S3EP46 - Grace

Pastor Bill:

[0:13] Hello and welcome to Season 3 episode 46 of The Berean Manifesto. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms, as always, who is just cracking himself up over there.

 

Pastor Newms:

So, sometimes your internet, both your cell phone, internet and your...

 

Pastor Bill:

[0:40] Sometimes? You mean you mean on Sundays?

 

Pastor Newms:

[0:44] Especially on Sundays, but every now and then there's a little bit of a problem something about Sunday's so the whole pre-meeting it's been fine the moment you went hello, and you kept talking but you were right here so it was they actually they could actually see you you froze so it's just that funny situation of.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11] So all right this week we are we're going to be talking about Grace right and I'm not sure if Pastor Newms had anywhere that's he's going to be, "Hey I found this in the scripture let's talk about this," kind of guy. He's more of the saw this in real life I know there's a scripture that correlates to this. I'm like all this this and he's like yes I knew there was something I could remember but I wasn't sure yeah and I'm more of the well let's start here and then we'll go from there different mine, because it gives us this, you know we riff off of each other and it kind of escalates everything when we're talking and carries us forward I know you had said in jest, um you were talking about when we were talking about last week's topic you had said something about being under certain path, yada yada and I said okay but you're you're in my church like I'm the senior pastor but I don't think of you as being under me I think of you as, to me, together and you were like no no I've never I've never thought about it as you being over me or higher than me or and I was like Yeah because it was total cringe moment when I was thinking did he just apply that to our relationship, well this is I'm not over him, is not under me and he was like no no it's that whole you know iron sharpens iron crap or, exactly what it is you didn't say crap.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:17] Sure I'm sure I said.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:20] Now you probably you probably said the acronym for stow high in transit that's probably.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:28] I am more crass than others no but what you're saying is really funny and it's true thing and I was like oh that's why I believe that and I didn't even realize it I had a similar moment this week we're like I was reading something and I. That's okay okay okay but yeah so now you have to ask me a question because we haven't done that yet.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:06] I do have to ask you how was your week Pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:09] It was good it was good little crazy starting the new job you know so everything's a little everything's busy because of that, and lots of meetings to get caught up and learn everything I need to learn and all that kind of stuff so I've been pretty busy, and, today I had to move a bunch of stuff in my house because one of my cats is misbehaving which is why in case you heard it on the Audio I don't know if you could or not but Mr Amy came through and was yelling at me because, he the boxes that he lays on in my office that are supposed to be bookshelves we haven't gotten them yet are gone, they're in the garage because one of the cats is not behaving herself and so he came in and he walked over to the window and looked up at it and then looked over at me and started meowing and that's why I was like oh sorry sir you're going to have to go lay down somewhere else and he just looked at me and walked away all like dude you got a like oh crap so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:20] Broke totally.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:21] Overall it's good it's good we didn't stream at all I don't think just because I was very tired every night.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:30] Now yeah you were tired all week just drained from the new job.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:38] Just all the learning is you know it's rough when you're learning a new job and so getting caught up and it's going to be good really enjoying it love a lot of what they do as a company it's just, got to get there and so I've been swamped, how was your.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:55] We will what we will be doing some streaming in the upcoming week though.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:58] Yeah and I might break one of my Cardinal rules actually this week I might actually.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:04] No don't do that no don't do it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:10] But the server launches at 8:00 a.m.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:14] Okay you can wait until I get my the game fully downloaded before you play and then we can stream together.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:22] I understand that but but that might not be 5 p.m. so we're as one of my Cardinal rules is you never stream during work hours depending on how my meeting is look, we'll see what happens.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:44] No streaming during work hours.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:46] Then it's going to be for 45 you better be ready to go because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:51] I can only go I can only install as fast as my internet will.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:55] And now I realize after I just said that you're going to forcefully go whoosh no downloaded yet whoops no downloaded yet and that 501 your me like who get finished and so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:07] I would not lie to you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:16] No but you would purposely not check it so that way you didn't know if it was or not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:21] Maybe.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:22] I know you homie neither one of us would lie to the other one but we real good we're like those Taffy pullers when we have to be you know the tech like I'm not going to break the Taffy but that Taffy.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:32] Almost stretches.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:34] The truth never got broke but man it it got works when it comes to the professional World sometimes that gotta get stretched a little anyhoo.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:49] Some are weak so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:50] How was your week.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:52] I discovered a new to me game outer worlds it is right there in your laughing because I know you can't hear him on the audio or see his face if you listen to the audio but, he's laughing because it's not a new game is an old game.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:09] No to be fair it's only like two years.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:13] It's two years old but it's new to me and it's right in the the vein and the niche of the things that I like like it's steampunk,

