just bad.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:53] Hmm we'll just now I took out the cards that we hit already done and then shuffle them, twice with the you know the flip method and then I, cool and stick method so they've been reshuffled now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:13] And the other ones are put where where did you put the ones that are bad, already done or we skipped.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:26] So we I pull from the Dark Side and then I put them into the light side so I know that they're the ones that are already dead dad who dad, done and bad together.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:41] Several of them have been bad so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:48] And some of them have been duplicates of your.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:51] Yep yep and I think I think mine are better just because I mean like every one of those is one, like mine's not like a deck I mean I've got like, this is a whole I'm pulling from the middle so we don't mess up put like it's a whole stack of them.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:15] Cards is it because I've got a hundred and four.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:19] More a crap ton, I just messed up the deck I tried really hard not to and a bunch fell on the bottom, I don't know if it says on it the girls bought this for us my two girls that live here the two adult girls found this and got them for me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:47] You don't know how many cards today.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:48] I don't know I'm going to look in a second it might.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:52] My video feed is on the home Wi-Fi.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:58] And he hasn't had as many issues you only froze.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:04] My video feed is on the cellular service.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:08] This is question to spark conversations hundred and fifty six cards.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:21] You definitely have more than me by 52.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:22] Yeah see the crazy thing is is now you're you're having issues.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:28] Video issues I'll get back on the Wi-Fi.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:29] Yeah it's back its back okay but yeah I find that to be interesting.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:36] You never know I just I just never know what's going to happen.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:41] Yeah that's weird, just the fact that you would think the opposite not that because I know your Wi-Fi I know where you get your Wi-Fi from you would think you'd have better cell surface.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:59] You really would you think that my AT&T cell service would be better than the, dish on top of my house appointed, receiving from several miles away.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:10] We talked about it now you're Frozen.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:17] My Frozen now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:18] Yeah and now it's crappy quality.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:32] We shouldn't here I'll fix it you ready all better how's that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:34] Yeah no no because then it's just my face.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:40] Yep it's just your face now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:42] I can pull that picture I made if you that one day and.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:45] Oh no don't do that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:46] I can do it when you when your video was completely dead and we only had so it was just, because that was the picture I got.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:00] Absolutely all right well I think we're sufficiently warmed up is Zaydiee not going to join us tonight.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:08] I just think she's not talking.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:10] Okay usually sounds off by now that she's here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:13] I hear you from the living room so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:20] So she's somebody's watching well we know Phoenix is watching if she's there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:21] Someone's watching haha she spoke.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:27] Up there's is Zaydeii19 sounds off on Twitch, and you can too if you join us on Sunday yeah this I don't know why that I feel in such a such a push for inviting people on this episode to join us live on Sunday night, seriously if you're not doing anything else on Sunday nights we got a you know you should come and be a part of the conversation live, and ask questions and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:57] You're just having a night.

 

Pastor Bill:

[29:00] I am well I mean it's a weekend thing it's the whole weekend just shot just.

 

Pastor Newms:

[29:09] Do you want to talk about your electricity issues.

 

Pastor Bill:

[29:13] Sure five o'clock yesterday all the power here just went off and I was like what just happened oh look at that my audio, when I turn my camera back on my audio on my phone came back on so I was getting an echo all right so all the power for my desk comes from a plug right back,

it all went down the air conditioner over there went down and I went to check on it and it was like a line that followed around this into the house and then across the skip to plug, and then continued on the front of the house the porch light the thing we have the TV plug into all the way to the other the room on the other end of the house, those plugs and then across that side of the house to the far side of the house to all went out and I check the breaker box are all on the same line, and the lines getting power but then somewhere between the line getting power and this first plug here.

