S3EP49 - Exegesis

Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 49, of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I am here with Pastor Newms all the way from the state of Tennessee. I'm in Texas, Tennessee per the usual as those are the places we live and we are pastors of The Ekklesian House. The Ekklesian House is a well now a completely online church. We used to meet face-to-face in spare rooms at restaurants and now we meet completely online. So here we are. Groggy he's talking on Twitch about something about a dungeon that he did probably in New World.

 

Pastor Newms:

[0:49] Yeah he probably, he probably just did the New World dungeon and he probably didn't pick up all the bones so the dog sent him back.

 

Pastor Bill:

[0:56] Oh Barkamedies bones - yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[0:59] Cause Barkamedies is messed up. I did not say My Little Groggy. From now on from now on I'm going to call him My Little Groggy, so congratulations Groggy. You can blame you can blame Zaydiee for that because you are from now on My Little Groggy so Pastor Bill you know I will, and because he knows I'll do it too he's just got to pray that I forget because that's the only way it's going away so you know I love you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:32] I thought you said we'd do this after we did Get To Know The Pastors.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:34] You said before or.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:36] Okay I gave your choice but I thought you had said that you had chosen after. okay, okay so tonight we are talking about exegesis and if you just felt inferior at the Greek word exegesis. Congratulations this is the one and only time you're probably ever going to hear me say this, "you're wrong." If that word made you feel inadequate then you're wrong, and that's what we're talking about exegesis tonight. Not eisegesis, exegesis well well we'll probably talk about eisegesis as well. We'll definitely talk about exegesis, the main focus is exegesis not exigenesis, no that's not how you say it - unless you're like trying to just combine Exodus and Genesis all into one statement and then you can say exigenesis I guess. But it won't mean the same thing as what we're talking about tonight so yeah so stick around, um we're going to get a lot out of tonight and everyone should feel less inadequate and more empowered, when we when we end here can you spell that or is it a sit sit in sending name sits and, I have no idea what Biggs is trying to say on Twitch. He said can you spell that or is it a.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:11] Mrs. Biggs, or Mama - whichever you want to go by can you please help your husband and what he's trying to say to us because we're confused.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:18] Are you want me to spell exegesis because it's e-x-e-g-e-s-i-s. Exegesis is a noun and you could say.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:34] That was mean of me to call him out like that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:35] Yeah it was. You're awful.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:38] Then we wonder why he's mean to me and wonder where I get.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:42] Here we go here's the sentence that I found online, "Politicians accustomed to speaking in 22 second sound bites suddenly began regaling empty galleries with windy tendentious exegeses of the founding fathers thoughts on the role of the senate in confirming judges," also you could say As an exegesis, though, it's nicely done, and Kennedy traces Sontag's main themes deftly along tortuous paths through both essays and fiction. Both of those sentences can be found at Miriam-Webster.com/dictionary/exegesis hey I'm not the one that asked for it in a sentence.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:26] No I know but I'm just saying like I understand what the word means and even I feel stupid or having heard those sentences.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:34] Right, having hearing it in a sentence does not help. Which is part of the problem with the word and and one of the reasons why it's important for us to talk about it. Phoenix on Twitch says, "yeah I'm gonna need that dumbed down," we're not going to dumb it down for you what we're going to do is we're going to exegesis - exegesis so that you understand it. And then at the end of the night you'll understand how you can use the word exegesis in reference to the word exegesis and you'll walk away feeling like you're accomplished. Okay, so now it's time for Get To Know The Pastors, and then Pastor Newms wants to humiliate me... or make me lonely or jealous or something. I can't remember what he said, make me mad. What did you say you wanted to make me?

 

Pastor Newms:

Jealous.

 

Pastor Bill:

Jealous, he wants to make me jealous okay so here we go here's the card. It says, "Brag to me about the best things going on in the past 30 days." So I guess you can go ahead and make me jealous right now because the card is all in for it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:49] I guess so, wow.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:51] The card was like yeah let's do it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:53] The couch the card straight fronted you out like so I'm just going to drink my sneak here.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:00] Nice.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:05] And then Biggs asked you a question I'm not sure if you heard it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:09] Oh, did he? Where?