but also site with some elements of cyberpunk and then it's like,

you know the half-life type engine from the old Half-Life game so it's immersive and it's got all these elements.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:38] Nothing it's the Unreal Engine but that's okay you know I can't let it go with it was a glaring technical issue like that but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:50] Dunno dunno Half-Life wasn't built on the Unreal Engine.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:54] I'm fully aware it had its own engine.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:57] It's only engine yes the Half-Life engine.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:00] This was built on the Unreal Engine.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:02] Right but this is reminiscent of the half-life engine Yeah a hundred percent.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:04] Definitely a hundred percent hundred percent I just we're on Twitch and I didn't need the comment of you do know that was I don't I am not dealing with it not dealing with the super nerds no.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:15] I deal with that all right so it's been really good for me it's right in them in my you know it's kind of thing that I like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:19] Mmm it's a terrible it's so satirical it's so much fun.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:26] And it's a satirical and it's got lots of little elements that you can tell they pulled from their fans of this game their fans of that show and this and that you can see those almost kind of, you know when I wind it into the game and you're like hey this is actually just the recreated scene from that one show, um this whole kitchen is just recreated from that one show, I don't want to say the name of that one show on here because if I'm wrong I don't want you to get that go.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:56] Thank you thank you we're not saying anyone did any copyright infringement but we're just saying.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:01] Mmm we're saying hey looks just like to me it looks just like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:04] They gave a nod to and that was a conversation mean you had and that's like they didn't recreate it you're like fine they were heavily inspired by and they showed their love through I was like there you go yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:16] There ya go, all right so that's been fun I had in my free time I've been doing that, and I got to my mom this week you know post her surgery after surgery she's doing well so that's good I'm glad that she's doing well and that that's pretty that was pretty much my whole week I can't think of.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:37] You tore apart the car console.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:42] That was today but yeah that way I guess that counts as part of this week. I have never torn apart a car console that was so reinforced in my life every other car I've had, you give some pressure of the clips pop and then you kind of you know you do this number to loosen it up and pull it off, and this is got clips and bolts and screws and and I'm like what yeah it was crazy, but basically we have this this sensor that needs to be replaced and every time the sensor then, shows an alert it it dings, thing thing and so you'll be sitting at a red light and it'll literally just be going ding ding ding ding ding ding, because the alarm will go off and then come back on again off and come back on again off so every time it does it the screen also flashes, and then you get a message on little center console a new message on center console so it beeps as well so yeah ding beep ding beep ding bit as you're sitting them okay I gotta fix this. So you know since it takes a while to get in to see the mechanic sometimes because of working out schedules and Roxanne still gotta work and that car I pulled apart the dash and ripped out that speaker, that controls all the dings so no more dings for that or for low fuel or for seatbelt warning or for how your keys are in the ignition and the doors open we don't need any of those, they're all gone.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:24] Which is great up until when you need one of those and I'm going to laugh when you're like, guess what happened.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:33] Israel You Gotta Laugh.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:35] Biggs is question I don't know where everyone else is no one else has shouted out that they're here so I don't know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:43] Is anyone else even here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:44] It shows that we have three viewers so I'm assuming they're lurking and that's okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:50] I lurk I don't like to sound off either so don't don't feel bad if you're not sounding off because you just want to watch I'm the same.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:00] So there's the other viewers Phoenix and Zaydiee are.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:03] Just Phoenix, Zaydiee, and Biggs.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:06] I'm not sure why Phoenix felt the need to yell at us, and rain is watching she doesn't count in the viewership because I haven't actually gotten her, twitch login which I should but I haven't yet, but they're upstairs watching I showed them how to log into twitch without let me get to Twitch without logging in and so she's like can I watch like sure.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:41] Snacks, all right well that was my week that was your week, so now it's time for getting to know the pastor's and we are on an even-numbered episode and also, my card last week so aha said it before you did so this week is we pull a card from Pastor Newms is deck so what question are we going to be answer this week in get it's upside down and getting to know the pastor's. What about horses your name what you're just making stuff up what is what was this horse is your name.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:24] It says what I was reading it backwards like if you were reading it the wrong direction and so the questions actually if you, could enter a race horse in the Kentucky Derby what would you name your horse and I'm not going there so we're skipping that card because those names are stupid they always are okay, if you were asked to make a top 10 list of the people you regard as the all-time greatest Americans, whom would you rank third.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:00] Oh my God.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:09] And then it says second and first but I just find it funny that they started with instead of saying who would you name first second and third it was just who would you name third, third favorite American.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:24] Third would be Montezuma.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:28] I guess it didn't it didn't specify United States okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:33] Yeah you got North America, Central America, and South America.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:36] You're correct and Phoenix I will invite you to the church's Discord server give me just a second well while we're talking.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:47] Okay so Montezuma.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:48] To do so you're saying Montezuma if I had to list, see I'm bad at picking and listing out, you know all these questions about list or or do or, things like that is is so I'm real bad at it so I'm just going to say my third favorite, of all times is, um just because these two names popped in my head either Stanley or Ryan Reynolds.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:57] Okay so my third was one of zoom on my second would be Sally Fields and my first would be Richard Dean Anderson.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:05] I don't know the first one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:09] MacGyver.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:11] Oh oh my gosh okay I'll give it to you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:15] O'Neill on Stargate SG-1.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:17] Yep no I got you okay, for my second and first I'd have to say like man I don't know I'm so bad at picking I've never been able to say like here's my list, like I'm terrible at it I can't make decisions like that, when someone says choose your favorite this I just I almost just want to be like okay I can't answer that I'll die now because that's that's easier than answering the question. I-I really like Einstein, cuz the dude was crazy as a loon.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:12] Going for a German-American.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:14] Yeah I know he didn't technically start here.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:20] But he did get citizenship here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:21] He did your audio.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:24] Since of thanks for coming.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:26] Your audio got a little fuzzy but that's okay we'll fix it in post.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:31] Well in pose so I'll just use what's recorded on Bertha over here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:35] Which I'm assuming is not why I'm assuming it's the send that's causing a problem it's just like it's almost like your audio switch devices though so you might want to check to make sure but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:49] I will double check.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:51] But it's probably just the send the favorite part your top three people from the Americas Zaydiee and and that that would be my number one that would be my number one, what would be Zaydiee, she's my favorite.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:08] Sadie would be your number one.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:10] Sadie if you my favorite American yeah ghost.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:14] I think we were given, gimme answers.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:16] Go and just super stereotypical my wife is my favorite American.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:22] Wife I like my wife I'm not biased or anything she's awesome.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:30] Yeah yeah not biased at all.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:33] Big zhanna Treach says Chuck Norris,