 

[30:19] The powers not getting here and, so now it's trying to track that down and I found a short in this plug thinking this plug is part of it too but this plug right over here in front of me is not part of it too and so I fixed the short that wasn't actually causing any problems only to find out,

it wasn't part of the problem so now I'm going to have to call an electrician on Tuesday because I'm not paying labor day prices for an electrician to come out to my home, and the last time I had electric problems every electrician I called said they were not doing residential work until the pandemic was over, except for one this little old man who I don't think is going to want to crawl under my house to try to figure out what's going on, so I don't know what I'm going to do.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:20] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:21] So if you know any electricians in the Decatur Texas area that do residential electric work even though we're in the middle of a pandemic.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:31] And for a trailer.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:33] and for a 37 year old trailer, have them send me an email info@ekklesianhouse.com or info@ekk.house You know I found out that some some internet services won't let you put ekk.house as the email address, when you stand up for something or even trying to send an email, there's certain programs that won't accept .house

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:02] Yeah there's some people who have it programmed for the old style of programming where it had to be a.com because that was the only domain that actually allowed emails and so the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:13] So then you got dot-org and info and done.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:17] But a lot of them that is one of the requirements for.

 

[32:26] Those aspects.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:27] He has better work ethics than you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:30] The little man witch.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:32] What did he say about his work ethic it's about can you physically get down on the ground and crawl underneath my house.

 

[32:46] No I respect him I think he would go.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:49] Because he did a really good job with your last electrical issue when.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:52] He did an amazing job.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:54] Yeah so now we're not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:57] So he pieced together and built an outside breaker box from pieces that weren't supposed to work together because everything in here is, Jury rigged to work and so it took him forever and he got it done and get it done well and it looks amazing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:18] So we love the little man we're just not sure if he wants to get underneath the falling apart trailer where there's literally.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:29] Okay so we are definitely sufficiently warmed up now so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:31] Yes we are we are longer than we normally warm up I'm sorry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:36] Yeah well yeah I know what I'm listen to other podcasts like podcast is that talking Trek I wasn't talking check podcast which is, live right now with 26 people on the Discord listening to them they like at the beginning it's like a to our podcast and at the beginning they spend like 20 minutes, talking about, okay and then the for 40 minutes they talked about the Star Trek game that you and I play that newms and I place Star Trek Fleet command and then for the next 30 minutes they talk about sports again, and for the last 30 minutes they usually talk about the only information that I'm there for, and so I'm like this hurts my brain I don't want to hear about sports and your opinion on Sports this is not a sports podcast why why are you talking about sports, shut up and get back to the actual content that your podcast is about.

 

[34:53] So we apologize if we frustrated you with the last 35 minutes of warm up and getting to know us and hearing good things about our lives but we didn't talk about.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:04] But at least it wasn't Sports.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:08] The only time we're going to talk about sports on this podcast is.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:13] Supposed to.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:13] The commercials when we talked about the commercials that ran, in the Super Bowl, that is when we will talk about sports when women talk about those.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:24] Someone at work this week we were in a meeting and they started talking about one of the Tennessee teams and something about them and then like what do you think about it and I said I'm currently sitting at my desk wearing a Marvel t-shirt, I didn't even I don't even know what sport season were in.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:44] I don't even I don't even know what team that is.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:46] But now I do now.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:49] Is that foosball where they ride the horse and they got that ball made of pig skin and they have to kick it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:54] Okay stop combining things like I even know I even know more than that okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:58] And then they're like home run go.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:01] We go we're done I'm fearful for how this is going to go ha ha ha ha.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:09] I always use that to poke fun at people who talk about sports and they asked me a question about a sport I'll be like is that the one where they and then I just start piecing random pieces of different sports together that I know about, because that's what it sounds like to me when they're talking about their Sports they're like, and he flip its the widget and I'm like I don't understand what you just said, I have no idea what you're talking about flip it's the widget okay all right so what do we know about fear that can teach us about faith.

 

[36:52] And the reason is important to talk about this is because well obviously these three remain faith hope and love so faith is one of our you know one of our core tenant areas that we talked about and, it's surprising to me how often I talk to people who are like.

 

[37:13] I just don't know how to have.

 

[37:18] I don't know how to exercise faith I don't know what that means to have faith don't understand faith I don't understand the concept of faith I don't understand how this whole, Faith the size of a mustard seed thing works what does that even mean A Little Bit of Faith Can blah blah blah, and it's this concept that people have such a hard time wrapping their brains around, but the the simple answer is and if you want to turn this podcast off after I say the simple answer because it really is just this is the answer, and then we're going to you know expound upon that the simple answer is that you already know how to have faith, and it comes naturally to you expressed as fear, fear is your natural human expression of faith, faith is a spiritual expression that comes naturally to your spirit but your spirits done in control of your body your body is, and for the human flesh fear, is the natural reaction to something that you believe without evidence.