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:18] The question does he not do you not hear that you don't hear anything.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:25] Does he not hear that? Am I supposed to be hearing something? Hear what? Here the Tardis noise now I Doctor Who music from the tenure of David Tennant oh nice you got a TARDIS, cool.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:03] The Tardis noise.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:04] Can you hold the doors up to the camera so I can see which one it's modeled after, yeah it is it's David Tennant's Tardis it's a Tenth Doctors TARDIS.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:14] So it's actually an ornament to put on a Christmas tree, Biggs collects ornaments didn't know was and get that flashy sorry for anyone out there I was not aware that it flashed I had not actually paid that close of attention and so Biggs, brought it he collects ornaments and things like ornaments for trees and, he he showed me and I said lights up and it makes the noise like it's coming in and I'm like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:51] The vworp the vworp noise.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:53] The noise because the parking brake is on the warning because the brake is activated yeah so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:03] It says he's not giving you that oh look at that box that's nice.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:10] So that so I he collects Hallmark, ornaments he's got Biggs has two Christmas trees actually at his house he's got a Christmas tree for most of his ornaments and he's got his Christmas tree best specificity, specificity specificity specifically that's the word we're looking for for Star Wars ornaments, and so he saw this one and was like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:42] Yeah this is interesting because the Tardis is self that Tardis is modeled after the Tenth Doctors Tardis right but if you look at the Box the Doctor Who logo on the box.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:55] Is the old logo.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:55] That's from Doctor 12 that's from the 12th doctors, tenure so that ornament came out during the 12th doctor but they didn't use it to have doctors Tardis they use the Tenth Doctors TARDIS.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:08] Isn't that isn't the Tenth Doctors Tardis this symbol not blue I thought it was white.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:16] Well it it changes varies but you know it you know whether or not it's 11:00 or on because on the other door there's a white symbol that says Saint John's hospital, and there's no Saint John's hospital there so it's is pre 11.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:36] To be clear Zaydiee I only commandeered your Halloween bear because your daughter was upset and brought her in here, and then left her so I left her up for Halloween that is the only reason Halloween berries in here I did not steal Halloween bear, the Tardis is going I think right in front of my dragon its mouth that dragons math I think that's where that's going to live.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:06] So for those of you watching live, you can't really see my knick knacks.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:12] You can see some of them I can see your Tardis that was a night light or something.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:17] No it's just a it's a 50th Anniversary but you see see the St. Johns

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:24] Oh I see it should it should be that symbol that symbol is not on mine I see I see.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:29] Yeah because because this is 50th Anniversary this is modeled after 11.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:34] Oh okay that makes sense didn't get the rights for that one they had to use the other one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:43] Better use the yeah the older one which is there's nothing wrong with that I mean.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:48] And. Okay it is that it's not as flashy as my thing was.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:00] No it sounds fun.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:01] For RC for our seizure friends.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:03] So I'm a I'm a pretty big fan of Doctor Who and then I got a doctor who bobblehead up here Doctor Who bobble TARDIS.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:05] You are you are and that's why when Biggs showed me he goes you should show Bill and I said not till Sunday night.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:12] Not till Sunday night and I can get him get him all kinds of jealous those on camera.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:19] Yeah my thing was very flashy and I am sorry for anyone that might have harmed their for a moment I did not I had only pressed it when it was sitting somewhere, not like, holding it so I did not realize it was flashy or else I would not have handled that and then,

Biggs also mentioned this year form the Hallmark his doctor is actually an ornament also which is why.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:49] Which one does he consider his darker.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:51] Which is why the symbol is the old symbol is because it goes with his doctor his doctor, his name just jumped out of my head but he's very important don't remember but the scarf the nose the scarf and the nose, for for is Biggs's first.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:17] Colin Baker not Colin Baker I'm so sorry Biggs I did not mean to say four was Colin Baker.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:22] Wrong even even I know that was wrong.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:26] That's not tell was a slip of the tongue I'm so sorry yes the curator well sort of the curator. I'm really hoping that with the return of RTD will get it at least an episode of David Tennant, um we do know that the doctor in the future is going to go back and and regenerate into, a few old faces you know now would be a perfect time to be like we told you that we were going to do it when they have the 50th anniversary and here it is and there's not going to be as much running because David Tennant is really old now but.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:13] I am I was watching some clip and forgot how much I loved Eccleston to be honest.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:19] Eccleston was fantastic he really was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:21] I was watching something I don't remember what but, the something he did in the clip that I saw I was like why did people not like him like he was so good, but okay so what is your item that is the most thing I don't even know what the question was because I was just trying.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:44] Yeah let's let's let's reread the question so we make sure that I say unto on brand brag to me about the best things going on in the past 30 days.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:53] No I can answer this for you I can answer this for you on your behalf.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:57] Yeah what do you think it is.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:59] I'm going to think it's everything to do with all of your Halloween decorations and how much you love decorating for Halloween and Halloween themed things.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:05] You know the only thing that popped into my mind wasn't that it was getting to go on that date with Roxanne last Saturday night that's the thing that popped into my brain.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:14] Mmm see that was yeah I thought about that and I was like but that's Halloween-themed.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:21] It was Halloween themed but I really just I really the thing that stands out to me is it was the being able to go and spend the time with that brains and and it was great yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:32] She said it she's like it better be.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:36] Yeah the date night was amazing it was really good.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:39] Where is I don't like leaving the house so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:40] Got me it's got me scrolling for events on Facebook and Groupon looking for what are we going to do what's our next date night going to be because it was really good I really enjoyed it so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:51] See now that you say that I'm going to get suckered into having to have a date night and I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:55] I know I'm you know sorry about you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:00] I try really hard not to have those.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:04] Everybody knows what that means right sorry about you that means I'm not really sorry you had that coming.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:11] Yeah,

