S3EP48 - Unveiled

Pastor Bill:

[0:06] Welcome to season 3 episode 48 Berean Manifesto, brought to you by The Ekklesian House; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Some people thought they were having TV issues because people are just a black screen and audio.

 

Pastor Newms:

[0:29] TV, I will not talk bad about a brand normally, and I won't here for in this situation is why I'm saying I'm not going to say their name I love their monitors this particular company. Love their monitors my girls have the TV way too loud in the living room and hopefully they'll hear that and then turn it down that's beside the, um the. TV we have in the living room I bought because I love the monitors from this company and so I was like okay they must put out a good TV also, right we've had the TV for about a year and it is now like. We restarted a movie like eight times today and then ended up giving up instead of watching. On it. Um because it would just stop and freeze and we've tried using a different network we've tried all kinds of stuff. Multiple times hard resets because it's an Android device you know we've tried all of it Zaydiee says she can't hear us well, but I don't understand how that is because I can hear me through my headset and across the house so that confuses me a little, um Zaydiee do you mean you can't hear one of us.

 

Pastor Bill:

[2:13] Which is funny because Groggy says we're too loud. The same room watching on the same device.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:28] They're all sitting at the dining room table coloring I'm not sure what groggy is doing I don't know if he's coloring or just sitting there but yeah they're all over there so I'm not sure. Bill is a lot quieter that brain says you can hear him fine the lines state that bill is louder than me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:08] Okay the chat is a little live right.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:12] Our house our house is an open-concept house because it's cheaper not to put walls and let's be honest that's the only reason Builders build oh. It go there I've always found it to be a rip off but that's beside the point so they are in the dining room and he is on the couch.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:33] Technically they're in different rooms.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:35] The couch is technically separate from the couch is the separator between the two rooms so fine they are not all in the same room.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:49] Okay well tonight's episode we have titled Unveiled, but before we get into, it's time to get to know the pastor's and it doesn't look like you've pulled out your card yet Pastor Newms it's your week.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:05] I know that because it was your week last week I just hadn't showed you that  I'm holding mine.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:10] And it's not even up this even-numbered episode sir.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:12] I don't pay attention to either of those two things so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:16] You literally asked me what the episode number was earlier because you were making the folder.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:20] And yet you assumed I didn't have my card.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:23] I knew you didn't have your card ready because usually when it's your turn you're sitting there playing with it fidgeting.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:29] I do not fidget with the card.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:31] You're fidgeting with it right now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:33] To ask I don't know what you're talking about sir I don't even know what gaslighting means.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:40] Gaslighting are you? You're the one who just brought that up. What does the card say. Silence, no he was rejected the first card.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:57] We're not doing that it there's too much ambiguity it's not actually going to tell us anything about ourselves other than we don't like it hot I mean we already know that so okay. Oh this one's going to break your brain because you can get real upset about this one you ready.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:17] Oh my goodness okay here we go.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:20] Thinking back to all the great TV series finales that you have ever seen over all the years. Which show do you believe had the best final episode. So of all your fandoms choose which one ended the best now I will not answer this question, because, I hate endings so I'm not going to answer the question but I will answer which is the worst of one of my favorite television shows and that is, a show from the 90s where old show from the 90s called Dark Angel and I own both the American and a Korean copy of the entire series. And the first season ends real well goes right into the second season real well, and then we get to the end of the second season and Dark Angel, who's played by Jessica Alba, who's a genetically created person blah blah blah blah blah she runs up this ramp and starts to jump this fence into this area too, in protest and in you know to go save the people in fight against the people that are in this area and as she's crossing over the fence the season ends because they were supposed to be a third season. And so forever she's just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:12] She's just flying over.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:13] In the air just Midway over a fence that has. Barbed wire wrap on it there's been Fanfictions there was a comic book written about it but I've never looked at any of them just because I was so angry that they ended it that way, and I just thought about it it's probably a good time I should try to find it online and introduce the girls to that I think they might enjoy that show it was one of the first shows me and my wife watch together because I forced her to watch them when we were still friends back in the day and I made her watch the on a laptop the DVD versions that were from Korea. So Billiam, what is your answer?

