Pastor Bill:

[0:06] To season 3 episode 51 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Tonight we're on a special night in the special time because we wanted to get in our live recording of our episode about Halloween before Halloween and then I'll rush it into early release with all the podcast services so that on Sunday it will already be out there and available to listen to. And if you're thinking this is going to be anti-Halloween then you're obviously new to the Berean Manifesto, and if you think this is going to be Pro-Halloween then welcome home your my kind of people. So here we go let's warm up a little bit because last time we try to go in cold and it didn't work well.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:04] It worked well for about 20 minutes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:05] No, it wasn't even 20 minutes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:08] Yeah cause you re-listen to it I refuse to even re-listen to it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11] It was like 10 minutes. For 10 minutes it was fine and then then it was only 35 minutes of actual content. For 10 minutes it was fine, and the rest of it was just awful. So how's your week been?

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:41] For treating the girls have been sick out wrecker tree yes we have been playing trick or treat.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:53] Probably my favorite event all year but all the sharing and all the little candies and it's just it's a lot of.

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:03] I will point out something hilarious though that I just realized you know we have the service that takes the Twitch stuff when we're live here and puts it over into the restream bot that puts it into the Discord and Vander who's a friend of ours. Well friend of mine you've met him, friends technically but friend of mine from Don't Worry About It, which is a gaming community - and just don't worry about it don't worry about when he first jumped in, he posted this cool squid. Just yet to squid and in Discord it just says squid one squid two squid three squid four. When though it's this tentacley squid. It just has squid one squid two squid... because it's a well because it's a custom disc it's custom Twitch emoji as opposed to a world-renowned Emoji I just was clicking through my discords to see if I had said we were live anywhere the else that we should have that I didn't. And realized that it said squid and that Vander said squid squid. So here's my issue, I don't know whether Zaydiee's just that tired or a liar because I told her and Alexa announced it to the whole house

 

Pastor Bill:

Maybe she is just playing along.

 

Pastor Newms:

So I'm not sure no no no Alexa, don't announce anything.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:18] She's playing your words back to you in that's what you want to announce yeah announce that Alexa go ahead.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:30] It turns on for recording announces. I can't say the command because obviously she's listening. Obviously she's listening so I'm not going to say it but, turns on and turns off my light and does a little announcement that's funny one says Newms' mic is hot and the other one says there are no more hot mics here, so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:10] Sounds like your Alexa has a crush on your microphone.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:13] She might.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:16] Newms' Mike is hot.

 

Pastor Newms:

[5:18] Newms' mic is hot so

 

Pastor Bill:

How was your week Pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

It was pretty good overall the week was pretty good lots of lots of Star Trek as you mentioned I honestly need to do a lot more because I am, of oh Zaydiee thought we would just be recording a podcast she did not know we were fully going to go live, so I'm sorry I insulted her intelligence if she felt it that way or. I just figured she was sleepy because she's hurting today real bad with her back.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:59] I've had a bad day today pain-wise as well we went to the library yesterday for a Dia de los Muertos cultural celebration at the public library. Little late for that seeing as Dia de los Muertos was October 1st but that's fine, you can celebrate a culture at any time and you know where within a month that's cool but it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:29] There's definitely a lot of beliefs on a lot of things as I looked into.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:36] Of these little sugar skulls and got to you know paying them and learned how to make little flowers out of the tissue paper you know and got face painted and we just hang out and learn about some of the ways that that culture celebrates this time of year,(Child interrupts) Hey stop. I am live, do me a favor and turn my AC on please. You literally had to walk past the big red light to get in here and then you came out announcing... turn on the AC.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:22] Children are fun.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:23] I need a real Studio.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:26] Children are fun.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:27] Are you just I need to install a door or something.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:30] Well my front door is actually that whole area but luckily I'm in I'm not in the bedroom that has the only bathroom in my house so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:40] Well I did turn the other bathroom into a into a nursery took out all the plumbing and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:44] It was fully functional before that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:48] Had to take out all the plumbing and and redo the flooring and you know so yeah so that was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:57] So how was your week.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:01] My week, well I mean there was the Dia de los Muertos celebration yesterday I thought that was good before that we did One Life gaming with pastors this week and.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:15] I did and I was not in a good mood.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:17] Things yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:18] Time so I'm sorry for that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:27] When we went into an instance that we were probably not really ready for, and then we got some help from some people who were way over ready for it, and so Newms couldn't play the role he needed to play it because the higher levels were pulling the aggro off of his,

