Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to Season 3 Episode 45 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. We are going to do a cold open here before we do all the normal stuff just to let you know what's going on tonight. So tonight we are talking about, and I put the title for the you know Social Media stuff as Spirit, Soul, and Body question mark. And we're going to look into some scriptures that talk about spirit, soul, and body we're going to talk about how some people interchange the terms spirit and soul and we're going to try to pull in some of the original language to try to give some clarification to what is your spirit, and what is your soul and what is obviously your body you know that one. Just like most things we're not here to tell you what to think and we're not here to give you a definite answer we're here to broach the topic and give you from our educated point of views what we know what we've seen what we've heard and then it's your responsibility as a true Berean to go into the scriptures and study it out for yourself and pray about it and decide between you and God, do you have a preference on these terms and these ideas - does it even matter? Because from where I'm sitting it's not a Salvation issue to understand spirit, soul, and body it's just one of those things that empowers you to have a better understanding of your faith which then gives you a confidence that you then when you go to share the hope that you have, you have a better confidence for friendship evangelism and spreading the gospel and and all of those things so that's why we we birch topics like this - not because we have the answers, but because we want to help you build your confidence. What's up pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:16] I can hear you but it's very staticky, but only when you speak oh not quite to the point of robotiness but close to robotiness.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:34] Okay and it's not really anything I could do about that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:40] Yeah I just I know your internet's been a little.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:44] A little Sunday?

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:46] For some reason every Sunday somewhere around 3 p.m. his internet goes sideways.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:56] Wonky.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:57] It stays that way till about 10:30 normally. So there's something the internet like something that they do with his little beam of light.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:09] Well you know what? It's not just the home internet, it's cell signals as well. It's cell signals, its internet, it's everything - gets wonky between those hours in this area and so I don't know.

 

Pastor Newms:

I blame aliens.

 

Pastor Bill:

I was going to blame military but aliens are fine too.

 

Pastor Newms:

There's not even any military installations in Decatur.

 

Pastor Bill:

That's not exactly true, but we won't talk about any more details on the open air. So all right, so how has your week been Pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:57] Busy. Started the new job this week, wrapped up the old this week. Which does not feel like it's just been this week because it's been a little bit of Breakneck speed and. So that was that was a really good really good week tried to go back and play another game that I haven't played in,

exactly a year when we launched the game the save file I launched the game yesterday in this the last say was like nine I want to say 9, when you know it was 9/18 and so it was like oh that's odd that I'm going back exactly a year so that was fun. But overall everything's been pretty good this week just those aspects we did have. We did go to Nashville Pride yesterday but it was interesting.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:15] For just one.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:19] Started pouring the rain and when it right like right before it was supposed to start so they moved the start time, and then it was a little bit of a muddy mess so my my shoes are actually still in the garage, and I made the comment to someone there from another church and I was like you know this happens to us every year when we go to the Dallas Pride because I didn't have it this year but every other year it's gotten rained out at some pointed ends up having to close early the Saturday portion he goes that's never happened to us and I went oh, that must mean it's my fault, and he looked at me like I don't I wasn't saying that and I was like no I am so that was interesting had a couple of good conversations but nothing, phenomenal but handed out a bunch of responding to love God's loves cards and, went from there so it was good why do you have such a perplexed look on your face Billiam.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:32] My wife's just came in the room with a can of liquid death.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:44] Oh where did she get you that? They've got some very interesting so you got to go over.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:57] Mountain Water.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:00] Yep there mhm.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:11] And it's yeah it's this great and they have an amazing marketing team that the the marketer in me just like admires the heck out of man I just, they're so awesome.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:26] I love the everyone treats water like it's it's it's nice water kills this many people every year these are all the ways water can and will kill you so we, put it in a can and said so and you're like whoa whoa.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:42] The one with the woman and she's pouring it out and you're like uh another thirst trap commercial because she's you know you know, makeup'd up and looks you know and then the camera zooms out and she's actually using it to waterboard somebody and you're like oh my gosh.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:02] That one was an interesting one I will agree.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:08] BatBrains said she got some for the whole family we all got one here so that's that's all I don't know if I should drink it or just leave it closed in honor of how awesome it is.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:20] So here's what you do.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:22] It's just water right?