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:04] I have no idea.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:10] Come on that's not fair.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:22] Unveiled, unveiled tonight... I really like how they ended Sense8 on Netflix

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:36] Never seen.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:38] A mind-bending psychological intimate Journey.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:41] Oh that thing.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:48] Not intended for those. It's NC-17 let's put it that way.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:59] Okay okay, so I will say another thing that's really important right now because it's just that cool there's nothing to do with anything we're talking about but I just got took a drink and so I want to show it sneak who is my favorite, energy drink company released metal shakers and it's laser-etched, tactile nice, tastes better because it's metal instead of plastic that allows you know Nast in two days because drinking out of plastic is disgusting so anyway I just wanted to throw that out there that good on them.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:49] Phoenix on Twitch says Game of Thrones was the worst ending.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:57] Never finished it couldn't get past how bad it got at certain points and just never finish.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:05] I wasn't happy with the way Angel ended, the series with David Boreanaz, they intentionally trigger the apocalypse to try to stop the secret society that was trying to end the world, and it's got like this horde of demons are coming and the last scene is Angels got this ax and he's running into the horde of demons, and it goes off, and it wasn't intended to be the end of the story it was just intended to be the end of the season because it was the most popular show on the network, and then they drug their feet on you know renewing everybody and so Josh Whedon went in and said hey my guys are getting offers from other shows, we need to know if we're being renewed or not and the network head thought he was giving him an ultimatum and so he just canceled the show instead of just level-headedly answering the question of whether or not the stars of the show should take the other offers they're getting or not and that was the death of that show.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:20] Which I never finished that show I enjoyed it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:22] That's a good show they.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:26] Another one of those 90.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:28] Definitely should have replaced everyone in the writers room about halfway through the final season when they released an episode where all the characters get turned into puppets but other than that it's a great show.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:43] Yeah but that the 90s was the era of like let's do really dumb like we have this gritty Sci-Fi show and it's like let's, let's do something really stupid like make a whole episode of musical make a whole episode cartoon.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:57] Hey hey the musical ever.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:00] Make a whole episode no no no it was terrible.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:02] And test it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:03] It was terrible I don't care I don't care the episode of Buffy where there's no speaking whatsoever I know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:11] Songs in The Buffy Musical on our shared playlist. So how was your week pastor.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:31] Growl at you in disgust my week was good it was very good. It was good I was fixing to preface with I was very busy so I didn't get to play games as much as I enjoy and this was the last week of my training, at work next week I am by myself so it's just been a little bit of a stressful week but good overall, but I have was not happy with lots of situations in the amount of distressing that I was able to do throughout this week.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:16] And one that really got your goat the worst more than anything else that happened this week was the lack of Venom 2 leaks online.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:26] Okay I wasn't going to talk about that because that's illegal.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:29] You're not the one leaking it, you're just coming across them.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:33] We weren't going to talk about that but yeah that made me real mad on Friday night like a baby real mad. Real mad because we didn't want to go to the theater because it's so expensive to go to the theater even just for adults, the tickets are $14 a piece for a theater that I don't want to actually step in, because it's not a nice theater like if I was going to somewhere that had like you know red carpets and you know something like worth going into cool this is a movie theater and, a city here in Tennessee. I don't want to go there to begin with I don't want to go spend 40 sorry 53 whatever dollars just to walk in the door. I was so upset so we wouldn't play pool. Which is not bad because it's really weird that one of the pool halls here in Murfreesboro, is actually one of the top rated restaurants in on not the Uber Eats the other one.

GrubHub, they're one of the top restaurants in GrubHub because certain of their food is just that good and like when I read that like in the bar you're like hmm right I bet it is you know and then I actually ordered the burger. And I was like oh. This burger is better than some actual burger places like this is, not all their food was great but their burger was I was like okay yeah I can see why someone would actually order this to be delivered to their house because some food I'm like why would you order that to be delivered to your house like I do,