and I don't want to roll my eyes because he might actually legitimately mean that because he's not as a lineal,

but gen Z and Millennials are all like Chuck Norris hahaha but Biggs isn't even in that generation so he might legitimately.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:56] We actually.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:57] Generally mean Chuck Norris.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:58] A whole lot of Texas Walker Ranger so he could actually mean like because I watched some of the old Chuck Norris movie.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:04] Walker Texas Ranger was legit.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:07] And same with like some of the older movies where it's like oh he could actually break your nose okay cool like oh yeah he worked that guy's arm out by accident oops.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:17] He could he could he was pretty amazing Biggs in follows up by saying Abraham Lincoln as his second person, and Zaydiee says she doesn't think she has any top three favorite Americans family aside.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:37] Zadie is like me she really struggles like my favorite if you want to break her just going in that go in there and be like pick your favorite this, and then just watch her facade crumble as her mind goes 10,000 different places that's a fictional person.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:55] John Hurt.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:56] No that's not someone from America's that's what I meant.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:59] Okay I was like fictional person what.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:02] I will allow Keanu Reeves but John Hurt is British, Bruce Lee I don't know if we can consider him I don't know if he was ever fully.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:16] I don't think he was an American citizen.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:18] I don't think he was Snape yeah try.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:23] Definitely not.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:24] That's not his name but I don't think the Al I don't think Alan Rickman was either I think he was European, but that's okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:36] He's a British actor.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:47] The question was American actors or American people which means North South Central America, I would have to say probably my favorite American though would be whoever in my in my past actually came here.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:08] Hahaha the one that blessed you with being born and men in the Americas.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:16] Because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:22] There's a lot of good countries out there though there's a lot of bad countries but there's a lot of good countries.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:27] And you know mine didn't have to flee their country because they were horse thieves so you know we're it's okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:35] I don't know what you're talking about. That was really low I don't care it's not me it was them Zaydiee says been Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki, she's a big Supernatural fan, yeah except the new Walker Texas Ranger. Yeah it's pretty bad it's not.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:11] I didn't I didn't want to I didn't want to even try it because it didn't seem like it would be oh wow even Zaydiee says it's hard to watch and that's literally one of her top 10s.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:23] It's not written well for him and they took this concept this iconic concept that Chuck Norris played so well and then try to make it into a modern sitcom, and so it's got this cringe to it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:41] Mmm, and big said that our ancestors weren't horse thieves that I know of which now worries me a little, no we are definitely not blaming him as an actor some rolls just aren't made for people.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:06] And I understand why he did it you know it makes sense even.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:11] A bad scripts a bad.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:12] Definitely wasn't written with him in mind.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:15] I mean you can't there's been like there's some people like you're like I love this person and you watch this movie you're like they didn't read the script beforehand.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:25] And unfortunately with TV shows there isn't always a script beforehand, there's a pilot and then yeah there's a concept and the writers are writing while you're recording, and you know sometimes they're coming in with updates as you're about to do a thing and you're like can I gotta learn these new lines for the same that I'm already recording that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:49] One of the one of the weird things though is when you realize some of the actors but you don't I mean some of the writers but you don't realize they're writers like today.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:59] Speaking of riders Russell T Davies is retaking, the Masthead of Doctor Who what why are you being like that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:17] I don't know how I feel about it a hundred percent.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:21] He wrote for nine he wrote for 10.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:23] I know he's not a bad writer, he's not a bad writer it just it always worries me when someone exits whether by their choice or not and then comes back, because it can cause one of two things it can cause the show to have a visible switch, which it can be super fourth wall breaking, anytime someone changes but when it changes in the changes back it can cause some issues so I don't know how I feel about it until I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:03] But you do know why they're bringing him back right.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:06] Because the current writers are doing so terrible is what I heard yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:12] No no it's not that you heard it it's that Chris Chibnall who is literally the head of the show right now set it, we are bringing him back hoping he can redo for Doctor Who now what he did in 2005.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:31] Now was it his.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:32] Revitalizing a dead show.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:36] Was it his choice choice to leave.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:38] As far as I know it is yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:40] Okay so maybe it wasn't bad maybe if it was his choice to leave and he doesn't hold any hostilities then maybe it'll be okay I just I've seen.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:48] You find out later.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:50] Yeah and.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:52] Constant left and everything it was and they said oh he was playing you know to introduce regeneration to a new people and then later it came out that you know it didn't go down that way and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:07] But I was watching a particular show and this particular show does now they haven't always but recently they started in the last season at the end of the show the writers for that show make comments on the show and one of the writers, showed up and I went. I didn't realize that she wrote for the show like I love her comedy I love watching her do other things that she's done some of her DND stuff.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:38] And what is her name.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:41] I don't know that's yeah I don't I don't know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:47] Very much the same way I'll see it recognize it remember their work and then 10 minutes later I'll be like I don't know what that name was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:56] I can't even remember the main writer of that show and it's his production company.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:02] I just now we were talking the second ago I had to go look up the names of Supreme Court Justices, just in case I got asked who's your number four so I could remember what the guys name is that is my number four so I had to go look up what his name is because I can't remember the name, I remember some of the opinions he wrote in decisions from when he was sitting in the Supreme Court but I can't remember his name.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:27] I can never remember actress I have to IMDb a movie I can remember and hope I remember that name, and then get to the person there have been times I've had to IMDb another actor because I couldn't remember the name of the movie to then look up the act the person in the movie to then go look up with the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:47] You're like an oak I know Kevin Bacon's and that one movie with him wait that doesn't narrow it down, Samuel Jackson was in it no that doesn't narrow it down even.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:57] This happened this happened to us the other day where we were watching Deep Space Nine and I was like is that person that person and I couldn't remember either person's name, and you're like yes so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[29:15] Is that that person from the Orville with the you know the lady yes that is the doctor from the Orville yes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[29:21] Which is supposed to be coming back very very soon on Hulu because it is now a Hulu exclusive but it's supposed to be coming back there supposedly finished the next season which.