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:24] Now I can answer this you take a push pin okay and you push pin the bottom of it right, and then you drain it into a cup from the bottom and then you put it on a shelf you can also use a very small finishing nail if you choose to if you don't have like a push pin laying around that is how you store, like you know like when Pepsi releases the big PepsiCo. Like what they did for Star Wars where all the cans had different or all the sports teams are other if you store those, that's just water so it might not actually do this but if you store one of those over extended amount of time the camera actually crush at a certain point because the carbonation and everything it'll actually ring and, so what you have to do is you do that to then drain it so that way then you can actually store it and show it off but Biggs taught me that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:37] Okay all right okay so that was that was your week.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:46] Yeah how was your week Pastor Bill.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:48] Which you know we made new responding to God's love cards for you guys to take to Pride because we left all the pride supplies here, right and then you got those on Thursday right we printed new ones. I ordered them on Saturday they printed finished printing on Tuesday and then you got them on Thursday was perfect timing was great so my week's been good we're so you know ramping up to Halloween season which starts on October first and I got this awesome, sloths wearing Halloween costumes plush throw. That is super awesome I saw it and I was like oh my gosh it's the fantasy I never knew that I had I have to have that Amazing Blanket sloths in Halloween costumes, so we had that and then they had some light up cups at Walmart so our family went up and we each get to choose a design, of the light of crap that we wanted for those of you who are listening to the podcast and not can't see the images here I gotta, I chose a pink cup, because you know I'm secure in my masculinity I can like pink, and it's got a yellow moon with some little yellow and white flowers and a little skull there it's nice I like it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:16] See again I'm going to go back to it has nothing to do with the pink you bought it because it had a large amount of yellow.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:25] It does have a large amount of yellow I guess.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:27] I love you and you love yellow and and that's yeah that's why you got it it's got a ton of yellow on it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:37] I present exhibit B you ready my favorite writing pen no yellow only pink.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:47] She looks purple it always looks purple every time you show it I don't know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:51] Yeah it's pink okay it's like a metallic pink Biggs says purple on screen as well all right big thanks for taking your son side.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:02] Oh and by the way Bill, Biggs said to alcohol sanitize the nail first or else you will cause some rust, and if you're going to drink it you don't want to put that into your beverage if you haven't sanitized it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:18] Right I appreciate that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:20] So that's a good point from Phoenix and Biggs, because I forgot.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:27] Biggs says my cup looks purple too. Does my cup look purple?

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:30] It is a purplish pink it is definitely not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:35] It just looks pink pink in person.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:38] No it doesn't look pink pink it looks a lot like the decoration that I stole from Tina because it came her Halloween Fox let's that I stole because she brought it in here because one of the girls were sad and they like holding it when they're sad because it's mommy's and then I was like it's not leave it so it hasn't left yet now it will, because she now knows I have it and we have told her I have it so she will be in here shortly soon as we're done probably to gank the, foxy bat away we like Build-A-Bears a little too much in this family I only have one two three four,

five six in my office and a new one they released a green gar and I want him so bad he's so cute.

 

Pastor Bill:

A green gar?

 

Pastor Newms:

The the you know like the Ghost Pokemon in the in the first Pokemon how they all evolved up and then you get to the big fluffy good-looking guy that's the green gar.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:55] Now we're on the same page.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:56] And who's supposed to be the ghost of I think Cliff fairy. I'm going to get roasted for not knowing that correctly but yeah so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:10] All right well yeah that's that's pretty much fun my week other than I've been in an extreme amount of pain this week my knees flared up, you've been in pain this week I'm not sure why you're paying flared up my pain flared up this week, and my mother had successful surgery this week she's been you know she had surgery on her spine she's had a lot of numbness and tingling in her legs with also pain you know and all these problems and, so she'll she can walk around a little bit but then her knees to her legs just kind of give out but she, after the surgery, we were her husband and I were asking for an update at my grandma was like she's in pain and they're giving her pain medication and I said well if she's feeling pain that's actually a good sign right, and her husband was like I never thought about it that way she she heck she has full feeling now huh.