 

[38:44] And faith is something you choose to believe without evidence you already know how to have faith, and so think about it fear is believing in something without evidence now you may have, you may have precedents, that something has happened and that's informing your fear okay if I sit on a railroad track in a car as the car stalled other cars have gotten hit by a train I'm afraid I'm going to get hit by a train, no you're going to get hit by train you're not a precog are you have you seen the future, you have a fear of the unknown you're choosing to believe something that you don't know you don't have evidence that you are going to get hit by that train, we watch scary movies where these people are running from serial killers, no they're going to get killed they have precedents that has convinced them and they're choosing to believe.

 

[39:59] People are afraid of storms they don't know, they've learned friend of this or afraid of that.

 

[40:16] This is why I said there is going to be some disagreement here tonight.

 

[40:27] The can't move we're recording a podcast.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:30] I know I know but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:31] The video is a courtesy to the people who showed up live.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:33] I know I know but it's it's your talk and then it's frozen and then it catches up and so you're doing this on the screen and so it's it's hard to focus in the times when you're doing this so, I understand the point that you're making, and I agree faith is you know the belief that something is going to happen based on, sometimes president sometimes Faith sometimes just belief sometimes it's the belief, that something's going to happen because of a belief you know so I get that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:17] So tell me how fears any.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:21] Because humans have a natural fear response we don't have a natural Faith response.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:35] I'm supposing that are Spirit does.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:39] Yeah I could see that but you are drawing a very strong correlation between.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:04] Well not really connection but a correlation.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:08] That's what that's what I mean sorry I used a word and then lost the word but I think there is fear is.

 

[42:24] To me more raw than faith is because faith is something that you do have to, to a certain degree learn, it's like when you're a small child you don't have faith in anything and you don't like you don't know, is this thing going to because you don't have the Precedence you've built upon where as fear, you can be you're afraid of anything you don't understand some people not everyone, and so I think they're that fear is more raw now I'm not saying that there's no, correlation and I always you know there are, there are lots of people who do the whole fear Faith versus fear or fear versus Faith depending on how they word it and they'll do a whole sermon series on how we have to have faith and not be fearful because we have faith, and I don't always agree with that line of reasoning because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:38] Fear is what keeps me from stepping out in front of a coming train.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:42] Right.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:42] Keeps me from jumping off the edge of the Grand Canyon keeps me from you know that it out of that.

 

[43:59] Keep you safe and healthy.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:01] And without being safe and healthy your faith to a certain degree won't matter because you probably won't be here if you're not afraid of the things that can kill you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[44:15] But Faith isn't for your physical.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:17] It's not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[44:19] Faith does the same thing for your spirit that fear does for your body.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:26] But on the same token Faith does affect the physical in that the things that we are, we have the faith that it'll work a great example that you always use is a chair that doesn't work for me because I'm fearful of every chair I sit in, but you've used that example many times I have faith that the chair will work which isn't necessarily spiritual, it is physical because there's not a youth you know it happens in your mind so quickly you make that decision before you move.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:10] So but what I'm saying is not that you can't physically have faith I'm saying that, what fear is for the flesh meant to be a protective, you know don't do this or you'll die don't do this we'll get hurt faith is the same thing for your spirit, whereas Faith informs you not to step out and sorry where's fear informs you not to step out in front of the train Faith informs you spiritually, to not get involved with voodoo so I'm saying, faith and fear are serving purposes for physical and spiritual life they're serving the same purpose but one, full spiritual and one full physical.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:13] I don't know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:18] All right Twitch on Twitch on Zaydiee. Zaydiee on Twitch says wouldn't small kids have an inherent Faith though, because their faith in the adults who take care of someone they are trusting you will take care of them just in some kids the fear is stronger than their faith, and Phoenix you know seconds that oh good point except, that's not how it works kids that are abused inherently fear adults and kids that are loved learn to trust adults, and some kids they, I'm sorry your whole body went pixelated on my video but your background is completely crystal clear.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:11] You see what I mean though because the technical sometimes does get in the way you're like I can't focus on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:19] Yeah it's totally distracted by that, the child learns to have faith in their physical surroundings when they are taking care of, when they are too young say a newborn baby, they're not exercising faith in the adults that are around them they're exercising lack of awareness, they don't they're not aware that they're being held they're not aware that they're being loved they're not aware you know and they learn these they get these little pieces of awareness, when they're feeding when they're when they're skin-to-skin and through those little pieces of awareness then they learn faith, but baby that you leave alone crying in a crib, they are exercising fear of being alone it's instinctively know being alone is bad.