character who's supposed to be pulling the aggro and then the person who is supposed to be our healer was pulling aggro and having to defend herself instead of being able to focus on healing everybody and so that didn't go well and the rest of us finished it but Newms did not finish it because he died during the last boss battle so we had to run the whole instance again, just fine, got some great rewards and got to play along you know together some more. (To an interrupting child) Why are you hanging out in here I'm live go away.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:22] Oh the joys that will get edited out in post see that's where I get to join us live because if you join us live you get to see all the bloopers that he edits out in post like that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:33] Right bloopers that's what we'll call them.

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:36] Yeah bloopers I got some good bloopers that I've saved that you had it out.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:40] Are we live?

 

Pastor Newms:

[9:43] Are we live? yes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[9:45] Yeah so have fun with that and then I got some more experience with, um playing with some video editing tools on my phone and trying to figure out some more of the video editing tools on my my Big Bertha computer, and the, puppetry tools and you know getting back into doing graphic design stuff because it's been awhile and then learning that the newest Creative Suite from Adobe is. I wasn't going to use the word different I was searching for a clean word I was going to settle on a step backwards as far as user-friendly as concerned like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:29] Well, well I don't know if I'll agree with you on that because here's the reason if you are a new user it might be more intuitive you're coming at it from someone who's been away for many years so there's been a couple of steps in between, so it might not necessarily be that it's less intuitive, it is for you as a returning person, which I have to deal with in games a lot but not necessarily software but we all know how the ribbon worked out for Microsoft that they won't let go of that everyone hates so I feel your pain on that because we don't need a ribbon in every single Microsoft application Microsoft but you know that's what they feel so. I feel you on that one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:23] All right so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:23] And we got into it about Microsoft today.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:26] Did we and I.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:27] Did yelling and you took it personally because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:28] I wasn't defending Microsoft.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:32] I know I just.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:34] Just being yelled at and how was like I don't disagree I don't know why you're coming at me so hard haha I'm a third - disinterested party.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:47] You know we're very open we're very open with each other and other people and I might or might not be off my medication for another week because I'm in-between insurances and so I might or might not be of the right mental health at the moment and we might or might not over the last couple of weeks fully proved how medicated Newms actually needs to be, so you know what I just realized, I did not text my father Zaydiee text Biggs because Biggs doesn't know that we're live because he's not on any of the places that I just posted to which is why he isn't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:38] Alexa won't text Biggs for you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:39] I have not attached her to my phone because I don't need them communicating more than they already do.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:50] Because you're not just a germaphobe you're also a privacyphobe.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:58] I used to be I'll agree I used to very much be worried about privacy but but conspiracy theory alert once they start putting chips onto the motherboards that you can't, bypass what is it matter.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:17] Yeah it like there's no such thing as privacy anymore if you have an electronic device in your home at all you don't have privacy that's just not a thing anymore.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:28] Yeah and I'm not happy about it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:32] But it's not something you can fight either unless you want to live like you're in the Stone Age and then I guess you could.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:39] You could but being the product manager of a software company would be very very.

 

Pastor Bill:

[13:45] Working in software you.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:48] Without technology around someone as smart as Vander could possibly still work in Tech without having Tech I'm not that smart though Steve and I shouted you out to that many times.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:00] This is my air-dropped laptop that I built myself out of pieces that I mind myself from them Hills right there and when I'm done with my work I mail it in and then I build a new one.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:15] It would take something like that honestly I mean you'd have to be custom making your boards but that's beside the point we're not gonna get into that conspiracy theory that not everyone agrees with I don't wanna okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:23] Now it's time to Get To Know The Pastor's yeah you're gonna okay ready "What do you consider the most overrated virtue?"