and I do I don't leave the house enough I actually had a daddy-daughter day because the other the two adults were out of the house today doing something and so I was like, girls let's go let's go out to eat because I don't want to cook and let's go you know hang out so we went to a couple stores and hung out, so it was fun.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:40] Hey your wife is right there with you though she says it's two people he out there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:46] Technically the whole thing is recorded and no no one's going to give that to anybody.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:51] And some recordings amen.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:53] I know so like we went out we went out for it wasn't a trick or treat it was a fall festival I was wrong on that billion when I was telling you about it but, there were games and dunker booths and it was all it was put on by the it's the church that Zoey that rain goes to school at.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:13] Um I was wondering if it was if it was bigs and glorious church or not but I guess it was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:20] They actually don't their Pastor said they don't feel comfortable doing there's this year because of everything going on they would prefer to be.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:27] Okay with covid is that weird.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:32] Yeah they prefer to be safe and not have thousands of people flock to their campus and walk around.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:39] It's not what happens when they have Services though, people flocked to the campus and walk around.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:46] I can't answer this.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:51] I'm not I'm not trying to point poke holes I'm just I'm asking if that was part of the explanation they gave like that's different because we're you know we're off we're allowing people to worship God versus.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:04] I don't remember, my parents told me but let's be honest I am not the best at paying attention all the time so I don't, that was what I gleamed this new soap is so good so one of the places we found, well we would achieve outlay and then there's this soap place that's new,

next to oh that's why so for church they have you know a couple thousand people for their Trunk-or-Treat it's so big they typically have 20 thousand people show up so that would be the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:39] And see when you're being responsible as an event organizer that's something you have to think about does the mat the shear massive amounts of people yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:55] And that was that was definitely and I did not like you Bat-Brains I did not like the pictures I saw from you taking Gerg to Fright Fest.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:07] First.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:08] Because he's too big,

and that upset me greatly.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:14] So when jurgis asked me about going to Fright Fest this year I said are you sure you want to do that because last time when we did Fright Fest you cried and he was like that was like five years ago I'm not gonna cry.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:28] Be careful what you finish that statement of don't embarrass your 15 year old is that if that's going to go any farther than that,

oh I assumed the store was going to go and he got scared and cried I was like don't tell people that oh.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:43] No he did great I wasn't there but he did great yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:47] I kind of wanted information on the side if it did happen to you don't want to say it in front of people but.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:55] I'll be right back you keep going I'll be.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:59] I keep going okay the whole point is you're the important one and I'm the, this is why I don't even want to be on the thing, when he makes me do things like this I got to talk about myself now this is the whole thing I'm not good at y'all, I'm sure he loved it bat-brains I'm mainly joking I just like any way I can possibly to embarrass Kirk because I changed by did not change his diapers that's a lie I watched other people changes diapers, but I, and now he's too big and I don't like that and so it hurts my ageism or something to be this old, I think that's what it is as I'm there pausing therapizing myself as I sit here and, but yeah nothing I sat in silence the whole time you were gone.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:00] No you didn't bet brains has it on her phone in the other room I heard you talking the whole time I just don't know what you were saying.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:07] Oh