 

Pastor Bill:

[29:32] I should I should hope so I mean he he was literally at one of the ground-floor people that got Hulu started so like if his own show can't find an exclusive home on Hulu.

 

Pastor Newms:

[29:46] Well it was when he did that, Orville I mean Hulu and fox worked extremely well together and all of his other shows were on Fox but I guess Fox decided they didn't, deal with the Orville right now even though they had ordered the run and paid for it to be done but because they're the major shareholder for Hulu it was like I will just put it there let's be honest that's where all, we're watching it anyway none of no nerd.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:20] We're almost everybody was watching it just be honest.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:23] No one's no nerd watches live TV we just don't like your sports people do your people who need the news.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:30] Most of us who watch TV shows like you know the actual demographic they're going for for shows like the Orville we wait until the seasons done, and then binge the whole thing like, when when you when you're really sister dreaming and you're like we're going to release one episode every week until it's done and I'm like well then you're going to not see me in any of the viewership numbers until you've done releasing them all, just release them all and let me watch them anyway, current Contracting is tricky as far as residuals on streaming for paying actors and for paying production companies and until they update the way they contract for things like that, we won't see a lot of just dumps on to streaming.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:29] But but we're seeing a lot more because the Actors Guild's and stuff are forcing it because they know it's the future because no one,

especially Our Generation and especially the generation below us just don't even.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:43] We'll see the thinking the thinking in the past was and they crunch actual written thinking about live TV if a show yeah if a show releases, then it can charge a certain amount for commercials and beginning and then as the buzz builds, it can can charge more for  commercials which then is more Revenue which then puts more money in the actors Pockets so actors did make more money in the long run that way but now with streaming you've either got commercial free, or you've got commercials which you know there are some Hulu people that don't have the plus program they watch commercials even when they're streaming, and it ends up being just the opposite if you make this current generation wait the viewer numbers go down, as the season progresses not up because everything is so fast and available and it's right in front of our faces and, yeah so it just it doesn't really work for their benefit anymore to release them slow and drawn out.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:52] So I'm mute myself when I take a drink from that particular drink because it's very loud.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:57] It's awful it's awful.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:58] And the funny thing is is when were on teams Discord doesn't care discords like cool you muted yourself that was nice, but teams is like hurry we can't hear you but we know you're trying to talk.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:16] It's the big thing pops up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:18] And so because I have to capture your whole screen it actually happens on the stream to it's like I can't hear you you're like you're not supposed to um so I try to dismiss it as quick as I can but that just started happening again.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:32] Oh man that's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:34] Week so I don't know what so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:38] People watching the live it's like we can't hear you we are not supposed to hear me I'm just watching a live show I don't know why why do you want to hear me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:44] I'm drinking a drink.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:48] All right now we're really warmed up at this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:52] We're ten minutes past warmed up.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:54] We're like well warm up is a feeling not a Time.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:57] But let's be honest I mean there are times where we deserve to have Grace in the amount of time that we a lot for things and as,

people will forgive us for running over in our warm up.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:20] This silence is me contemplating going back to a one House show.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:28] Come back we're good.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:33] As I said we're going to be looking at Hebrews chapter 4 and if you want to turn there or queue there in your device, let's start in verse 14 of Hebrews chapter 4, "Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the son of God, let us hold fast to our confession, for we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses but one who has been tempted in every way as we are, yet without sin, therefore let us approach the throne of grace with boldness so that we may receive mercy and find Grace, to help us in time of need." Thoughts Pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

I've never liked that word.