I don't get it but this I would this I would it was really good burger and so. And somehow it ended up talking for over 30 minutes with the waitress about things so you know as always I can't leave the house without, have you finished your opportunity at random places.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:08] Strip clubs, Walmart, restaurants.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:11] Now we hook why are you got it why are you got a straight up go with the worst one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:16] We went to a.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:17] The past and it was yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:18] Went to a strip club for this bachelor thing and and it me and my brother-in-law were sitting at the table and we noticed Newms has been missing for a while, he is outside, sitting with the strippers in the smoking section just having a normal conversation they're all fully dressed just being ladies just having their smoke breaks and he's out there like oh girl I feel ya I just hate it when that happens and I'm like,

you ditched us inside to come hang out, he's outside and he's like hey man I just I'm just being me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:53] It's odd it's really funny we talk about our relationship quite often, and you love Ministry and you love ministering to people that is something you love I, I would prefer to be not talks to normally at all, like even with, this podcast you had to drag me and force me you should really do the podcast part with me I don't want to do the podcast part with you I'll be with you for the other parts I'm not doing the you should really do but I don't want to be with you for the I don't need it I don't want it I don't, I don't need people to look at my face I don't want people to hear my voice I'm good and we're very different in those types of ways because you prefer you like that, and yet everywhere The Waitresses the cashiers the the yes Tina's like, why are you talking to the people what the girls are like Daddy stop talking to the people I didn't start the conversation, trying to go home too but once you know you get to a point where you're like, all right this person is talking to me or I'm talking to this person cool no problem and then like you know the Holy Spirit leads the conversation, to religion and you're like well now I can't walk away like I'm morally obligated now to finish the conversation until that person is done because if you pass up a Ministry opportunity. You're kind of a garbage person in my mind but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:37] I would have to agree with that assessment.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:41] Biggs is correct it is because of him the same thing happens to him and it's you put the two of us out and you're not getting anywhere fast like just don't plan on you know which can run and grab food real quick now we're going to be there for an hour and a half, whether or not we're eating the whole time like you're not getting out of here and so yeah it is it is something that Biggs does as well and so but yeah ended up, very nice conversation with a lady who, is an ex-catholic in whose boyfriend is still in religion and she was struggling with it and ended up literally having a 30-minute conversation while she was trying to put in Tina's Wing order. And it was slow so she didn't have other tables so she was just standing at the table talking about you know at the pool table talking to us and I was like hi groggy and Heather just sat down there like what.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:32] This is going to be a while.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:33] It's fine anyway how was your.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:40] My week was great I think.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:44] You had date night.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:45] Date night yesterday which was very nice we went to an event by a company called fever the event was called House of Spirits,

we got a VIP VIP entry and then they came with this lovely Scotch drinking cup not that I drink Scotch because I. Keep alcohol in the house at all.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:10] I was like scotch, that I can't imagine.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:13] Is that not a scotch cup that's the scotch cup is it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:15] No no no you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:16] But you can't imagine me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:18] Imagine yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:20] Now yeah so it was a.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:20] No that's not yeah I can't see that at all.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:22] It was they called it a haunted mini cocktail soiree, and it basically was there was like four stations with with cocktail stations and my wife BatBrain she put up the, the pictures on her Facebook page if you're friends with her on Facebook, and as for many cocktail stations and each one was named and and you know bespoke crafted around a different part or rather a different character of the overall ghost story surrounding the. And it was a lot of fun just to you know get around a bunch of adults and pretend that. I don't know we were just kind of there and it was like let's pretend it spooky and, have fun and there was a in the dark maze downstairs with, you know one jump-scare at the end and then there was a Monster Hunt upstairs where you basically just went from room to room and hung out with this this person to know, full costume inspired by the paintings of a Madman who was driven mad by losing his daughter and, and they were like they'd point something on the picture or they point a part of the room yet to find the thing they wanted to give it to them and then they point you out of the room and you'd go speak to the next person.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:50] It's definitely well done.

 