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:13] So what were you talking about.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:14] I'll just talk about the fact of I I want the information if he did do something bad just because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:20] You just don't want in a live stream.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:22] I need things to make fun of him for because of the fact of now you're making me repeat the whole time you were gone the exact thing but because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:31] No you don't have to that song.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:31] I'm old ah you punk will drink it together, wait for your video to unfreeze one second when your video gets done unfreezing will take a sip together so I did not realize that my cherry sneaks were pink because I drink them out of a container, and then she put this in here and she comes in and she goes I'm sorry it's pink not red and I was like oh it is, interesting you're still.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:58] So not only.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:00] You're completely Frozen homie.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:01] Okay well it's just my video I mean.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:03] I know there you go now you're.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:05] So not only did so Adeline picked out this cup for herself right this is Adam.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:10] Now I'd like to see it okay you got the you got the darker one yeah no it's the same one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:16] It's got dr. pepper in it yeah so this is Adelines cups you picked this out sweet little, Adeline and then so this design this exact design except without the hole in the top I also got a drink, thing you know like the big jugs that have the little.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:40] With the thing out of the mouth with the thing out of the mouth.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:42] Will spout out of mouth yeah and it's um it's 8 quarts and glass and heavy and it's, black cherry Kool-Aid in it right now because we love but I will black cherry Kool-Aid and so it's like it looks the color of blood, inside this giant skull sitting on the counter and then bat brains got this little silicone, ice tray that's little brains and so I got popped all these brain ice in the top of it when I was making Kool-Aid and so it was just like this blood-filled skull with these little ice, brains floating around on the top of it and I was like man this is like the coolest October ever.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:25] So I've got the same one but mine is completely black it's got the flat black paint on the outside.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:32] Yeah I know mine looks exactly like this cup only bigger and no hole and then it's got the spout out of the mouth.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:38] Women has no hole in the top how do you fill it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:41] This has a straw hole in the top you unscrew the.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:44] Straw hole okay okay I was sure if you got how if it has no hole how you put anything in it for a.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:49] No I'm talking about the metal lid doesn't have a hole in it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:52] Okay yes that's exactly like mine except mines painted the same color as the metal lid so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:57] - okay and now would you believe it that we actually didn't go over our warm up time with all of that we're still actually one minute I have one minute of warmup time still to go.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:10] Yeah I almost feel we should shorten our warm up time though to be honest I've started to think about that we keep come we keep bumping into the back side.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:19] It's true we have started bumping in the back side the more comfortable that you get with opening your mouth and sharing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:25] I do not know what you mean.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:27] We end up spending more time with the meat of the program and yeah we can we can we can cut the warm time down some.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:37] I was just thinking about it cuz I'm having trouble shutting up at the end.

 

Pastor Bill:

[23:42] So exegesis I would like you Pastor newms to give us tell us your understanding of the term exegesis.

 

Pastor Newms:

[23:55] My understanding of the term Exorcist exegesis so, exegesis to me is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:10] The end move ahead.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:16] Just oh Zaydiee mmkay I'll handle that later so. It's about the breakdown of, scripture so we have wow wow I really hope I can get a snap of this I really hope I can get a snap of this real quick here oh I can oh I know come on come on come on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:42] Is my screen Frozen in a funny way.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:45] Oh it's so good it's so good I want it so bad no not freeform no no no I lost it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:53] He lost it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:53] I lost it it's fine I'll find it on Twitch.

 

Pastor Bill:

[24:58] Exegesis.

 

Pastor Newms:

[24:59] It was so good exegesis.

 

Pastor Bill:

[25:03] Not exegesis.

 

Pastor Newms:

[25:04] Let it again, so to me it's about that critical explanation of the Bible the breaking down of. The biblical text to what it actually means so so often you know we take the text at, face value sometimes that is perfect, and great sometimes you need a little bit of extra break down and study of around the text and into the Greek and the Hebrew or, as for studying currently as a family bible study we're studying Daniel not the Greek or the Hebrew but the not are Aramaic,

 

Pastor Bill:

Chaldean.

 

Pastor Newms:

Thank you the Chaldean language that it's written in and sometimes you got to break down that and look at that, and you know one of the times that this came up for me and we were talking about this earlier, is in looking at Daniel and Revelation there's the Beast and the Beast has ten horns and you're like cool a beast with ten horns like Dad be really scary to see and then you compare the, the true like not like the depths of what that Beast with ten horns in Revelation it's a beast with ten horns it sounds just as cool as you would think this Beast has ten horns cool you look at Daniel in the word used is actually a brass instrument, it's then you stop and you go how.

 

Pastor Bill:

[26:48] So it's not like it's not horns you know like it's not like goat horns it's like instruments.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:50] It's not horns its horns it's the court coordinate coordinate I don't know music but looked like a trumpet to me but I knew if I said that that would be really bad.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:03] I mean you're not close you're not too far off trumpet is a generally used term.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:10] But no but this that word horn specifically means this particular specific brass instrument and, so it was interesting because then I started thinking about it and and that's really interesting to look at these two these two authors and they both were given visions and,

took it differently and decided to use different words now that being said it's still a beast it's got 10 horns, what the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:40] If you think about their cultures the culture that Daniel came from while still being identified as Jewish or Israeli and in origin their idea of horn, wasn't the shofar, a Ram's Horn cut off that you then blow into that wasn't their idea of horn their idea was brass instrument but by the time John comes around the idea of horn is a Ram's Horn cut off that you then blow into.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:10] So

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:11] And so for John that is the right word because it's a musical instrument.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:16] And that's the weird thing is because then when you read an animal horn you're like okay an animal horn strong, it's an animal horn meaning an animal horn, but it very well could be like you're saying an animal horn the same as in the so because that actually made me stumble like this past weekend because I'm like okay this makes me a little bit because, like a horn and a horn is a horn like they're both horns, you would expect a serpent or a monster or whatever you know a beast to have with this isn't the serpent that's a different entity that's not get into that right now though but that's the whole point of this you know, even looking at the Strong's and it says a animal horn even until you said that just you said that just now, I was thinking okay horn and Horn as opposed to Horn and Horn which are is a very interesting, thought process that I missed which is the purpose of exegesis J the word you say in a minute.