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:49] Which for each group of Virtues are we using are we doing like you know the Biblical thoughts of Virtues as the fruit of the spirit are we doing you know the opposite of the seven deadly sins are we doing what virtues, are you thinking of going with here.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:08] You have to answer for yourself man.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:12] What I need is some context.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:16] Don't have any edges I read you the card that's the context should I pull the next one is this one too hard.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:22] No no you go for it you answer and then I'll think about it while you're answering.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:26] I have no idea.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:28] You're like the virtues are all important what.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:31] That's what I that's why I was like, we apply it on the only thing I can think of is patience is a virtue and I'm like I don't think patience is overrated because I mean with the right amount of patience there never would have been any world wars.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:55] So

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:57] So patience is not an overrated virtue.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:00] No I don't know you're just stating ones that aren't.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:04] Once I do this is one is the only one I can think of.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:06] Do I know but mine is when I can think of is love you know I don't know that's what I'm saying I don't know what we're using is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:14] What I'm saying.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:16] All right just just give another card I hate your deck.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:19] Hey you do. All right "You have $100,000 you have to donate or create a charity?"

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:32] Easy next.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:36] You like we're doing it right now man what.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:39] We're doing it right now like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:41] These cards are rigged man.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:42] The camera that you're using the computer that you're currently on the book behind me that's research material right here it all came from, the charity that we founded to spread peace hope and love for Christians and bring people to them try again.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:04] "If you can instantly become one what would you want to be an expert in?"

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:10] But I'm an expert in everything already what's your point. No okay so if we're talking true expert I would actually love to be.

An expert developer just bam and be an expert I would love that because my brain does not, fathom learning well and I've struggled to learn, more like I understand the ideologies but the actual programming languages are extremely hard for me with my dicks less bumper bar. My dyslexia so I would like to be able to just be a coding expert and my fingers know how to do it in my brain process all of it correctly and be an expert in that field, booty what I'd have to say what about you.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:10] I would like to be an expert in Psychiatry with a secondary minor in Psychology and a focus in counseling. That would that would be great.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:28] I could definitely see you doing those things.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:33] Young people I could help with that set skill set and people would actually listen to me because I'd be an expert probably wouldn't say anything different than what I do right now but I'd be an expert.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:50] See that's a field that being an expert isn't always the best thing sometimes.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:57] Not always but.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:59] Because often times people don't listen to experts in certain Fields already like you know you should change this and you'll be better you're like sure you I like how I am so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:13] But the better doesn't taste as good.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:16] Yeah never so I didn't say dietician because what's the use of knowing I couldn't follow it, so okay cool I mean that works that was a deep you know third time was a charm with the questions it works.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:32] It did it works alright so if you are going to be looking up and following along scripturally tonight, then you're going to want to open up your Bible to Colossians chapter 2.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:45] Are you going to put them in the chat like you did hmm okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:49] Like that like that just hit it as enter and then you ask the question.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:53] No no that's not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:56] So we'll be spending some time in Colossians chapter 2 we're going to talk a little bit about we both did, today research to refresh our memory about the history of Halloween and the way different cultures look at Halloween and so we'll be talking some about you know what, looked at today because we've both looked into Halloween a lot because it's one of those things you know when when you've got, the church culture telling you no no no no no and you've got the rest of world going yes yes yes yes yes, you need to make a decision for yourself and we live Berean Lifestyles before either of us could even put a title to what it was we both believed in well I gotta I gotta understand what I believe, so I gotta find out what I believe so I gotta I gotta find research I gotta find information so.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:46] Now I will say in my past I was more argumentative in it than I was. I need growth so I'm going to.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:02] Well yeah yours was I'm going to study to prove what I know to be right so I have tools to shut down those people who believe something else. Someone was like.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:14] I mean I wouldn't even say it was that soft it was straight up I want to prove you wrong so I'm studying I didn't even think about it from a standpoint of anyway that's beside the point not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:27] That's not it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:28] Yeah when you take your laptop with your concordances and bibles to church with you to look up everything as the pastor speaking so you can argue as opposed to taking it home and thinking it through and processing it it's probably the wrong route, I had some really good services that way though learned a lot other than when the man was speaking but that's beside the point now we do it the whole time of us researching while we're talking and before.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:04] Okay, so we're in Colossians 2 right and Paul I'm gonna I always think Paul writes every book of the New Testament and two-thirds of the time I'm right, did it as a joke that's a Bible joke if you don't understand that go look at how many bibles books of the Bible Paul wrote, so the ball right into the clay Colossians and he starts talking about I wish I was there but I'm not, but I know that you're rooted and grounded in established in faith and I want you to be careful that no one takes you captive, with philosophies of man and man-made how does he put it. Captive through philosophy and empty deceit it's in verse 8 based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world,