[21:58] Yeah these are really good pictures love her tights.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:02] All right so we had a lot of fun and but the last the last cocktail the VIP cocktail it was made with this ghost vodka oh yeah all you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:14] That's a ghost.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:15] It's so spicy all you can taste is the spicy all that ghost vodka it doesn't even have any flavor it's so spicy it's just it just hurts it's just the pain of the spiciness, so that was that was a little intense but we had a lot of fun and then we went to Moxie's in Downtown Dallas I don't know if anybody's ever been to Moxie's bat-brains says thanks for the compliment on her pictures, she took all of those pictures except for the one that I edited were you know she was like do the mirror thing if you can and so I took, you know some pictures and then edit it in my Photoshop to make it look like she was looking at her mirror reflection was doing something different than her.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:59] And yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:04] So it's a Moxie's and Moxie's is a um, it's known as a test kitchen so like when big restaurants want to try new recipes but they want to get a feel for them first they'll hire Moxie's to carry it on their menu for a while so each one that you go to has kind of a different, he's going to have a different menu then each other and the menu will change from time to time, but I got the so if you're headed to Moxie's in Dallas right now I got the the vindaloo is beef vindaloo on the menu but I substituted in for chicken let me tell you, it was real, then dilute this is wasn't like the watered-down Americanized cheapened you know mild stuff this was the I'm going to break off my piece of non and pick up some, um It's a vindaloo for my bowl and I'm going to put in my mouth and I'm going to start coughing and my sinuses are going to be instantly clearer than they've been in months, that kind of vindaloo, it was great. I fell asleep in the in the lift on the way to the event and then Roxanne fell asleep in the lift on the way back from the event so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:18] You forced everyone to go to Facebook congratulations.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:23] Congratulations.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:24] In the in the middle of the middle of our livestream everyone with the face.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:35] What are we going to do there was an uptick in like three people came to Facebook all at the same time. You're welcome Facebook all right so that's all I really have to share about this week I. We can't think of anything else I need to share about this way that was the big highlight of my week was the date night with my wife.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:59] Date nights always good date night is always fun.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:04] Date night is good, Moxie's is a little expensive though just fair warning the only reason that I got the permission to stay and have a meal at Marty's is because it's somewhere that I wanted to try since I started driving for Uber every time I drop somebody off over there I be like I want to try that one day but it is, expensive but it was really good so yes I fall asleep if I close my eyes, that is a fact my biology my wife falls asleep if she's tipsy so I fell asleep on the way there she fell asleep on the way back. Because you know I close my eyes she's for like two seconds and then and then and I was out. Well not made of money and even insurance is too expensive so there you go.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:09] That's not a cheap procedure to begin with because you gotta do the whole sleep study stuff it's getting cheaper to actually do the sleep studies because they've started to do like at home sleep study.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:19] Yeah I can order an at-home sleep study it's like a hundred and fifty bucks a night but then how am I supposed to pay for a $3,000 apnea machine and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:30] That's the that's the that's the problem some of them are very expensive.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:34] Some of the math like the cheapest one I could find.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:37] Well I'm.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:39] They would like six hundred dollars down and did it up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:43] There's there's ways around it but you gotta go through a home health to get that and that of course is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:54] Focus this back down in on the topic here because it's time for that we're talking about unveiled like the concept is unveiled so, we I say it a lot newms doesn't realize I say we say it but it's not we as me I say it we are not like Moses we are not veiled, and this is a concept that I've brought up from the very very beginning of the equation house and this was the thing that I was reading you know I was reading through the other day and I was like hey I didn't realize this is where I got that concept from, we brought that up last week and then it was just it wouldn't go away it was just on my heart that yeah okay this is what we need to talk about. We are in 2nd Corinthians chapter 3 I highly, if you've never read through 2nd Corinthians chapter 3 you should if you've never studied second Corinthians chapter 3, you should you should spend some time in second Corinthians chapter 3 because it's really good but for those of you who haven't read it yet I'm about to read it to you it's only, 18 verses, so I'm going to read it to you and then we'll focus in on just the part that we're talking about tonight and how it applies to the way I use it and and the concept here at The Ekklesian House and with The Berean Manifesto, and it's the concept we're talking about as presented in 2nd Corinthians has more than one facet to it and we can talk about you know, the different ways to look at it and then also you know like I said the way I'm using. So we'll certain in verse 1 of second Corinthians chapter 3 are we beginning to commend ourselves again, or do we need like some letters of recommendation to you or from you you yourselves are our letters, written on our hearts known and read by everyone, you show that you are Christ letter delivered by us not written with ink but with the spirit of the Living God not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human. Such is the confidence we have through Christ before God, it is not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything as coming from ourselves, but our actor adequacy is from God he has made us competent to be Ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter kills but the spirit gives life. Now with the ministry that brought death chiseled and letters on Stones came with Glory, so that the Israelites were not able to gaze steadily at Moses's face because of its Glory which was set aside, how will the ministry of the spirit not be more glorious, for if the ministry that brought condemnation had Glory the ministry that brings righteousness overflows with even more Glory, in fact, what had been glorious is not glorious Now by comparison because of the glory that surpasses, for what was set aside was glorious what indoors will be even more glorious. Since then we have such a hope we act with great boldness, we are not like Moses who used to put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from gazing steadily until the end of the glory of what was being set aside, but their minds were hardened for to this day at the reading of the old Covenant the same Veil remains, is not lifted because it is only set aside I'm sorry I, mix the only where it's not supposed to be because it is set aside only in Christ yet still today whenever Moses is read a veil Lies over their heart, but whenever a person turns to the Lord the veil is removed,