 

Pastor Bill:

[29:23] Jesus.

 

Pastor Newms:

[29:24] Because it's that studying for the for biblical purposes it's that studying of the Situation's around a situation not just what's written for the situation, and I think it's very important as a culture and often times, there are speakers or teachers or even us in our everyday study IE me earlier this week are just, we miss certain aspects that would enrich the understanding so much and as groggy said making sure we're keeping the words in the context of the the time and the place and the Situation's around it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:06] All right so what, is you you read in Daniel or you studied you know your guys are staying in Daniel and you got the exegesis of the word horn brass instrument right, and then you went forward to Revelations and read the word horn, and you got the eisegesis of the word, you applied your understanding of the word to that scripture and said well this is what he means because this is what I understand a horn to be.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:45] Well kind of.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:46] But then when you took a step back and took it, what I just said to you it became an exegesis where you went oh there could be more meaning there, then what I understood it to be because I applied eisegesis I had an understanding already of what that meant based off of my, that's eisegesis when you read scripture and you go oh I already know what that's talking about, I already know what that is that's eisegesis what are you grinning about over there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:26] Tina said it to me she captured a picture of what it looks like on our TV and it is almost as glorious as it would have looked like here.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:36] Okay as soon would you talking about because I didn't see it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:39] I know I know I know I'm sorry completely derailing, but no and that's the thing like I looked at Strong's and it said you know I'm trying to find the exact at the moment because I, don't over here huh.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:59] So it's not that you didn't try to exegesis you did you try.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:04] Yeah because it says the primary word the hair of the head or a horn literal or figurative and like okay that means animal horn so I took Strong's meaning, and and went that route but on the same token.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:33] So it's big said so now the Beast has musical instruments on his head like what, and not necessarily on his head because you're still talking about prophecy so in this specific instance when you say on his head you could just be talking about will this is the Public Image,

this is the image that there that the world sees that the world understands of them this is what everyone's common understanding of,

the Beast is that's what someone's head is it's it's what they lead with it's there you know we need to talk about put your best foot forward the head in, in veiled talk when you're talking about prophecy when you're looking at prophecies in the scripture those are usually attributed to. What people know them for what they are seen for so when we say ten horns, and we think musical instruments will this is what they're known for their known for, you know musical instruments or they're known for the other understanding of the word horn like you going with before like an animal horn that would be more of the known for aggression known for war known for fighting, and then they're given ten crowns which then you know, we attribute to you know leadership or kingdoms or they're you know they're given rulership so. Bat Brains says if something is on you it's your responsibility like so, asking if worth it says there's 10 horns on its head does that mean you know it's the horns are its responsibilities and that's that's likely as well and honestly we don't know. So this is just a picture of me sipping my doctor Pepper what's so funny.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:37] I don't know I mean it's a completely normal face and all very short forms and ideas.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:48] I don't know that's great, I'm gonna make it my new profile picture.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:52] I'm going to I'm going to fix it to where it's just zoomed in on you sucking on the straw like that in a minute when I can get to Twitch and actually clip it which I might be contacting groggy afterwards because I have no idea how to actually do that but I know it's a thing, so Groggy look for a phone call possibly because I don't know how to.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:09] Mmm all right so exegesis all right so when we go to a scripture we go to scriptures mr. Hardy says wait what groggy what do you wait what in about bro.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:21] The fact that I don't know how to make Clips probably hmm I said I.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:26] He says he missed something apparently I made a funny face and Newms wants to immortalize it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:33] Yes I do because he's just talking away but all you see is, the whole time and it's great but I don't how to make clips from a video so I'll be contacting you about that later but that's why I think that the exit, the Deep study I'm not I can't say the word so we're calling a deep study whenever I say but I'm using the word that's denial of the thing, so

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:01] He hates that. He asked his you have Nvidia he hates Nvidia the Nvidia.