rather than Christ and if you go back and you look at the cross references for this verse Paul was specifically talking about the traditions and the things that the church was doing, and saying what we have to do XYZ for it to be a quote-unquote service and if we're not doing that then that's a sin and that's specifically talking about in this verse is. Don't get taken captive by this thought of well it's got to be a certain way and because the church said it has to be a certain way he wasn't even talking about the Gentiles of this point he was just straight-up talking about, you're creating new things to do based off of what you've seen in the world you've gone will they do it this way so we're going to do it because they must be onto something, don't get caught up in all that because that's not based in Christ as based in the world, and he goes on and on he's encouraging them and he's talking about you know you died to the things of the Flesh and you're alive in Christ and Christ died too, we're in verse 15 now disarmed the rulers and authorities and disgraced them publicly right he try and Christ triumphed over the rulers and authorities of this world, then we pick up in verse 16 and this is where we're really going to focus in here. Starting in verse 16 Colossians chapter 2 verse 16 therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the metal matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day now in the King James in verse 16 there, it's a let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon or of the Sabbath days so that holy day in that Festival these could easily be holidays the way we use the word in the modern tongue these are holidays, verse 17 these are a shadow of what was to come the substance is Christ. No one condemned You by delighting in ascetic practices and the worship of angels claiming access to a Visionary Realm,

such people are inflated by empty Notions of their unspiritual mind, now this ascetic practices that's where you abstain from doing something because you believe by abstaining it makes you holy, so he's saying. Don't get caught up in these well they're celebrating these holidays and they're settling these holidays and they're having a Sabbath on this day and they're having the Sabbath on that day and they're eating this food but they don't eat that, and they drink this but they don't drink that don't get caught up in who's doing what, you do between you and God what's right for your relationship with God if you're going to go out and celebrate a holiday go out and celebrate the holiday and continue to be Christian. Celebrate the holiday if you're going to celebrate the holiday you don't be the people who go well I don't I don't celebrate Halloween because that's the devil's holiday, I'm sorry but Paul's looking to you going that very statement you just made, that is inflation of your empty Notions of your unspiritual mind that you won't celebrate. And put on a silly costume and go get free candy because you think you're too holy, just to have a family celebration.

 

Pastor Newms:

[26:56] I'm going to say this is one of those situations where I actually like the KJV better puffed up by his fleshly mind.

 

Pastor Bill:

[27:06] Which first was it get lost, 18 let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels intruding into those things which he hath not seen vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.

 

Pastor Newms:

[27:24] It's just it's just more of a fun way of saying inflated puffed-up is such a better, it's you know it's the same words, but it's just more of a fun way of saying it sometimes you know something like that aren't puffed up, so sorry I got caught up and also I'm sorry that it appears restream might be having a slight issue tonight, my twitch is saying that the bitrate is not great but restream is saying,

the bitrate is perfect so there might be some communication issues going on so if you're experiencing those I am very sorry I've turned everything off just to try to fix it on our side but I honestly think it very much is a. Possibly a restream issue because.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:32] Between restream and twitch.

 

Pastor Newms:

[28:34] Yeah because it says our bit rate is very very bad and that the stream is unstable because the keyframe interval is too high.

 

Pastor Bill:

[28:49] Okay. All right so that's what I have in the scriptures and you should definitely go back and read into all of that all of all of Colossians chapter 2 is great. I'm thinking if I want to cover any more of these verses before we before we move on to the other things.