 

Pastor Bill:

Confession?

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:44] Yeah so confession.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:46] Statement of the mouth.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:48] Um acknowledgement, profession Pro like you've professed something confession nowadays often means something different than what this word implies the KJV actually, uses.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:05] Translated profession.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:06] Profession yeah the Nasby and the CSB both do confession but it's homo Logan Logan Logan whatever.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:18] Homo rgr.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:22] That's what I said, which is acknowledgement or con.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:29] Mmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:32] Fashion and professed, what is I've read the word, I didn't think about reading the phonetic under it that would make more sense to try to read since I don't read so well but you know it works this is why I let you deal with the Greek homie, tell me that don't look like tell me that look like home home or login.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:05] I don't know where you put it in there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:08] I'm not login.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:09] You said homo login mmm.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:11] Yeah like log in oh that's an a that's not an end, oh yeah I don't know man but no I, because at first I was like wait hold fast our confession but it's confessing the grace of GI okay I'm with us again.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:34] Yeah it's a confession of Covenant it's, specifically it's it's it's from the word Hummel ugh vo at oh sorry oh almost log oh,

Elmo low cheat IMA Logie gfo.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:58] I said it so bad he could not read the phonetics that's plainly written on the screen.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:03] I can't even read the phonetics anymore my brain is broken at this point I'm looking at the screen going I know how phonetics work I can't read this phonetics right now anyway it's it's a confession of your relationship but that's not where, are at the moment one of the one of the things that jumped out at me that I want to just hit on right quick is in verse 15 right. We do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses but one who has been tempted in every way as we are yet without sin. So when you mmm when you feel tempted to do something that you know is feel like is suspect is wrong, right and we're not talking about oh so and so said this was wrong and and I don't think it is but when you feel tempted to do something that's wrong, think about the fact that Jesus also faced the same, now it may not have been exactly the same thing because Jesus didn't have cars TVs, you know computers so it may not be the exact same thing but the base of that Temptation the actual root of the Temptation how you apply the temptation to other situations, Jesus faced those same type of Temptations you know Temptations to steal temptation to kill temptation to, covet your neighbor's whatever you know I'm trying to tie these back into phrases that the Bible uses that we still face, but we might not see them the same way you know my only using the same scenarios.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:01] Like my neighbor who's got the car that I really really want and when you press on the gas pedal it just goes vroom vroom and I want it so bad and, it's not mine but every time I every time she starts her car and I'm in my office I'm like so so pretty, I want one so bad now that's you know there is a line between I will do anything to get it and, true sinful covetousness but it sounds so pretty I get I get real close with that,

Challenger next door of coveting my wife my neighbor's horse well that's what it is it's her horsepower.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:44] It is her horsepower yeah yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:46] You sound so pretty.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:47] All right so we're 16 therefore let us approach the throne of grace, with boldness so that we may receive mercy and find Grace to help us in time of, so often the terms mercy and Grace are used interchangeably, in modern vernacular but not so much in biblical vernacular.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:21] No they they mean very different things.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:24] These are two very different things right so, we're receiving Mercy what is Mercy.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:40] I just clicked away from the exact definition.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:44] In your words what is Mercy.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:49] Um being merciful isn't the correct answer to what is Mercy.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:57] No it isn't that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:58] Showing compassion being like, merciful is the only word coming to my mind and it's not it's not correct but, showing kindness showing compassion to people even when they don't deserve it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:21] When they don't deserve it, that's mercy and that's the key to Mercy Mercy exists when you don't deserve it if you deserve it it's not Mercy. It's no mercy right right and what is Grace. Make it easier for you we have um never credit card and your bill is due every month what is a grace period.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:10] Is there withholding of the punishment.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:12] It's a withholding of punishment within a certain window right. But Grace exists in Windows they always do, right there's graciousness they have such Grace and you know bestowing Grace, so basically Grace is this distance from punishment, and we come to the throne of grace, we come to the throne that is just tensed distance from punishment so that we receive Mercy, but we haven't earned, you haven't earned this Mercy not that we learned torture. Right but that we haven't learned the mercy, and we find there when we receive this Mercy we find there this grace, and so I always use the analogy of the highway the Mountain Highway right so someone built a Mountain Highway, and people were, hitting these curves too hard and flying off the mountain and dime so something had to be done, so somebody came along and they built a guardrail now what happens.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:09] Depending on how fast you are going you might get saved by the guardrail.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:14] You might or your plow right through it but you can see the Edge from a distance now right this is what God did when he gave the law,