now the Lord is the spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. We all with unveiled faces, are looking as in a mirror at the glory of the Lord and are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, this is from the Lord who is the spirit okay. So what is Paul talking about here with Moses and a veil and the glory and all the stuff that he's talking about so in Exodus, where is The Exodus Exodus chapter 34, it talks about Moses would go into the tent of meeting and he would meet face-to-face with God, and then he'd come back out his face would be shining with the glory of the Lord so much so that the people in the camp of the Israelites were afraid,

to talk to him afraid to go up and even be near him because he was showing with the glory of the Lord and they would sit there and they would stare at it. Until it faded and he became normal old Moses again and life went on, as normal okay you know that's that's fine so what Moses would start doing is he would put on a veil over his face. And we saw talking to God he take the veil off and then he'd leave this into meeting he'd put the veil back on and then he'd leave the veil on. And speak to the people on behalf of God like he had done when his face was glowing for them, and when his face would then stop glowing he'd leave the veil on. And people would think. He was still glowing with the glory of the Lord and had recently talked to God and that everything he was saying was still from this position of, someone that was heavily influenced by the glory of the Lord and it was this kind of this kind of little chink in his armor this little imperfection, that Moses kept this Veil on even though the glory had a faded and he was just regular old Joe Schmo again, okay so there's there's two concepts here that Paul is playing off of back and forth, one he's saying don't be ashamed of the Gospel, you are a Christian don't be ashamed of who you are don't be ashamed to let people know don't be ashamed of the glory of the Lord don't be ashamed of the fact that you are set apart to be holy don't be ashamed of that, at the same time because Paul's got to be, careful he's writing to Gentiles he's he knows Jews are going to be reading what he's writing he knows Romans are going to read it so he's got it he's got to say things that always mean multiple things and we've this, awesome thing together is awesome concept together to give a whole idea. At the same time he saying even though you've got this Christianity and you've got this glory and you've got this remember, you are still being renewed you when you look in the mirror still see Joe Schmo, and you are steadily being changed. So it's the same time that you're not ashamed of the Gospel you're not ashamed of your Christianity you're not ashamed of who you are in Christ don't pretend that you're. Don't pretend don't Vale your imperfections. In a veil of oh no I'm a Christian I'm perfect take it take it by my word the my face is glowing I've still got the glory. Do it the veil altogether, you don't be ashamed of the Gospel don't be ashamed of your Christian don't pretend to be perfect don't pretend like you don't have flaws don't pretend like you've never been to a strip club don't pretend like you don't play video games don't pretend like you don't have, a miniature cocktail and a date with your wife right, um you are a regular person a regular individual person and when I say you know we're not veiled here, that's what I'm talking about we're not ashamed of our faith we're not ashamed to sit to speak our faith and at the same time we're not afraid to wear shirts that have Deadpool riding a unicorn on, while we're doing Ministry with our microphones muted.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:52] It was not muted I must have I really did mute that to take a drink and then completely sat here letting you speak and not mute oops my bad, I said who me.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:06] Who me yeah you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:06] No okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[37:09] So this is this is the concept here you know we live our lives unveiled because we not only want to spread the gospel but we want to use this friendship evangelism, um because evangelism in and of itself is not bad, in your face I don't really care about you I just care about numbers but oh yeah I do care about you. I just want to draw that back down to remind everyone of the thing that really hit home for me when we talk about evangelism, is if you aren't willing to give the person you're evangelizing your personal telephone number and take a call from them at 2 a.m. when they're having a crisis of faith, then you're not actually evangelizing you're not. You're doing what's called a cast seed you're throwing seeds and hoping for result but that's not evangelism.