Sure, um I'm actually fond of this next piece of Colossians starting in verse 20, if you died with Christ to the elements of this world well I do you live as if you still belong to the world why do you submit to regulations all right, at first it sounded like Paul was saying stay away from the world and get into the church, don't don't be doing worldly things be doing Godly things then he says, why do you submit to regulations don't handle don't taste don't touch whoa whoa wait wait wait that's not the world regulations those are the church's regulations.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:00] Well.

 

Pastor Bill:

[30:02] All these regulations refer to what is destined to perish by being used up their human commands and doctrines, Church's make Doctrine it's not the world although these have a reputation for wisdom, my promoting self-made religion false humility humility and severe treatment of the body they are not of any value in curbing self-indulgence.

 

Pastor Newms:

[30:37] I think I think that's always been a big issue we talked about a lot of you know we've both seen a lot of people exit the church or,

turn their back on Christianity or turn their back on Christians before ever coming into the church just because of so often churches in and of themselves have created, human commands and doctrines as opposed to just following, the teachings of Christ and the teachings, of the New Testament and all you know the things the things that we're supposed to learn so often we put rigidity around it even more than is there, and I think that's a big issue in a lot of, modern religions because you'll see people talk about why I can't stand religion and you're like oh I agree because, the religion isn't the key it's the relationship and so often sadly we've pushed people away from the relationships and the relationship building and the relationship with God and built around it human commands and doctrines which is a good way of saying it and I like this is twice tonight so I don't know whom. King James had on Colossians but they were on point.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:01] Sound point.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:13] It's the Commandments and doctrines of men you know it's the same thought process but, just that difference of where they put the of.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:29] And it's not like it's not like Paul is is it's only probably sitting outside of the church structure, pointing his finger at the church judging the church, by the time you wrote Colossians so Paul he gets saved on the road to Damascus it's another five five to ten years before he meets the Apostles of the church and joins the church, then he spends 18 years serving in the church. Right as a deacon so he's not speaking from no experience he's speaking from I was in the thick of it for almost two decades.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:13] Yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[33:16] Can't you can't you can't create new doctrines you can't create traditions of men and call them the work of God you didn't you can't deny, certain things and go oh this makes me hold of that I'm denying this because it's not how that works that's just vanity.

 

Pastor Newms:

[33:36] Well and you know it's sadly something that I think every religion every government every, every human we have issues with that of taking a good idea taking a good thing and then. Oh well if I'm trying to do this will then I have to make it this over here also you know you always you look at.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:03] So yeah good.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:06] Jesus's teachings even then like hey when you pray don't pray like a Pharisee, you know when you do this don't do it like that when you do this don't do it like that and then people are like okay cool I agree I shouldn't be like that, and then fast forward five to 10 years there like oh could you believe that Susie Joe did blonde blah and you're like wait a second, you shouldn't care what she's each oh did first off and second off don't pray about Susie Joe out loud in front of other people like I'm glad I'm not Susie Joe because, you've you've pushed the line we've all seen it happen.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:47] You have misunderstood the assignment.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:49] Yeah we've.

 

Pastor Bill:

[34:52] Yeah I went there I went to.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:53] We're someone takes their prayer list and makes it a weapon to a certain degree David did it even we can go even go back to the Old Testament David was like I pray these people burn in hell forever and you're like whoa David, David David David no calm down first off we pray they change we pray they become better.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:19] Sometimes when I'm reading what David wrote I'm like dude they really needed some anti-depression pharmacology, because I can I can relate to this energy I can absolutely relate to this energy when I haven't been on my pills for a month or two, I feel it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:39] Have you experienced some recently as well you know do you feel attacked.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:44] You know what.