That, but I haven't actually gotten to talk to her yet since her surgery she is obviously sleeping a lot and and recovering so. So that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:27] It's good that it went well.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:29] Yeah it's good that it went well there were no issues it was a little longer than it was expected to be but the the surgeon was, aware that it was probably going to take longer and and then they kept her overnight because she's a little older than and then she has her other issues that she deals with so, yeah she got good medical care and that's taken care of and hopefully that will lead to a revitalized woman who loves roller coasters who can actually go back to Six Flags again because that's one of her favorite places to go, sir.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:03] Oh I didn't think about that that's why she hasn't gone with the kids recently. Oh that must be terrible for I didn't even think about that ass like it's you know you worry about like the actual big things but oh my gosh she loves those so much like oh.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:23] Yeah alright so I think that's that and so now it's time for get to know the pastor's and it's my week because it's an odd numbered episode.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:33] Or because I did it last week.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:35] Don't you, you keep saying that but how are we supposed to remember from week to week you did it lasts all week before cue the video I don't know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:43] How we supposed to remember what episode number were on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:49] Okay it's true I have to go look up what episode number on every week when I do the title.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:54] And I have to create the folder.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:59] What is your favorite body part about yourself.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:07] You go first.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:10] My beard I'm quite fond of my beard it's a good body part. Do I need to pull a new card? yeah when you pull a new.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:25] Do we do.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:26] I can see the little mischievous thing going in your head right now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:29] You know what you know what body part I like the most.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:32] Mmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:33] My gallbladder because I actually have one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:36] Okay I'm pulling another card, you jerk, which band or artist Dead or Alive would play at your funeral.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:51] Man the list is so long of people I would love to play at my funeral. What do you think?

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:01] Well my funeral has nothing to do with me it's all about the people that I'm leaving behind, and so for people like my mom and my grandmother and my all those people I would want my great-grandfather, to perform one of his gospel songs for them you know, because that really doesn't have anything to do with me. My funeral is not for me the funerals for the people that I left behind.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:36] I have to for Biggs I have to play an Audio Adrenaline song at his funeral it is one of his demands, which is I want to the new body I don't know what the actual name of the song I have it but. You guys keep pulling people that can't perform at your wet at your funeral. They're not alive.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:22] It said dead or alive. My great grandfather's dead.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:28] That's why I said you people keep pulling I missed the Dead part.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:32] Yeah dead or alive.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:35] I don't know my brain didn't even pick up that part I don't know I don't know. I could see so much different styles of music based on who shows up to my funeral, it could be I know at the moment a person came into my mind but it just because it's a person I've been listening to way too much right now but whose. Kim Dracula but it's just because I've been playing them a ton.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:12] Roll my eyes at you sir.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:14] I don't know if I wanted to make everyone cry at answer Johnny Cash.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:23] Mmm. BatBrains, my wife, has a funeral music list on her Spotify. Her and Gregory, they pick out songs and they go, add this to the funeral list.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:47] Zadie I don't mean make you cry right now now that you are I meant make you cry at the funeral, sorry there are certain people I can't bring up in the house because it makes her sad that they are gone she brought up one I didn't, and and then I just brought up another one that upsets her greatly when she.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:15] Chester and Johnny Cash.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:18] I'll never forget it with with Chester Bennington when he passed I got home and she didn't know, because she doesn't watch the news I barely watch the news but I listen to the radio on the way home and so everyone was doing tributes you know and I get home and, I was like I'm sorry baby if you you know if you actually opened the internet today no why. Well Chester Bennington pass, he what and then we proceeded to listen to the discography while we stood in sat in the kitchen and cried for the rest of the night because, that band impacted both of us throughout our lives so much and so then it was just like the girls were like we don't know what's going on but okay will cry too so. Any who see I said any who because Phoenix said.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:22] Phoenix said The Hu yeah I saw that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:25] Hu not the Mongolian throat singer death metal band not not The Who. Whatever else they sing cuz I don't know who the actual who sang back in the day I just remember I don't like them too much then the monkeys The Beatles it's the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:48] Hey hey we're the Monkees yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:03] Alright so now we are sufficiently warmed up.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:08] We are we are.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:09] Since we brought the entire time down talking about funerals and death let's talk about the spirit and the soul.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:19] It was in the cards man it was in the cards I didn't do it the cards.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:23] Death of the body and the Eternal - of let's go.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:40] You need to introduce the topic now that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:42] Oh so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:43] We've had the cold open but now it's your turn to.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:46] It's funny because typically the way the this format works is. Pastor Bill will tell me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:14] Sorry guys Phoenix.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:15] Phoenix just killed the Phoenix just killed the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:20] So Phoenix on Twitch says I want this girl is on fire to be played as I'm being cremated so I can finally have a smoking hot body. That is the cringey assist most hilarious thing that has ever been put on our Discord Channel our Discord server. Oh man you're slipping it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:50] I'm snipping it I'm sniffing it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:54] Oh man okay derailed hmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:00] Okay so back to the conversation there are times that we, talk about it and we were like okay yeah there are times where we have a verse that bill feels and then there's times like this. And what usually happens with times like this one is the way. Myself and the Holy Spirit tend to.