 

Pastor Newms:

Pastor Newms:

[38:22] Well I'll disagree with that because there's there's two aspects of evangelism theirs, evangelism to bring people in and there's what we're actually supposed to be doing which isn't even evangelism but making disciples and I think they're in the modern Church those two things are extremely.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:45] I would say the word evangelism has dropped making disciples but originally to evangelize you would be making disciples.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:02] I mean maybe.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:04] But I'm also the guy that says.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:06] 45 minutes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:07] I'm also the guy that says words are allowed to change meanings because that's how words work.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:17] So technically the word evangelize by definition is to convert someone to your religion so it's not actually a, at least the modern definition is it might not have been originally but that is the modern definition of the word evangelize. That being said I mean we made it 45 minutes in 46 minutes in at this point I can say it English is a terrible, and so you know it is. That aspect.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:03] And the word evangelize isn't even in the Bible.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:07] And that's something that you know me and you have had lots of conversations about and I was actually having a conversation about it yesterday with someone not knowing what today's topic was going to be about.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:17] Because I didn't tell you till this morning.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:20] I know about how there are, one of in my mind a major failing of the modern church is taking the Great Commission, and changing it to mean evangelization you know the Great Commission is go out and make disciples. You know and what a lot of people have done is to say okay well I've made a lot of converts and as big said there are some people who are better at just, throwing seed and aren't good at the interpersonal relationships. And that's you know all forms are needed as long as it's done in Love Don't spread hate on the street which I know Biggs doesn't I know he wouldn't mean that I'm just pressing. But I think that's a major thing in our churches that we have forgotten to do is that we have continued to just seek to convert people, and not build the relationship with God and I think that's cause a lot of failings and you know there's this whole deconstruction, that means deconstruction means two different things so it depends on what you feel about the movement on what that word means to you but that we're not gonna get into that on this week we've talked about that in the past.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:46] But we're not we're not anti deconstruction.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:50] One version yes we're not gonna get it again I was going to say we're not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:53] Hello Paul said if you were ever with us.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:00] I understand but there is a point of deconstruction where when you take it to lump the entire church there are aspects I don't want to get into like you do like I do to you all the time there's a reason why I said what I said because this is a longer conversation because there the deconstruction movement as a whole me, exiting the Christian faith.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:21] Just thought I'd give you a little a little payback for last week.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:26] But leaving the Christian faith because the Christian faith is wrong is not what we condone of course because that's not what, but deconstructing the things you've learned as a Berean and figuring out what is actually valid because a lot that's taught isn't is what we do can do which is a form of deconstruction.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:47] What my last my last word on deconstruction is if you leave the Christian faith because you don't believe in it I'd rather you find that out now, then after you die and you're at the judgment and then you find out you never actually believed in it and you lived your whole life a lie, with no chance of having salvation because you believed a lie so there you go that's my last statement on that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:13] And you'll have to go from here because I don't remember anywhere that I was going.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:18] I wait wait wait wait wait wait lead you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:25] It's okay I just have no idea.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:27] What were we even talking about.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:29] Evangelism and the conversations I had with someone this week and I don't remember what part I was talking about.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:35] Well they thought Concepts being real being unveiled in.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:40] Yeah but it was something though.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:42] So you know when I see when I hear of and see churches that are have that concept of, you just you just bring them in here you bring them into the church and will lead them to the Lord you just bring them in instead of the church equipping people to make disciples. They you know cut the actual work of the Christian themself out of the equation, and just bring them in to let the church do the work bring them into the church to the work that you're supposed to be doing. The church isn't staffed to disciple hundreds of people at a time that's what the Christians are supposed to be doing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:24] We're all individually supposed to be doing that so unveiled I think one of the huge issues in the Christian faith, the modern Sea church that's caused a lot of deconstruction is people not being real, you've got these pastors that have struggles and don't talk about them and I'm not saying you to talk about all your struggles from the pulpit it's not always appropriate some are some aren't you know, we are little different because we are a little different but people don't talk to even the people around them their support, about their struggles and then all of a sudden you hear such and such pasture was embezzling or such and such pastor had an affair such-and-such Pastor walked away or such-and-such Pastor was never actually a Christian in his walked away from the faith because he read one thing that blew him away or.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:17] Or committed suicide and only his wife knew he was struggling what.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:24] Which and you have you have a support group around you as a pastor you should you should have pastors that are ministering to you both me and Bill, neither one of us are like oh well we are pastors at a church so, we know everything and we don't do anything else no I fully attend most of the time another church Bill listens to lots of other speakers that Minister into him. Because we both know you can't.