 

Pastor Newms:

[35:45] Overall.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:48] So well, two of the two two aspects that I admire about Buddhism, is one it is a loosely held religion the way Christianity is supposed to be, there aren't a set packed of rules you have to do this you have to do that we have to do this you have to do that, there are strict cultural understandings a different parts of the world that are tied into Buddhism that your family will hold you to a cultural standard but there's no like, you know from the top down going we have to do this you have to do that yeah right, so I admire that because Christianity is supposed to be that way supposed to own your own walk and, when they practice asceticism right when they practice I'm,

depriving myself of this thing they're not depriving themselves of that thing to make themselves better, but not going well it makes me a better person because I don't, blah they go well I'm not gonna blob because when I do it makes me a worse person. So it's set flip of that idea you know where we see in modern Christianity they go well I'm not gonna do that because I'm better than that I'm a better person than doing that, and in and then Buddhism it's well I'm not going to do that because if I do that it makes me less of a person, I can't be more of a person than I already am and I can't be better than I am but I can remove those things that make me lesser than I am. And so I admire those two concepts of Buddhism and you know as it applies to this this idea that it reminds me of those Concepts. I want anybody saying I endorse Buddhism because obviously Christ is the way.

 

Pastor Newms:

[37:56] Well and did the Greek Orthodox Church some of what. There are certain aspects I really enjoy about degree with Orthodox Church some I don't agree with of course as we have everything but one of the things I really enjoy and didn't know about this for years because well unless you're taught it, you're not going to because they're not going to fully tell you because the purpose of this which is when they're fasting. You know fasting is important if you're able to please don't fast if you're medically not able to like myself,

try to kill yourself too fast just to say I fasted because that's again not the purpose of any of this.

 

Pastor Bill:

[38:41] That's the opposite of what we're going for.

 

Pastor Newms:

[38:43] The opposite of what we're talking about so no matter how hard you think you have failed as a Christian do not go out and try to fast if you can't not going to help when they're fasting from something. They're not allowed to tell people so like we have a friend.

 

Pastor Bill:

[39:02] Jesus is instructions.

 

Pastor Newms:

[39:05] We have a friend who when they fast we found out me and another one of our other friends, found out the night we played D&D was one of the nights they were fasting a certain thing well four years when we would get together, all the different kinds of meat because we're at the time we're, a bunch of people who aren't tend to be nerdy eat you know we like pizza and we would order, and it would come and they would eat and you know blah blah blah fast forward a while some it was like one of the times it was his turn to do something he was like well let's do this and he slipped, and was like cuz there's no meat on it and we were like why don't you want meat, well I technically I'm not supposed to partake of meat on this day because it's a day of fasting and we fast meat and we're like. But what and so then it created a conundrum where he had to you know go into the details of it of like okay look you're because all of a sudden those of us that are religious or respectful of other religions you're like you've made us make you bad you know, no no no no that's not how this works, it's a personal thing so if you're offered something you're supposed to still take it because it's you're not supposed to announce I'm fasting me and so then we change what we would do, we weren't ordering chicken nugget every time you know we were you know we always ordered a cheese pizza then it you know, in that I really loved that teaching of hey. Offend other people by, saying well I'm so great because I'm fasting that right now and you're just not and I enjoyed that now I'm not saying the entire Greek Orthodox Church walks in that way, but he did and I always really applauded that. Dying don't do that no dying.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:47] Tried to breathe my coffee instead of swallowing it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[41:49] That's not going to work.

 

Pastor Bill:

[41:50] No it's not. I've been studying about the tithe you know and in the when we were meeting face-to-face for The Ekklesian House.