Converse is a little different because. I'm trying to save this real quick Phoenix phrase because that's going in the archive so, typically I get very very random thoughts my mind never stops it's very hard for me to focus and meditate and and study so all of a sudden, like I just get hit with something and it's like hey have you ever thought about this and you're like no I haven't thought about that brain let's think about it till we're dead and then I run that thought process into the ground, obsessing over it so. One of these situations happened where I was thinking about, what is life and I was thinking about what determines if something is alive or is just a functioning, sing what determines the difference the line between this thing is alive and this thing. Is an eternal thing. And then what defines that life and what and so then the topic of spirit and soul came up and then my brain started going the route of okay whale. What do animals have Spirits or Souls because if it has a soul, what does that truly mean what is the Bible say you know and then I thought the route of things talking so there was this big long thing and I come back to my computer because I wasn't at my computer and I was just typing things, dreams like what are what did you what did you do like what are you talking about I have no idea what you're talking about right now, and so I started with the tangent of you know do animals have souls, and if they do do they go to heaven was one of my thought processes and one of the things I ascribe to it was the the actual verbal ability to speak, oftentimes we attribute animals as just being animals because they don't have, rational thought the ability to speak things like that but then I thought of Balaam's ass and the fact that with Balaam's ass. Tells him you know I've been a good ass I've been I've been good to you and the Lord opened his mouth and so I then I, rabbit trailed that word mouth, open not mouth I didn't look up the word mouth that's why I know what mouth means in Greek and Hebrew it's a mouth so I looked up the word open, and and, you know it's literally open like throw open the gates so it's something that is closed it's open so then I tried to research you know at what point does the bible ever talk about animal speaking other than that, and it's only talked about twice and then I get back to, Bill and Bill's like why are we talking about a talking ass and the donkey and Balaam and he's striking it and he's a good donkey and, what are you talking about dude like you went to go, get something to eat like what are you doing in life and I'm like I don't know man it's warm he's like okay I guess we'll talk about Soul this week because that makes sense because obviously you can't be quiet about because and then it went for like, what bill for five hours that I'm sitting there just spinning and just keep sending you messages and you're like okay dude really okay dude really like so it was. It was interesting how it happened and so because of that, that's how we got to this week's topic because I basically was like a dog with a bone and wouldn't let it go and he was like. Well I mean I didn't really know what we were going to talk about yet because the spirit hadn't spoken anything to me so. Well is he spoke to you and I'm like no I was just having a thought he's like that's a whole nother discussion but, so that's what we started talking about then the spirit in the soul we started having that conversation between the two of us because I use the term soul, several times in all the things that I sent him and his response was I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to be obstinate or I'm not trying to make fun. I'm not how we talked for way too long about that topic oh yeah deleted a bunch of it I forgot about that because it was. Too much anyway. You were like, you know not to not to belittle but to dig because you know you know how I feel about words there is a difference between spirit and soul you're using them wrong and I was like, so then I you know it rabbit hold us even more because you know there are. A lot of people when you think about mind body and soul sorry, mind body and soul or mind spirit and soul or Spirit soul and body or mind will and emotions, body in an eternal soul and there's all these terms that are thrown around for the three things that we are, and some people use them interchangeably the Greek and Hebrew sometimes uses certain parts in certain ways interchangeably the. Scholars will just use them interchangeably other faiths don't even get me started there it's all over the place with other faiths, and and so we started digging into the the Greek in the Hebrew of it together because we were having the conversation and. Sometimes it's weird but I'll let you go from there because if I try to read the Greek and Hebrew words we're all going to be confused. I don't try to do that I barely speak English.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:34] All right so there's a verse and I know I hesitate I tried not to use this verse as the placard verse for the whole episode because, Newms has particular issue with this verse not in the verse itself but in English and the way that English is used, and that's a lot of Newms is issue with this topic, is an issue with a the actual language of English, and I'm sure.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:10] Everything it's Microsoft's an English is fault that's all of life is Microsoft in English is Fault somehow.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:16] Pretty much what most of our conversations are is you complaining about Microsoft or English and me trying to get to a topic that's actually worthy of talking about so. It's just that's where we live.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:30] Not inaccurate.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:31] All right so it was 1st Thessalonians chapter 5, verse 23 and I just put the second half on the placard but we'll go ahead and read the whole verse, now may the God of Peace himself, sanctify you completely and may your whole Spirit soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. All right, so when we when we think about the ideas here of spirit soul and body and we want to go back to the original language of what those words were used because that's important for the conversation we're having because, a lot of people call the spirit one thing and the Soul another thing and then like newms was saying there's a lot of people that then swap those, and they'll say that the soul is the thing that people said was oh that's hilarious.