 

Pastor Newms:

[48:21] A predator can eat me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[48:24] Because their flesh wants to keep them safe and they inherently know alone is bad they don't reason because the Predator can eat me there a reason that they don't know why being alone makes them afraid but being alone puts them into fear, so I would have to not say that I believe the same way you do on that question I'm not saying you're wrong though I'm saying the way I see the situation, is what I've explained there.

 

[49:21] So Phoenix on Twitch says but hold on because like babies that are born new are like automatically comforted by their you know your Phoenix is not talk that way in real life but she types that way which is weird, um like automatically comforted by their parents, so you're right babies that are new are automatically comforted, and what I believe is happening there is they've gone from a place where they are warm and comfortable and surrounded and completely enveloped to this harsh crazy environment, and then when they are put back into the mother's arms their swaddled and wrapped up and back to a place where they can sense and here, the same sounds that they were Hearing in that comfortable place if that makes any sense, I see you saying.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:23] So I understand what you're saying don't necessary.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:25] Understand what I'm saying you don't fully agree with my supposition although I haven't heard you actually disagree with my supposition.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:31] I just I don't what I did I said I don't know that I believe the correlation is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:39] But then you went on to explain what you do believe and it wasn't, exclusionary of what I'm saying in any way past any way at all.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:48] It's not but that does not mean I agree.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:50] Even say I would even say you could put both of them together in a book and it would just read through like okay we're just fully explaining the thing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:59] Could be could be and then and then might not be because, something irks me about it and I don't know what yet and I might get there but something about it irks me and I don't know why.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:15] It might just be that it's different from what you've always been taught and always heard.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:21] No cuz I've never liked the fear versus Faith anyway so it's not that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:27] I've never liked it either because people like no fear no fear and I'm like, well I mean I don't get out of a I've never been but I don't get out of a tour truck in the Sahara, you know and the African Sahara because a lions and that's a fear response and that keeps me alive right.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:48] Well and you know you should have a healthy fear of certain things even in the spiritual you know and so, you know I think that there is a I think that the no fear is very flawed, you know there was a t-shirt you know when the no fear shirts came out there was one that said no fear but it was the know, and then it had the scripture but my point was.

 

[52:32] The question was where does that fit in with the scripture you want to talk about tonight how do those tie in together, now that I understand your premise of your thought process.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:57] Second Timothy chapter 1 verse 7, for God has not given us a spirit of fear but one of power love and sound judgment, so I believe what Paul is telling Timothy here when he says power love and a sound judgment he's, trying to describe Faith how you break Faith down into what it naturally is, power which was the word dunamis which was understood in Christian circles to mean the ability to do Miracles was the Power House of the Holy Spirit it was known as, divine power that that word there is what they meant when they would use that word the word dunamis love, which is, and sound judgment so to make wise decisions big we are in second Timothy chapter 1 verse 7 and sound judgment there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:10] That's an interesting word.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:11] Played down in a lot of, a lot of translations but in the Greek it's the word so for mismos which is discipline or self-control.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:31] Oh that is an "S" woo, I was like that's not what I read because my brain did not even process the S my brain started with the oh I was like that is not the word I just read what are you talking.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:46] For Annie's most Heroes over knees most now so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:47] Yeah yeah I was like that is not what I just read homie like I don't know where you're going.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:55] So for needs most and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:56] Who I thought you were.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:59] It comes from the word sofa needs oh, which is to discipline or correct or to teach specifically in the area, of how do we do things right it's not necessarily the, spare the rod idea it's not bad it's not the rod idea it's the teaching disciplined in teaching and sharpening the mind.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:36] You know it's a very interesting word because, you know there's a lot of Greek and Hebrew that used a lot and then there are some that are used very little in the Bible, and that's one that used once and then the word that it comes from, is used once and the word it comes from is used only for X so it's an interesting word choice, to think that there's all the New Testament that Paul wrote and there's, this words only used a couple times he uses it very succinctly.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:24] And then is one of the tropes that Paul uses when he's wanted to say something specific and highly it that it's important he'll choose an obscure word.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:34] And so to answer your question Phoenix if we don't have a spirit of fear than why do we have a fear response when we spiritually sense demons or bad vibes so, I would say that that is not your spirit that is your physical body your physical body has the the flight or fight, responses in the brain, respond even when there is not a physical stimuli but because it's still processing all the information even when we don't understand what its processing it's still the physical process it's not the spiritual process it's your brain it's your.