We didn't take up an offering this is part of my study you know ties and offerings we weren't taking up an offering because I felt like. It wasn't right like we were putting people on the spot and taking advantage of the moment and then. Discord says that I just told Zaydiee that there was something in the freezer, chicken nuggets in the freezer all right and so I thought we were taking advantage and then I found the scripture where Paul calls it extortion to expect money when you show up on the spot for preaching, and so I internalized his personal belief and started to teach it as a you know torture, and we came to us dance of. In our church that we wouldn't take up an offering that if somebody wanted to give they could give we'd have envelopes their pins they if they want it in private to drop some envelope that's between them and God, we weren't going to ask we're going to bring it up and we were going to continue to pay for food for anyone who showed up, um every Sunday and we did and we never didn't have the money to pay we got close, um but we never didn't have the money to pay for food for food forever new showed up and so I had this guy in the car he was a young guy who was Greek Orthodox, and so I was talking to him and I you know I don't I don't go to a Greek Orthodox church and so I was just wondering is there a stance that they have, and so I asked him so do you guys take up an offering, during your services and he said what what is that what's an offering and I was like well that answers the question but let me explain so in a Protestant and a Evangelical and in these churches like this, every Sunday they pass around a basket or a bucket or they they do a mini sermon about God blessing you and you giving to the church and then they pass it around and everyone puts their tithe in it and they, and they put it their offerings in it and and then the that money is for the church. And he got this really angry look on his face and he said those are Heretics and they need their churches burned down. And I said wow that's how you feel about it he said no no that's that's the truth a Greek Orthodox Church would never put you on the spot and ask you for money. Our men in our women get together and volunteer their time to make crafts that we then go and sell to raise money for our churches. We volunteer our time I don't ask people to volunteer their money that's wrong, and I said you know what I agree not to the extent that you do I do think we should be burning down churches but, I agree that it's that I don't for me believe it is the right thing for me as a pastor to get up and go all right if everyone will crack open their wallet to the tune of you know like you do with it so crippled, okay crack open your Bible alright so now we're off topic just a little bit.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:22] Just a little Halloween.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:24] But that's fine Halloween Newms what did you what did you find in your research that you wanted to or get reminded of or whatever that you might want to bring up about the history of Halloween.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:37] Can't fidget with that while we're live on Twitch because they don't condone weapons on the stream so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:46] He pulls out his magic wand and yells Avada Kedavra.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:50] No this one isn't an actual magic wand because it has a trademark on it and anything with a trademark is I can't see it you know anything that.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:59] Alright alright alright.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:03] So I. You don't know nothing that I looked up today was different than what I what I really thought one of the things that I was reminded of. That I did enjoy was the fact that, there's a lot of people that use a lot of different scriptures to say why you shouldn't celebrate Halloween, and it was really funny because I came across an article and it was like, here are the verses why you shouldn't celebrate Halloween and it was like you should not walk in darkness you should be the light and then the person, I was like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[46:52] Wakes can you say that again.

 

Pastor Newms:

[46:55] It was something like don't walk in darkness you should be the light right and then the person was like, that verses taken out of context and here's why and list the reasons and then it was like one was like do not suffer a witch to live and they're like is part of your collecting candy. Actually casting spells do you think that the knock on the door is you casting a magic spell to get candy and it was

it was very humorously written and I was like hey I like that do you think that trick or treat is an actual spell that gets you candy I mean it kind of works like a spell but it's not, um people just give it to you it's some it's amazing.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:38] It's more akin to a threat than anything else not.

 

Pastor Newms:

[47:41] It really is it really is extortion it is extortion going back to what we were speaking of it is extortion because the term trick-or-treat is you give me a treat or I will trick you I mean it is what it is, now that goes back to differ.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:59] Not as bad as the Christmas celebration of to go a caroling.

 

Pastor Newms:

[48:07] It is not would you like to speak to that one.

 

Pastor Bill:

[48:11] Sure so the Christmas tradition of going caroling going door-to-door singing song, um this tradition was originally the poor and the homeless would go door-to-door and sing songs and when they got to the end of the song, you were expected to give them food money clothing treats and if you did not provide that it was 100% legal, for them to break into your house and drag you out into the street and beat the living poo out of you and then go on to the next house and continue singing It's just lovely tradition of Christmas caroling,

beautiful and for longer than. Longer than Christmas has been recognized by the Catholic Church, the the night of December 25th was long celebrated as a night of, where there were no laws you could kill anyone you wanted beat anyone up you wanted do anything you wanted and it was all encouraged in the name of Saturnalia. And these are the Traditions that we then toned down and made into the supposed, birthday of Jesus that doesn't match any description given in the by biblical story of even the right time of year, not even not even the right season anyway Halloween.