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:32] Why did it triple it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:33] It because it has what you typed in and then when Twitch picked it up it then the bot reset it here and then when, Facebook picked it up that it said it again in the Discord server so it's there three times in Discord server well we know it got onto Twitter and Facebook though, all right so there are people that swap those, they say spirit is one thing and other people say well that's your salt and then some people say soul is one thing and other people say well that's your spirit and nobody's arguing about what your body is we're all pretty clear, on what your physical body is the thing that we can see and feel and touch and interact with, we're not we're not arguing that except for maybe Elon Musk because like it's all a simulation anyway there is no physical body, but other than that guy everyone else.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:27] There is a new Matrix movie coming out so maybe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:29] Everyone else seems to understand the concept of body right so when we look at the original words that. Why am I looking at the top your head Newms.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:43] I am laughing because I never thought it would get to the point where we're talking about Elon Musk in any capacity of The Berean Manifesto and yet somehow it came up so continue I'm sorry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:52] And somehow all right so in first Thessalonians chapter 5 verse 23 Paul uses the words Numa spirit. Su ke and I'm probably not saying that one right but it's close enough it's a psyche the psychology that work as that's in translated as soul, and Soma which is. Okay the confusing part is that the definitions of Numa,spirit and soul tsuke are really close to each other, and the really only dividing difference here they both mean breath okay they both by implication mean Spirit but tsuke specifically, refers to the animal sentient principle only, so the difference between the the only real difference between Numa and Sookie, is that Numa being breath and spirit and mind will and emotions is all this abstract spiritual idea and tsuke, is breath Spirit mind will and emotions and life in a concrete manner, so the only difference between these two words is concept and concrete which means there's no real difference between the word, so you can without being wrong swap those two words. All day long in your translation and you'll never actually be wrong okay. But for me now we're talking about for me when I go back and I look at Genesis and I look through the Old Testament. I feel that. Numa that is in the Greek is specifically defined as the part of us that is divine, a chunk of God that was breathed into us by God after he's formed a. And then I see psyche, as the mind will and emotions that that being has. Better than uses to drive the body. So I believe that I am a spirit I have a soul. And I live in a body right so just the same as here on Earth my, soul and body are inseparable my soul drives my body without my soul my body dies, without my body my soul is no longer tethered here, right it's the same way in the spiritual realm my spirit is my spiritual realm body. And the same as my physical body my spiritual body is then driven by that soul that mind will and emotions. And that mind will and emotions is that centerpiece that you know drives either way and. When I look at the Old Testament words that were used for these same Concepts right in the New Testament we have pneuma psyche and Soma and the Old Testament, we have ruach and I gotta click through each one to make sure I don't completely butcher these words nefesh, and Katie okay ruach nefesh and Katie, and they are less Des ambiguous and more specific to our to be understood to be spirit, Soul or in this case animal vitality, something that breathes has a soul, and body which could be used for anything anything that is living plants animals even water can be known as having a cage. Now nefesh to breathe this is this is the word that pro-abortion people like to point to a lot about well Life Starts at first breath, and that's this idea of nefesh that something isn't alive until it's taking its first breath where as pro-life people, I want to look you really call on scriptures that use ruach, as the word for that defines life okay now both of those words do mean breath but they mean breath and separate ways, ruach means you are spiritually alive you're a spiritual person and nefesh means you are now physically a. And I know that sounds like I just endorse one or the other depending on what your confirmation bias tells you. The ultimate goal is that I am, pro-life I Am pro mother I Am pro woman I Am pro life is sticky and grey and I would rather, us do more Ministry to people in those situations unless, judging of what people have done or feel like they were cornered into doing and I don't really have a pro or anti abortion stance as much as I have a pro person stance, and while all the stuff is going on in Texas about abortion laws and did it personally, I don't agree with stricter Banning of abortion laws, because I don't think that's how you solve an abortion problem if you're anti-abortion if you're anti-abortion I believe you solve that problem by better education, two women and young women and young men about the do's and don'ts of sex how contraceptives work how all that happens, he put more funding into fixing the adoption system and fixing the Foster system to where children aren't just abandoned and moving from home to home with all of their belongings in a trash bag, and to where you don't have to be a ridiculously rich person to adopt another human being because we had this okay so we have the CPS service that comes in. And decides whether or not a living space is safe for a child that is already there right. And the level you know the level of financial ability responsibility and all that is way down here and then when you go to adopt not only is the standard up here but then you have to pay fees on top of that, in order to process all of the stuff, so we have an adoption system that need to be fixed they have a foster system that needs to be fixed we had need better education for our students to teach them that while yes abstinence is 99.99% effective, they need to know what happens when they can't control themselves. What do they do because if we're just teaching abstinence and we're not teaching young men and women how to keep from getting pregnant, then we are literally just asking for abortions and I'm not talking about the the kind that happened in a safe clean,