 

[57:18] Soul tone your spirits tell your brain that something's wrong and even though you can't physically see what it is it's still your brain that decides whether to fight or flight, so it's still a it's a the fear overall is very much a physical response I think, creature things that are built into as automatically you know dark is bad because I don't know what dark is it does that mean something's in the dark I don't know but it's bad, the unknown is always a fear and then yes there are, times to be afraid like you know sensing demons bad vibes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:17] All right so it's time for us to wrap up but I just wanted to.

 

[58:21] So I just wanted to touch right here real quick big says fear God and unfortunately in the modern definition of the word fear, that message is lost, because of translations and yada yada yada so basically we are taught in the Old Testament to fear God and Paul does in yes I believe that Paul wrote Hebrews Paul does in the book of Hebrews, tell us to have a Godly fear when we're approaching God, but the word and the idea of fear of God that's talked about in the Bible is the Greek word you Lobby, okay and it's properly caution, reverence piety right now in by implication it's dread or fear but the word itself is, giving it its own do and I think when we say you know someone needs to fear God in the modern vernacular, we're we're missing something all together because the word fear now doesn't communicate the same thing it did then now it only me.

 

[59:49] You know I'm afraid I'm going to kill it doesn't mean respect it doesn't mean reverence it's you know modern fear, and so I wanted to real quick highlight first John chapter 4 and we're gonna, start in verse let's start in verse 15.

 

[1:00:13] Whoever confesses and that was first John chapter 4 starting in verse 15 whoever confesses that Jesus is the son of God God remains in him and he in God, and we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us God is, and the one who remains in Love Remains in God and God remains in him, in this love is made complete with us so that we may have confidence in the day of, because as he is so also are we in this world, there is no fear in love instead perfect love drives out fear because fear involves punishment, so the one who fears is not complete in love, we love first because he first loved us if anyone says I love God yet hates his brother or sister he is a liar.

 

[1:01:27] You can go finish reading that for yourself from then on but, and the modern vernacular of the word fear it doesn't fit with God being loved and loved driving out perfect fear and notice it didn't say faith drives out fear, his said love drives out fear right so if you're afraid of me.

 

[1:01:53] And I showered you with love not in a creepy stalker anyway then that can drive out that fear.

 

[1:02:02] I like to watch those videos where those people find the abandoned animals, and rescue them and nurse them back to health because you see this this overwhelming fear in these animals who have been abused and Abandoned and left on the streets, and it usually only takes The Rescuers half hour 45 minutes top of loving this animal, before the animal loses all fear of them and trust them completely.

 

[1:02:35] And it just every time my heart is like oh it's so great it's so great, and I just wish there were more videos like that, like I shared a video with Newms as politician that's running for for mayor of New York and he's doing the speaking thing in this gentleman without a shirt on comes up and stands right in front of him, and any other politician the police would come up and just assure the guy away, this guy stops his speech and walks down there and starts having a private conversation with the guy and when the police walk up he says no no no no I got this we're good,

and he does shows nothing but compassion to this gentleman who, needed medication didn't have medication wasn't in his right mind was suffering on the streets of Newark New York because of it.