all I can see the edge, but the law is not going to stop me from going over the edge and the edge is still there all the law did was make it easier for me to see The Edge, The Edge was already there but now I can see the edge, Mercy is after you've gone over the edge the emergency responders coming and pulling your busted but back up onto the road. And that's what Jesus did, he came and pulled our busted butts back onto the road when we fall off when we fell off if we're all in a bus together and that bus goes down the road and it falls over, this is what Jesus did he when he got down there and he pulled us back up onto the road and now we have a decision, we can stay on the road or we can jump back in the ditch now the analogy is kind of getting muddy but let's get to the grace part, imagine someone came along and said there's a lot of people dying on this road what if we dig into the mountain, and we create more Lanes so if people want to drive next to the guardrail they can, but if they wanted to distance themselves from the guardrail and drive over there where it's safer they also can, that's Grace choosing to drive over there away from the guardrail, is there anything wrong with driving next to the guardrail no not if you're being responsible. Right, this is Grace these extra Lanes all these extra Lanes this is your choice you've been given Grace you exist in Grace, and you choose am I going to drive over there and my going to drive over here, it doesn't matter which part of that distance from the Intermountain you're driving you're still driving on the road within Grace, and what happens when you do plow through the guardrail Mr. Mercy is down there, taking you back up Dustin you off putting you back on the road go in hey this isn't a problem this we dealt with this we dealt with this problem, and now we're all driving down the road under grace we have to decide now, what destination are we driving tour. There's only two destinations faith or not safe. Right I use it a lot.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:08] You do I don't a hundred percent agree, the window is is freaking out and it's making my eyes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:42] Come on man you got like five minutes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:44] I know I know so for for me you know Grace is always been, you know God gave us the law we know what the law is we some of us,

we know what Sin is Sin is missing the mark not being perfect there are things that are in the law that are sin there are things that are, just out of the law and then still sin you know we have all these things and I think that, the grace is that, ability that God has through Jesus what you know him covering us is that covering that we have so that we don't, receive the eternal punishments for sin which, works on your analogy but I think takes it a step further that the people who built the highway also included awnings to protect from hail.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:59] You mean you mean you mean fire and brimstone.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:02] Hail hail hail hail hail hail mean.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:04] Sulfur fire Brimstone blood big says.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:10] I got well Bloods the covering.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:13] Oh oh oh.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:14] I got I got scolded earlier because I said high knees you know what high needs help with that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:20] And you meant high knees.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:22] Jaime's yeah he kicking kick you know hitting your hands with your knees high knees and and my wife and Phoenix both looked at me and went, how's her heinie going to help and I'm like no no doing high knees How would.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:42] What are you gonna do to the hiney.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:44] What are you wanting or nine-year-old to do, and I'm like no like when you standing you do like this and you touch your high knees yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:55] Yeah yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:57] Up to Country, hail can mean both both the physical and the spiritual so to me that's, always what Grace has been I get the guardrail I understand, and agree with you I just think it takes it that step farther of that covering us from the Eternal punishment which I know you,

equate to Mercy as well and sanctification and when you get to the end that's when those decisions are made they're really again.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:31] They're not interchangeable the words aren't interchangeable but they're really Tangled.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:35] I made it I made it 57 and a half minutes before I say it, English is a bad language so because of that the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:47] Surprised you made it that far.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:48] Get fuzzy, but I think that that to me that's the grace is that that covering of you know, certain amounts of our sin has consequences you know as Paul says you know anything is permissible but not everything is uplifting or healthier I can't move which word to you, beneficial thank you so there are consequences for things not everything uplifts you but Grace helps cover some of that, and allows us to move through it now.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:26] But not not physically.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:28] Not physically now I will say in that there is this concept that is taught in some, modern churches very very modern and some old of hyper Grace yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:42] Grace as I would shocking about hyper Grace.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:45] Which you know as we believe here.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:49] In this analogy.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:51] In the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:52] Somebody filled the valley with concrete.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:54] And there's no way to run off the road the hole.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:58] No way there are other.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:59] Abel.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:01] It's all concrete and it's inside of a giant warehouse now and we're all running circles on the left.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:07] So

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:08] Hyper Grace.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:09] We don't as as myself, and I know Pastor Bill so I could technically say the brand Manifesto as a whole does not condone hyper Grace of there is no such thing as consequences and God will cover all of our, consequences both now later forever nothing hurts your spirit nothing hurts your soul nothing has any effect.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:37] And we see evidence here of Jesus needing to wipe away every tear in the end when we're in our spiritual bodies and it's like well what are we crying about, did you miss the bay my part, did you miss the Judgment part where your where your judge your spirit is judged and it carries all that stuff with did you miss that part like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:02] Great Grace has him looking at us and going you messed up a lot but, you did I like you made the right decisions in the end you messed up a lot o and.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:17] If my if my son came to me and he said I've been hiding it but I like men, he would say boys he would say men Grace would look back and say okay, it doesn't change anything you still have the security of your bed you still live in my home you still eat my food you still have my love that's Grace. Mercy, is when he goes out and he gets some girl pregnant he comes home and says I messed up I got so and so Pregnant Mercy says all right you and I were team, this doesn't change anything we're going to deal with the consequences we together that's Mercy.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:26] Interloping interlocking inner weaving of you know the terms of grace and mercy and sanctification in just not justification,