Just be the end most good pastors you'll hear them say this is the person I consider to be my pastor and you're like wait what. And it's usually like a campus pastor at one of the facilities that they are at or they're the pastor that was above them originally and so they still listen to everything that he puts out and talks to him on a weekly basis you know things like that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:21] It's a good sign another good sign to hear from your pastor is oh I stole this concept from so-and-so or I stole this concept from so and so and they should listen all these other pastors that I got this concept that were preaching today from this, that's a really good sign that you know they're working on themselves or submitted to other teachings that's the only reason why I mention, that I read nine commentaries is so that people understand when I say hey this scripture means this it means that because I've read nine commentaries from people, ranging over the last 200 years and the consensus of the last 200 years of theologians I'm not making it up I'm Gonna Know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:12] Which they can still all be wrong does.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:13] They could absolutely one hundred percent.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:16] But but it is one of those things where you, we're always at least here we are always very open about we're not right. We think we're correct but we have both been proven wrong more than once we've both been proven wrong more than once while talking here by the other person and then have to go back and go hmm. Oops.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:51] Gone in to prepare to speak you know to recording these podcasts and been proven Wrong by the scriptures on what I thought something was and I'm going how have I missed this all this time what.

 

Pastor Newms:

[48:06] Yeah and it's very very easy, to happen because we as humans we put our faith in other people and other things, and when a teacher that you trust tells you something often times you absorb it and make it part of you without ever, truly looking at it which is while Paul brings up the Brand's at all of hey I really like these guys because they don't trust me at all and when you stop and think about it you're like wait what Paul, shouldn't date because we're taught some Churches they teach if your pastor says that it's true.

 

Pastor Bill:

[48:50] And if you question it then you should be somewhere else you should need to go somewhere.

 

Pastor Newms:

[48:55] Elder says it yeah but I think we always have to be questioning because it always has to go back to the scriptures I've been in conversations where it's like well where is that oh it's here, and you go back and read it you're like oh that's odd why have I never seen that you know and, you know I definitely think it's something that that being unveiled is so important because it is. Showing that we all have struggles and we all need help every day and the second, like I mentioned before which I didn't really even think about the second half of being unveiled because I only go to the negative normally not the positive I didn't think about any of the fact of what my stories were in the beginning of this talked about the second half which is, the holy spirit will bring people to you, don't hide from what you are which don't start with me I don't need to hear it sir I can see your judgey face from here. Those listen to the podcasts that can't see how judgy his face is but just imagine it's very judgy because now he's going yeah says can say to I was gonna bring it up yeah, so we all struggle with things and so you know, I think it's one of those things that we have to look at and I also find it interesting one thing I did want to bring up. We get towards the end which I you know is always dangerous. Chapter 4 in second Corinthians starts with therefore.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:41] Oh my.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:43] Which we always talk about that's so important chapter 4, of second Corinthians starts with therefore and so you're like oh cry like you made this point it's a really good point and he's got a second follow-up, that the biblical writers were that mean the people who dissected the Bible for what we currently have we're like oh here's a good split which with Paul's writings it's almost impossible because he is a master of run-on sentences and run on thoughts, and so like there's no good breaks in like very very very very few times is like chapters are versus good brakes with Paul but, he says you know therefore since we have this ministry because we were shown Mercy we do not give up instead we renounce, secret and shameful things not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God. Commending ourselves before God to everyone's conscious by open display of truth if our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing, and then it goes on about a bunch more about unbelievers and and other aspects but it's that one part that I found interesting is instead you know we've renounced the secret and shameful things not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God, not saying you know we do this and that means it's okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:13] Per se.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:14] For everyone.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:15] Even someone like me. Can receive the Gospel and salvation that's what Paul is saying there even someone like me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:29] Cuz I cuz I messed up a bunch and let's be honest there are very few people that this podcast will reach, I'm not saying none but few that, we're as bad as saw was like it could if it gets into a prison ministry somewhere or some ex convert convert, the word that bill will say in a second because I can't find it, you know if you've done some like truly too because Paul did he did some truly Terrible Things assault and then was like, oops and so that's his point there's even if you know therefore this is why I'm saying this you know we have to live,