doctors office I'm talking about the dirty dangerous kind that are bad. That's where everyone all right so that's nefesh and ruach okay, in the Old Testament God refers to himself using each of these three terms, right he uses rugelach and nephesh most and then there are times where he in a future sense says I will be. I will be shy meaning I will have a body one day I will have a body, and so when he talks about himself as ruach he always refers to himself as what we, gu as the father father Son and Holy Spirit that's always that father idea every time he uses rule when he talks nefesh, and when he when he uses him nefesh as a reference to himself oh I got that wrong didn't I. When he talks about himself as ruach he's always talking about the Holy Spirit. The spirit that moves on the earth and moves on men and inhabits men that's ruach nefesh.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:06] I was mainly looking at the Greek I forgot to look up the Hebrew I'ma be honest.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:16] And then ke ke kaha Hai EK hey how are you said that work that's always future tips okay now. For me and you can go do your own studies obviously big says It's All Greek to him except I was just reading the Hebrew words but I get the joke it's a funny joke it's a great joke even but I'm going to need you to stop. Okay so, when I look at God and I see God as this Father Son and Holy Spirit this Trinity, and then I look in Genesis and I see that God created Mankind in his own image hmm. I guess I see in our culture a lot where people talk about. Well I made in God's image to God must be he muscle drug me, when I look in the mirror he must be you know this shape I Made In His Image right humankind is Made In His Image except I don't think that's what that verse meant at all.When it says God made man kind of His Image I think that was referring to the fact that God is a trinity he then created a being that is a trinity, spirit, soul and a body just like God is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit and regardless of how you use those words back and forth. That's actually not that big of a deal that's not important but that's my take on this this situation if that, we are made in God's image as in not our physical skin, put our Triune makeup we are a trinity I am a trinity of spirit soul and body.