not salvation not sanctification, me moving my hands up and down or not going to help me find it so I don't know why I'm doing it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:56] Jurisprudence I don't know where you going with this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:59] Man I don't know I don't either but there's so much that it in your intertwines that it becomes very hard to separate them all into Concepts sometimes, and so but yeah I think that's a really big deal of grace and mercy and we have to continue to show it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:33] Not just to others, one of the steps to loving yourself is allowing yourself some Grace and some mercy, continue with what you were going to stay there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:49] I don't need that today I don't need you preaching at me while we're sitting here I thank you so I was I was in the the the family bible study this week and, the the lady that's teaching it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:08] Are you sure you want to talk about this all right.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:10] Yeah I do I do.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:13] I'm not gonna stop you I just want to make sure you thought this through.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:16] Not someone in the family I don't mean like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:18] No just the whole topic just the whole situation I just want to make.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:24] I know what I'm doing um if I could.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:27] What I'm afraid of.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:28] If I go too far I'll hear about it Saturday jerk family but she brought up a verse and was talking about this particular verse, and then she,

jumped ahead and used another verse but the verses in between the two verses that she used see I handled it the verses in between talked about how we have to use gentleness, with others, outside of and it was really funny because you know it's one of those moments where when you read it you're like oh that's what I've been basing some things on because the language and how it's used I'm like, this is what I've said to people I forgot we're like you last week we were like I found this thing that I've based this huge part of my life on it I don't getting remember it for me this is this part in 2nd Timothy 2:20, for is where this particular thing starts so that second Timothy 2:24 because I know I put a lot of extra hose in that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:45] Which says.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:46] Which says the Lord's servant must not quarrel, but be gentle to everyone able to teach and patient instructing his opponents with gentleness perhaps God will grant them repentance leading them to the knowledge of Truth, they may come to their senses and escape the Trap Of The Devil who has taken them captive to do his will and, you know there's a lot of extra words in there than I don't you know aren't the point. I was making they're all important but not where I was going which is you know, we have to when we are instructing or when we are preaching or when we are helping people we have to do it with gentleness and it just brings to mind, so often there are people who don't,

we've all dealt with it to hell fire and brimstone preachers, in the Evangelical Community now I'm not saying preaching hell is bad because hell is a place you have to preach it but the whole like, you know taking it that step too far, where you're like n because you've ever sinned you're gonna you know and Europe you're this and you're that and attacking the person, when they take that step past talking about the wages of sin is death when they take that step past it and start talking about the person and attacking people that don't agree with them, so we have you know there's a lot of ministry that happens to people who know the Bible. And have walked away from it their teachings there upbringings or never accepted it because, found flaws over taught other things and so often Christians.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:52] Let's back up they didn't find flaws with the scripture they didn't find Falls with Jesus, well they might have some flaws with the Bible because a lot of people have a hard time understanding how things tie in and what things culturally okay but the main thing that people have had a problem with, is what's being taught in the church that doesn't reflect.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:02:20] Right often yes so but in that you get these people that, don't use gentleness they they there's this particular person I'm not going to name names because I won't speak ill of a pastor in a forum like this but this particular person, has made national headlines with some of the things he said and done. He's here in this area where I live because I know him from high school that's beside the point, he very much attacks,

people groups and people around him as opposed to dealing with people that disagree with him with gentleness if you disagree with this person or people like him, you don't get gentleness now that being said this is something I struggle with, Pastor Bill can tell you on multiple occasions when we have been dealing with people that I disagree with including Pastor Bill I do not, approach it with gentleness all the time I tell my children often Daddy has one emotion and it tends to be anger, and so once I get to a certain point it's just sorry everyone's so. I love this verse and I've always loved his thought processes of of as we talked about so much faith hope and love with the show love through gentleness when we're dealing with people who are our opponents, people that disagree with us and I love what it says in there, perhaps God will then will grant them repentance leading them to knowledge of the truth, it's not up to us to grab someone by the shirt drag them to the water, when in this case water is Jesus and shove their head in it and water boredom to the point where they believe what we're trying to teach,

harsh as Paul who tend to say things very very black and white was like we do have to be gentle though and sometimes you're like, is this the same dude who said like other things.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:01] Is this the same dude who at the stoning of Stephen volunteered to hold people's coats so that he could get a good seat to watch.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:10] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:11] And serve the people who were stoning this man to death is this the same person who crucified Christians upside down at this the same person ooh.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:21] It shows his maturity as he aged, in leading Timothy as Timothy was taking on a mantle of being in leadership it's very interesting to watch him go now when you're talking to people that don't like you you have to be nice about it and, I'm sure this is one of those things that Peter Peter was like I don't agree with Paul all the time because in my mind that something people.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:46] So some of those things that Paul teaches are hard to understand.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:52] But I struggle with this of being gentle but this is where I get the idea of friendship evangelism as opposed to, now I'm not saying street preaching is bad because I've done it too but the style of Hellfire and brimstone what we all know when I say that term preaching.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:14] Yeah street preaching without compassion is bad.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:19] And so when that something that it hit me this week and then you were like we're going to talk about Grace and I'm like I'm talking about gentleness just wrong, and so it was just interesting that this got brought up because it wasn't even something that, I was in the study I was working on it was around it and it was funny because someone else in the Bible study one of my family members brought up this passage also and I was like oh that's so great to hear you say that because that means you did the same thing I did where she said read this verse of this verse and you read all of these verses and went huh and so I thought that was really cool also and set, but it was just you know I wanted to bring that up, the whole thing about showing Grace is not just we get Grace from God we have to show Grace to those around us also,