unveiled to show people you know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:19] It is part of the Gospel message, to not be flaky and to not pretend you're okay and to not pretend everything's hunky-dory and let people know that even a messed-up slob like me who's done the things that I've done is worthy of salvation,can be changed by God and that changes on.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:49] And that's always something that is interesting to look at of those types of aspects of you know there's, it's just he was very good writer and it's very interesting sometimes all the concepts he puts into one chapter, because that chapter is definitely a lot I read it several times today going okay Paul. Sentence and you've got several Concepts going in the same chapter, I actually went back to the KJV for a minute just because I was like okay I've learned this at one point, what's something that's not sticking because I'm reading it differently this time we go back to the these in the vowels because I'm missing something and oh okay I see now, that's what I was missing because I did so much of my study in the past in that it's sometimes hard to equate the newer translations.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:51] On that as we you know wind down now funny fact from history. In the creams English which is what the KJV is written in it's called the queen's English it's not old English is not quite Middle English and the queen's English the terms of thee and thou, these are the casual ways of saying things. These are not the Pomp and official sounding these are the way that Beggars speak. The king you would never find royalty or someone that was highly respected in society, saying the and thou when they were talking so when someone you know is reading the scripture like vocalist say these heated and then they pray that way and stuff like that. Doing their best impersonation of a popper covered in mud who just left the pig farm and is doing their best to speak in the public market and I just think that's so funny because it's got this. These overtones of well I'm better than you because I say thee and thou and my Bible says thee and thou and it and then in the context of the queen's English it's actually just the opposite. It's a little funny detail from history there for you alright now we need to give a 30-second buffer or some of our.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:24] No now we need to say our byes first.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:27] I thought we did the Bubba's yeah you're right we did the Baba's before we do the 30 seconds.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:31] We decided to switch it last week which completely wrecked to you and so I did.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:37] I don't know what to do with myself, all right so we record this every Sunday night when we do record it as 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and I'd like to invite anyone listen to this to come join us live you can participate on Twitch you're going to Facebook YouTube, any of those places you can comment live in the chat and we will see it and you can be a part of the conversation we love having people be a part of the conversation, um and it really does deepen the way things go nothing that happened tonight, as far as you know,

building upon and people asking questions something like this but that's okay it doesn't have to happen you're not required to participate in the chat you are invited too, and we try to keep it on topic as much as possible but you know what I don't even know is not always going to happen back when we were meeting.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:35] You think you think you think this is bad as far as being on topic this is this is on top.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:44] This isn't done.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:45] We this is we if you ever join us in our streaming, that that is that is that is us not on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:54] Does all over the.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:55] And it is it is scary to places we can end up but anyway.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:01] Now we're bad just you know not necessarily bad.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:06] No not necessarily bad but what I mean is is I always joke I was listening to my Spotify, at the at the pool hall I loaded up my my eyes I put 20 bucks.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:19] Yours or mine.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:21] Started queuing mine I started queuing up songs for my Spotify into the Jukebox and, the lady actually came up to us and was like are you guys playing all of this music and we're like not all but a lot of it. I can't tell what you guys and what isn't it was like yeah you won't be able to because it was me Zaydiee and Phoenix I don't know if groggy was queuing anything up I don't remember. And all of us are very eclectic and so the music was just all over the place Zaydiee put some Striper in there at one point even so I mean it went all over the place,

and so yeah good luck I feel sorry for the person who has to figure out what my browsing, I have an NSA agent I am sorry homie like I am bad but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:15] All right, this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you get your podcasts we actually just joined another podcast host that I didn't know existed and they reached out to us of a Vurbl, so if you're on Vurbl and you haven't been here in The Berean Manifesto we are officially on Vurbl now, like I said we try to keep up with every podcast host and as they pop up we try to make sure we're on there as well, what are you grinning at over there Pastor Newms.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:48] You can hear us vurbly or non-verbally.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:49] Your has verbally and verbal all right so that was everything right you give me you give me so sidetracked, come join us live on Sunday nights please do the podcast comes out on Wednesdays, if you like our content if we've helped you or made you laugh or just made you smile or and you think someone else could deal do with having a smile or could be helped by us. Please share like our content share our content we're not, trying to get o get big and famous or make a whole bunch of money we talked about friendship evangelism because we literally want to be able to interact on a personal level with people, and so it's not about getting big but it is about reaching those who need,

the message they need to be included they need to have family spiritual family and so that's really what we want to do so if there's somebody that you know needs this, please share with them and point them our way and that's really all we have for tonight so would love you guys,

have a great week now your catchphrase Pastor Newms.

 

Pastor Newms:

Be safe out there. (I love messing with him)

 

Pastor Bill:

And until next time...

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