 

Pastor Newms:

[36:07] I hate the Nvidia recording I love I love Nvidia I just hate the recording side of it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[36:17] Okay so the word exegesis let's try to stay on topic here is a Greek word, and it is just sort of a Greek word we're not speaking in English transliteration exegesis is a Greek word that means to lead. And it's the idea of putting a like a leash or a lead on like a horse's neck or a donkey's neck and and leading it out, of a barn or out of the pasture or out of a fence in place this is the idea that you get so basically what you're doing is you're taking the statement and you're drawing out, what was intended so one of the examples that I read online when I was you know studying and preparing and making sure that I wasn't just going to be you know a talking head that wasn't saying anything of substance, one of the examples was a woman who gets a letter from her fiance that is off at War, and she's reading this love letter and she's doing everything she can to go over the words, patience and and attentiveness to draw out what her fiance meant by every state, and this is exegesis when we read the scriptures approaching the scripture from an exigent exegesis. See this is the problem is when you try to conjugate Greek words I had the conjugations pulled up here somewhere, exegetical when you yeah when you read the scriptures in an etch exegetical form, you are taking the scripture and trying to understand what the author wanted to communicate,

so not necessarily the face value of the words that they used but considering, the culture they come from what the message overall message of the, complete text is what has influenced up to that point that would cause them to say it that way what historical things went on what changes to language happened leading up to that, what changes in language happened after that that might change the way that you understand the words that are being used these are all exegetical in nature.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:07] Things that lots of pastors and I would love to say all but I have to say lots or most have done for years you know.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:19] But then you have other pastors that are are highly, rooted in eisegesis they read scripture and they're only looking for their confirmation bias or they chop a scripture in half because, the 1/2 they know means something different than what they're trying to teach but the other half doesn't, now sometimes I'll use a portion of scripture for like our little scripture bumps but only because of space you know like, I only have so much space on an artboard you know that I'm working with to make art and so I'll say like, 2 Timothy 3:15 a because I only use the first little section of it and the art but not because I'm trying to, discount the rest of the scripture when I'm using an art it's because I'm trying to highlight that, of the scripture and I intend the viewer of that art to then go look up that scripture, and do the exegetical work themselves how many times I said exegetical at this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:25] A couple.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:30] You could also say exegete I think that's the verb of exegesis exegete.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:36] I would like to exegete some people who just use ice to Genesis.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:39] ISO Genesis.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:42] I said isogenic whatever I can't do it man.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:44] I said Jesus.

 

Pastor Newms:

[40:46] I'm going to exegete some people who.

 

Pastor Bill:

[40:51] All right so I just want to right quick one of the ways that you can tell someone is reading something, according to eisegesis instead of exegetical exit exegesis, so you'll hear this phrase or you'll hear this concept and they'll say but no one believed no one taught that until-- You hear that phrase a lot no one taught that idea of scripture until blah. You're applying an eisegesis you're saying I believe that scripture means something else and I am a I am defending my eisegesis, instead of allowing the scripture itself to stand exegetical, so bad Burns says y'all have gone too far Biggs is saying it's time for the 30 second buffer why are they saying why are they doing that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:01] Because I'm it's me it's my fault it's I'm bending the word too much and threatening to eat people.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:12] Who you going to eat oh yeah the exegesis is the eisegesis sisters I said geezers.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:16] Now I will say there are situations where I think a combination of both can, where people have used confirmation bias for so many years, that you might hear the phrase this was taught this way for and now we look at it like this.

 

Pastor Bill:

[42:41] What is the and now part that makes it exegetical you know to me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[42:51] Yeah I think that's just a I think again we made it 49 minutes again I think that's one of the failings of the English language is just that whole where do you draw that line.

 

Pastor Bill:

[43:06] But there's certain concepts of certain theological beliefs that I hold to be true, because I've gone in and I've done the study that meets the the framework of exegesis and I've gone okay well it means this because, that's from the whole framework that's what I believe the author was trying to communicate and then I've had people trying to refute, belief of Mind by saying things like oh well that was that was Emperor Constantine that came up with that that that wasn't meant by the author and I'm like, except when I look at the whole framework I'm pretty sure Constantine was onto something.

 

Pastor Newms:

[43:50] Hmm okay I see what you're saying now and yeah definitely there are times that, especially with some of the things that I personally believe you get people that are saying like oh well that's a new thought process well I understand that it's a new thought process.

 

Pastor Bill:

[44:10] That's how Revelation works and how the revealing of the Lord works is through new thought process the Bible itself even says oh those things won't be understand until closer to the end, well if you're going to Discount every understanding as we get closer to the end then you're literally, rejecting the you know what I mean like, even the Book of Daniel and I heard the Thundering saved say something but the voice told me not to write them down and other things that said and I was to seal those things not to be read until the end of time.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:49] Which which really makes those those are the parts that those particular Parts make me just so jealous, because I love knowledge and I love like finding things out and it's one of those things where like there are certain things about, the world and Christianity in life and even down to how atoms work and how things you know how God designed certain things to operate that, that we don't understand and can't you know you have certain things in the science scientific Community that's like we're never going to understand, we don't know we're going to keep trying we're going to keep breaking it down and they break it down and get to another level and they're like okay we get that, but we found something else yeah and there's those kind of aspects and it's like but I want to know and so then with just knowing, that Daniel had to walk around it would drive me insane knowing there were things I just couldn't say like hey here's a secret but, but then why'd you show me why did you show me I needed you to understand what you were going to see next so you needed to see that but you can't say it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:02] Or or they were stated and it had nothing to do with you that they were being sated you just happen to be within earshot, that had nothing to do with you that well that was something completely different that we were working on.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:19] That angel was told to keep his mouth shut and didn't so sorry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:24] You have to live with the responsibility of that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:26] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:27] But yeah the science thing that's that that always gets me um like Adams like you said like there was a time where we thought atoms were the smallest thing ever oh you can't get any smaller than atoms, cool cool and then we discovered protons electrons and neutrons well we discovered protons and neutrons, and we're like okay cool we but something's missing if there's just protons and electrons will say okay now we know there's protons neutrons and electrons okay great there's nothing else, and then we discovered quarks and we were like quartz what's the Cork and they were like sound waves, whoa whoa whoa whoa get back that up again electrons and protons and neutrons are made of sound waves.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:17] Yes how wow.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:20] How we don't know wait.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:21] We don't know where to keep looking.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:24] What is the sound what is it we don't know what causes the sound we don't know okay so everything's made of sound and that sound coalesces together to create items, and even light is then made of those items so light is actually made of sound.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:44] Mmm, and this is one of those things I'm going to say that has no basis in anything and I probably shouldn't what I'm going to,

cuz it makes a funny joke either way but it's almost like everything was spoken into existence or something just saying.

 

Pastor Bill:

[48:06] You believe even if you believe in the Big Bang which honestly all Christians do we believe everything happened at one time,

now we believe the cause of the Big Bang was something different than what secular scientists attribute to the Big Bang right secular scientists attribute to there was, and we believe the same thing we believe God spoke and bang it happened and the Big Bang Theory was originally written by a believer, a devout believer in Christ who was a Catholic priest and a scientist in his spare time and he came up with the Big Bang Theory so it's even a Christian created science. You know we kind of all believe in the same area you know what I mean like interesting, but I.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:12] It is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:15] Headcanon now we're talking about you know when nerd circles to talk about head canon like I want to believe it happened this way so I'm going to believe it happened that way like, in that episode of Doctor Who where number 10 they take a sample of DNA and it creates a daughter of the doctor's daughter who then the actor playing the doctor went on and married the actress playing the doctor's daughter and now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:38] Who was who was the doctor's daughter.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:41] In real life the daughter of another actor who played the doctor so the doctor married the doctor's daughter's doctor daughter.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:48] Whose daughter was it whose daughter was it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:53] Um five.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:57] I don't remember I was just asking.

 

Pastor Bill:

[49:59] Or six I can't remember the name of the top of my head anyway what were we talking about oh yeah head can, at the end of the episode she gets in a rocket and she blasts off into space and head kit and I want to believe she's out there running Adventures, Steven Moffat wants to believe she immediately ran into a moon and died and that's why we hate Steven Moffat because he's a horrible writer with no imagination, um so head canon I head canon that quarks are The Echoes of God's voice from creation, that all of all matter all reality is just God's voice echoing when he spoke in creating everything. And that's my what I want to believe about what corpse are now they're they're more likely, the reverberations of exotic matter as it passes between layers of different dimensional space that then causes those, Echoes that then combined to make electrons, that can't be seen until they're moving and courts can only be heard it's more likely that exotic matter scraping, on those layers as it passes between the layers in the layer Dimensions if you want a scientific explanation Works probably are, and I understand that like I understand that knowledge had Wise from the science that I know and the things that I've read in the things that scientists have said, I get that. But I want to believe is the echo of God's voice and big says we're down a rabbit hole but honestly we're not what we're doing, is where giving example, of doing an exegetical analysis of something and this is what you do,