 

[1:03:40] And he approached him with compassion and what appeared to be loved, almost instantly broke down that man's sense of defense and fear and I got to protect myself, it was beautiful beautiful thing to see did you did you think it was beautiful.

 

[1:04:08] It was amazing I was like we need we need more of that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:12] Yeah I don't know what the person believes aside from that and that's always you know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:17] I don't know anything else that's why I didn't say the person's name.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:22] It is shocking it I was shocked to see it because so many politicians are not like that, and to see something like that was very interesting, and I would did want to point out that that word fear that's used in first John is of course a completely different word than the the fear that fear actually means.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:54] That's the modern fear.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:55] To be terrified so, it's actually to be frightened, It was like yeah that's fear, so no but I think that is very interesting when you look at those types of things next to each other.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:24] Yes Phobos.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:26] Yes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:28] Very telling because we we use the word phobia and this is the word Phobos it's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:34] Just close as you can get yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:37] Putting fear alarm or fright be afraid exceedingly afraid fear Terror.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:42] There's not a lot of it's not a lot of gray area in that particular word it's not one of those that we don't know what it means is straight up like oh yeah we use that Greek word to make other words.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:55] We already we are to use that work we like we throw that into all kinds of things.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:58] We know we know that one that one's easy.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:00] Arachnophobia we we got that one Phobos.

 

[1:06:08] Father said spiders earlier so that's one of that's why I chose that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:13] But it makes me itchy.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:16] Okay clora phobia how's that I'll refer phobia how do you spell that word the fear of clowns.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:25] That's what you have.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:26] I don't have that anymore.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:27] You don't what changed sorry not important to this.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:31] I stopped caring, my anxiety went away my phobias went away I got it peace with, I'm going to live until I don't and I got to be came in peace with that idea and my phobias are away my anxiety went away and I just, I'm not afraid of clowns anymore fire ants and I can sleep with my back to the edge of the bed and I can sleep with the door open I can turn off the lights I don't need sound going to keep me from being anxious.

 

[1:07:12] Big says Libby her Janu Miss Libby is big dog we love Libby so cute little fur monster.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:17] Yes and I have not seen I have not seen my sister I have not seen my sister in like a week and she does not like it if I don't come over, I think she's more needy than my parents are about seeing me she gives me more face kisses than they do luckily because I don't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:40] We're eight minutes over do you have anything concrete to.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:42] Um

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:46] You figure out why you don't, what is irking you about the concept.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:52] No I don't I don't know what irks me about the concept, but I mean I'm not it's not like a I disagree with this wholeheartedly it's just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:07] Well it's not a Salvation issue it's a quality of living issue.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:09] Not at all yeah so I just I don't know I don't know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:17] We're allowed to disagree we don't have to agree I just wish I just wish you felt I just wish you could put your hood up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:26] Yeah no I know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:28] Express what it is so that we.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:30] Well it'll hit, it'll hit me at some point and hopefully then we will remember it and talk about it on a podcast as opposed to in the middle of the week when we're talking and I go this this is why you're wrong because of this and which does happen every now and then.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:46] And I'll laugh at you and I'll go you're so funny.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:48] I know irritates me greatly but like you said not a saint.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:53] You come with all this passion and I'm like it's not a Salvation issue I can be wrong.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:58] There are there are sometimes I get overly passionate about some things in your nonchalant - drives me insane, your smug just sitting there because it's not important drives me up the wall and I lose my mind and have to stop talking to you and just, it happened a couple weeks ago and it was really funny and it wasn't important it was just something that got up my crawl and, you said one phrase and it just it I was set off for like what was it three or four hours for no good reason.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:34] You said you see this is what I don't like about you this right here and I was like okay give it to me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:09:38] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:45] All right so it's time for a 30-second buffer we have a cool little song we seen here at the end because some of the services require 30 second buffer, unless we want the last 30 seconds of what we talked about to be cut off so if you're a fan of a certain cartoon dog of a certain color you'll probably recognize the tune that here we go, 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 30 second buffer has it been 30 seconds yet of course not that's not how time works 30 second buffer 30 second buffer.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:10:20] Second buffer.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:10:20] In buffer I love you have a great week.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:10:24] Be safe out there guys love you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:10:26] And until next time.

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