because we should and then, wow interesting nope not going to go there.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:41] Okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:45] But yeah the KJV says in meekness which is interesting.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:54] Speak softly but carry a big stick.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:56] And the Nasby doesn't do instructing they say correcting so I find that to be that that even adds more hmm, to what I just I just I was like what's the Greek word that they're using their for gentleness and it's the same one that can be used for meekness in the same one that can be, anyway I just I wanted to end with that just because be nice to people please because, Paul said to.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:28] It's almost like you're saying allow them some Grace.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:35] Days what I'm saying is I said that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:08:39] He said that, alright so that was great if you want to join us when we record this live on Sunday evenings we do that every Sunday evening when we do it, if you show up and we're not here then we're probably not doing it that week don't worry you'll catch up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08:58] Or if you're like Biggs and you show up 1 minute early we're just running behind.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:04] What is running back so it's every Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time or Central Daylight time either way it'll be 6:30 by the clock where I live, that we go live and you can join us on Twitch, I almost said Periscope because restream was talking about Periscope this week it's twitch Facebook and YouTube yeah restream was like periscopes officially going away so you should add Twitter,

to your streaming and I was like Twitter No thank you, I'm fine with the static posts that we post to Twitter I really don't want to go live video to Twitter that's not.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:09:48] Like garbage people I don't like Twitter I've never liked.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:09:53] The land it's the land of post Malone sorry you said garbage people and so that's who I.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:10:01] Post Malone is not garbage people, I like post Malone.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:10:05] I'm aware that you like garbage people it's okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:10:08] He likes my favorite restaurant and I agree.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:10:11] Fine there was a whole series of of dolls made about him when he was a baby, that's okay they were called the Garbage Pail Kids anyway so you can join us on Sunday evenings.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:10:27] When I come back into town I'm going to go to mine and post Malone's favorite restaurant without you you're not invited.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:10:32] No I want to go to.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:10:34] Now you don't get to you don't get to go to the restaurant where post Malone has a picture with the owner you don't get to go.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:10:40] You you don't get to tell me when and where I can't go if I just happened to show up at the same time that you're there and sit at the same table as you do there's nothing you can do about it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:10:52] The worst part everyone out there in in everywhere land, is he's going to go at some point to my favorite restaurant because he can and I can't and I'm going to get a picture of just the buffet and him going so I can.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:11] That's probably going to happen this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:13] I can foresee it the neck.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:15] Just because you said that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:16] Wednesday when you're in North Richland Hills and I don't get to go to.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:19] So like I was saying, join us on Sunday evenings from record live so you can be part of the conversation in the chat and why are you pouting now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:31] Cuz I don't have a Mongolian restaurant here and now I'm depressed in one Mongolian.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:37] I saw I don't know if this is true but I saw a infographic this week and it was talking about populations, and it asserted the claim that the population of Tennessee is smaller than the population of Dallas and Fort Worth combined.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:58] If you're talking about the whole Metroplex I could honestly agree with that because there's only.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:03] Of Tennessee.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:04] There's only three big cities in Tennessee.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:08] That is mind-boggling to me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:10] No makes perfect sense to me I've lived.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:12] And it was like here's all the states that are smaller than the DFW metroplex and I'm not kidding you there's only like four or five states that have populations bigger, then the two cities in Northern Central Texas.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:30] I had a conversation with someone they're like the job market about the same for Nashville and and DFW and I'm like you don't understand the scale of DFW obviously but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:40] Obviously yeah all right I blew my mind I was like Shirley.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:46] Big says five so I think he might have seen the same infographic and he's saying you're wrong on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:51] I'd have you know what I was pretty clear on the disambiguation of the number that I was using with the.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:59] Just saying Biggs called you a liar.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:13:02] The relative or and you know the tone of my voice.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:13:07] Biggs said you're a liar.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:13:09] Okay he's welcome to his opinion so, come and join us on Sunday night see I keep trying to get through this thing where I'm inviting people to join us and we keep getting sidetracked come and join us when we record live if you prefer to listen to this on the podcast wherever you're getting your podcasts, more power to you I'd like to hear feedback if you have feedback you can send it to me email it to me or go find me on, Tick-Tock or or when the new Wisdom app drops later this month you can go find me on there or, whatever go find Pastor Newms on Twitch and bother him all right so we love you guys have a great week.

 

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe out there.

 

Pastor Bill:

Until next time…

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