you get deeper and you get deeper and you get deeper and you go oh well this says this let's consider that well this is this let's consider that this says this let's consider that and you put it all together, to get a broader view of what it is, and so that's what you do that this this is exegesis and and it feels like a rabbit hole in this instance because we didn't specifically say, we're going to do an exegesis on you know this topic but we naturally followed that exegetical pathway. Which yes to acknowledge what Biggs and brought up on Twitch which I was very tickled to bring up is being Berea, being Berean Berean Manifesto being Berean like the church at Berea in Acts is, taking an exegetical viewpoint on your own Christian Life instead of, taking an eisegetical Viewpoint and just saying oh well they said it so I believe it no need to look for myself, reject that, and do the exegesis yourself look into the scripture yourself look into what it says look into what they meant look into how that plays into the whole thing that's being written there that whole section, and decide what you believe based off of the actual frame, not based off of what I say or Pastor Newms says or what some big pasture and some big fancy stage somewhere says but based off of what you've actually studied. I'm not telling you to reject pastor's on stages and I'm not telling you to reject going to church because, that's a whole different topic, and we can talk about that another time that's a whole nother topic what I'm saying is in between times that you're in church, you should be owning your walk with God, you should be studying the scriptures you should be seeking out God's face and you you should be learning what you believe, about things all the things and that's what I have to say about that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:55] And oftentimes you know using the things that you hear and are taught as springboards, you know because like there's often times where you're like oh I never thought about that, and most of the times when you then start digging into something is because you hear someone else talking about it or you run across it in your personal study both are valid there was a time in my life, where a lot of my religious study was done surely to prove other people wrong terrible motivation.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:35] You learned a lot.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:36] But I learned a lot you know it, at one point of my life I was known as aren't you a Baptist, and people would come into my dorm room and be like aren't you a Baptist what do you think about this and so I had studied a whole bunch just to have arguments with those people, now that's not the reason I study anymore is not to just prove people wrong it's to try to find, where the line of my belief is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:11] I had a similar I had similar experiences in The Internship.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:14] I didn't say that that's where it happened.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:16] You said dorm room that's the only dorm room you've ever lived in.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:19] I've lived in so I'm going to dorm room I've been in.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:22] Okay I'd have people coming to my dorm room and they'd say aren't you the guy that before you were saved that it added up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:30] Oh

 

[56:39] Yeah it has a very very much.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:42] Similar similar.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:43] We won't get into that here either.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:45] Not tonight no Okay so, this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time anywhere that you get podcasts if you have a place that you're getting podcasts that the Breen Manifesto is not being listed let me know we'll fix that. Because we've gone to Great Lengths to make sure that we are syndicated, across everywhere that you can get podcasts because we want people to be able to get the word and to be able to get The Berean Manifesto and be able to you know move forward with their Christian walk, as we say faith hope and love for the modern Christian who's the modern Christian anybody who's a Christian right now, that's it that's that's our goal to bring faith hope and love to anyone who's a Christian right now that's the modern, also if you are listening to this podcast and you want, to join the conversation we do record this live on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time you can catch that on our twitch Channel our YouTube channel and our Facebook Channel you can go to eight, you can go to ekk.house to check out all of our back episodes of the podcast, and to figure out which twitch Channel which Facebook and which YouTube you can catch us live and when you do catch us live you join the conversation through text chat, I'm just like we've had tonight where we've mentioned Biggs Phoenix that brains all these people are watching live Twitter Youtube we didn't have any commenters from Facebook tonight, that's honestly where we get the least amount of views anyway.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:29] Well it's a dying platform but anyway.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:31] It is it but it's available.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:32] It's available.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:34] So if you want to join us live we would love that, and we would love to have more voices joining in the conversation because more voices doesn't make us weaker more voices makes us stronger and if something is true and right than it can stand up to scrutiny, not that we're encouraging arguments but as level-headed believers who are, Believers we love each other and we're in the same boat and we're working to better each other we can have conversations about, different things and hold different viewpoints and still grow together and still move forward together, yeah so come join us we'd love to have you and that is what we have about that join us this week sometime on Pastor Newms twitch Channel, um and for gaming with pastors if we do that we can of a spur-of-the-moment thing when we do that there's no real set schedule, you can go.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:33] Have at night.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:34] You can go and set that channel to follow and you'll get an update when we do go live, and it's the same twitch channel that we use for when we're going live on Sunday nights with the breed Manifesto so it kind of makes it easier there for you to find it you can go to EK K dot house to find which channel that is, hit that follow button this follow right on Twitch.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:54] I've no idea I think so yes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:56] Follow button and then you'll get notified when we do go live with gaming with the pastors and you can hang out with us and more of less religious more casual setting where we are, attempting to create friendship evangelism, in the twitch Community make friends and lead people to the gospel, in a trusted way where they can trust what we're saying and be a light in the darkness and, a tool that the Holy Spirit can use so that's the goal of gaming with the pastor's also it's just a whole lot of fun it's fun and takes a lot of stress out of, the rest of our lives and so anytime you can do ministry and take stress out of your life with the same time that's a good thing, so you guys have a great week stay safe, last week you said I love messing with him and so this week I got to mess with you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:06] It's just rude that is just rude.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:09] Do you want to say it again do you want to get you want to say your thing again say now that I've said it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:13] I'm going to say I'm going to say I love you all and do whatever you.

 

Pastor Bill:

I thought you were going to say, "Until next time..."

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