 

[48:21] I could be completely off and that's fine I'm allowed to be wrong and I will continue be wrong until someone shows me what's right, and if you can show me in the scripture, then I have no problem changing you know my nan salvation beliefs there's only the one belief that's worth arguing over and that salvation in Jesus, the rest of this is all icing and that's what I have to say about that. Newms I expected you to speak up more.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:02] I was letting you finish first.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:05] Okay your turn.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:06] So I agree I think that were created with the three I think that we are. A body being driven. Buy something and that something is what communicates with the part of us that goes to heaven I tend to use them the opposite I tend to use soul is, is what ascends spirit is what, connects the two I'm not sure a hundred percent as to where exactly I picked those up. But that's always how I've viewed it is the soul as the Eternal part the spirit, is I mean sorry the soul is the spiritual part that actually is ascribed to the Ascension the, and that the soul is what connects the is the mind will and emotions that connect the two. But inherently again as arguments so often, come to be the issue is not in our agreement the issue is in the use of English I do love in the New Testament, that the term Holy Spirit you know you kind of want to think that it's a, it's a thing in and of itself like the holy spirit's the term but it's not it's the same word that's used for our eternal spirit just with the word holy in front of it so it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:51] Saint is a better translation for that word but yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:55] Yeah it is Ed so it's you know but it's the same word that can be used for ghost it's the same word so I do understand, your belief of it being the spirit because it's also the same word that you use for ghost throughout the Bible which would be the, internal part which makes sense not the mind will and emotions, but I just can't do it for some reason I can't whenever I'm speaking it always comes out. The soul is the part that ascends into the spiritual realm which makes no sense when you think about the fact that it is the. Spiritual realm and it says it right the blank in there.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:44] Language is cultural driven we call it that because someone decided to call it that. We could very well need to call it the soul realm we would you know do you know what I mean like language is weird like that language changes the definitions of words change.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:04] Again that's the English thing because Asian culture the soul is what ascends. Because I just thought about that but you should me Got Me In Your Soul Reapers and your you know which those two words were the Same by the way should be coming in so we prepared to say just for those of you out there that aren't nerds, Japanese one of the other the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:33] Yes because Soul Reaper so much better and more understood in our Western culture than death God try go ahead. I'm just poking fun at English.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:02] The point of several really really good animes. But but that's my thing is is inherently I don't argue with our premises I argue with our usage of words just because even though I agree with you, I can't say it that way for some reason it's just one of those things my brain always goes to typing Soul every time.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:29] Alright let's wrap this up by talking about why this doesn't matter at all you ready.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:37] It's not a Salvation.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:40] What happens in the rapture.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:43] The body and whatever is attached to it is pulled up.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:47] The body mmm what goes what goes to the judgment is just the spirit or the soul or oh oh it's the body and it's the whole kit and caboodle.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:00] Does it matter.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:01] What it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what you call which part all three go they all go, even the people that have been dead and gone and buried or burned and spread or lost in the ocean their body is risen again and meets the Lord in the air, and is perfected and then we go into the judgment so it it doesn't matter.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:30] And it is that word body it's not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:31] What matters yeah it is yeah actual word body.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:35] Yeah it's not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:36] Is so much it's um it's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:38] Because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:39] Let me make sure I'm saying the whole work a Soma is soma your body your physical body.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:43] It's not that it's it means person it it actually it's it means he.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:50] What's your physical body.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:52] The writer meant physical body.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:55] And don't don't give me that whole over that's in the Book of Revelations in the Book of Revelations there's allegory about ad 70 digit it's also in Thessalonians written by a whole different author, who didn't have access to John's writings of Revelation and John didn't have access to Thessalonians when he wrote Revelations so, no it is yeah it's an event that's talked about in more than one place in the Bible and it is the whole body, rises in the air to meet the Lord, and then goes on to judgment so this whole is the spirit of the soul the only thing we are doing this for,

is so you can go and fall on your own decide, what you believe about the spirit the soul and the body based off of what you are informed on in the scriptures. Not of what I say not a for Pastor Newms says not off of what people say on Tic Tok now I gotta tell you there's some really good people dropping some serious, exegesis in Tick Tock Annie and I mean, some people that have phds in religious studies and I can tell you you know this is what it meant this is why they said it and it's really good videos out there, um I can't remember the name of the guy that I'm thinking of off the top of my head there's also a guy named Saints and Sages that does a great job talking about, the church and and the culture of Christianity and the way things should be going and the way that we're not doing things that we should be doing and there's some great videos at the teaching. But don't believe what anyone says until you find in the scripture for yourself and you prove it to yourself that it's true.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:00] Yeah cuz sadly for all those people that are good there's a lot that are bad too. There's a lot that are bad that aren't just on Tick-Tock but we won't get into that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:15] So go out there and be Berean own what you know decide what is true own your faith, and then walk in that hope and security and confidence go make friends with the Lost, and. Let them let your light shine in their life when they ask be prepared to give a reason for the hope. All right I love you guys have a great week.

 

Pastor Newms:

Be safe out there.

 

Pastor Bill:

Until next time...

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