 

Pastor Newms:

[49:54] Well in in Halloween's roots are. Very interesting in that you know a lot of people trace it back to one event or one specific aspect most people to trace it back to. The Celts in the 6-2 800s ish is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:21] But there was a form of Halloween going back recorded recorded going back as far as the Egyptians in 3000 BCE.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:35] Which I find to be interesting considering the difference of areas of those two people I honestly think there are certain holidays that,

seasons are seasons and people like to celebrate them.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:51] So most of these Halloween celebrations that we see Pop Up in history wherever they pop up it's always this time of year and it's always rooted around well the hot summer time is ending, and the cold dark winter time is coming and so we're going to take time to remember how blessed we are, and tell each other stories about how blessed the next year's gonna be and we're going to give each other candy. And we're going to expose our fears to each other and help each other overcome them. Is it the traditional celebrations of Halloween.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:38] Yes some of them for the for the majority of people yes those are.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:43] Yes we're talking about majority where they push we're just pops up and cultures this is the majority of what they are doing.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:52] Then you have the fun ones.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:56] Then you have the fun ones.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:58] You know the the pagans certain Pagan groups in, the Britain Islands the Celts the Scottish the Anglo-Saxons before the Romans came in and and Romanized them more, they they had some interesting beliefs around this time of year and it evolved over time but a lot of it has to do very similar to Day of the Dead where, um you had people. The veils are are thinner is with the belief is between the spiritual and the physical and so because of that, in the Celtic certain Celtic aspects the monsters would come out and in order.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:50] But not even, October 31st it was November 1st, has always been the day that every that all those cultures believed the veil was thinnest and was the day that the monsters came out and was the day that all the evil stuff happened, and the day before was a day to celebrate and prepare yourself for that day.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:18] So it's very interesting when you look at that kind of stuff is we have definitely, altered, what those beliefs were some of them in good ways and some of them in bad you know we have the jacket lanterns jack-o'-lanterns are fun, they used to be human fat candles as opposed to regular candles because let's be.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:48] And they were never pumpkins until.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:51] They were not pumpkins until America.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:53] Until America and a certain story was written about a certain Headless Horseman and then people started using pumpkins.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:00] Well and because the pumpkin was just a better jack-o-lantern than the original jacket Lon.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:05] Yeah it really is it's bigger its greater yeah the The Originals were just gourds of.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:10] They're just gourds and then all of a sudden someone was like this pumpkin is such a better gourd and so they started using it yeah it's everywhere.

 

Pastor Bill:

[54:17] And who grows wild in this place seriously just throw a rock just throw rotten pumpkin out in your yard at the end of Halloween don't even Johnny from buried or anything in Spring you'll have little Vines of pumpkins.

 

Pastor Newms:

[54:32] Yeah which is funny I saw, remember there's Facebook or Tik-Tok it was just a single image I think it was Facebook but it showed a dog that was super happy because the dog got into a pumpkin, and then the natural progression of what happens after a dog eats something happened and so then under the trampoline, did the kids played on pumpkin started growing the next year because that's where the dog left the seeds and it's like that's. And so it's like her look I made pumpkins and it shows like a little row of little pumpkins and the dogs just happy because he made pumpkins. And so it is always very interesting to look at how Halloween has progressed throughout the time now for the reason I celebrate it it's different than the reason you do, the reason I celebrate it still is a bit yes just a bit just a bit, the reason I celebrated is twofold one, what Halloween is in America today, is not what it was.

 

Pastor Bill:

[55:46] Mmm not even close to what any culture has celebrated.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:51] Nowhere close I like costumes, I've done drama for I did drama when I was younger I love makeup I love costumes and so, I like dressing up in a costume and this is the only time of year that it's culturally acceptable because if I was to roll around with bunny heads or or other things except in certain communities it's not acceptable the rest of the year, and so I love it for that reason and I used to love candy. I no longer love candy is much but I used to love candy and so in that it's a time where you could dress up run around scare people,

which is always fun and get free candy and it's amazing now, coming from the background I came from we did Halloween a little but we mainly did trunk or treat sore or how fall festivals.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:50] And there's nothing wrong with fall festivals and sugar treats.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:54] Nothing wrong with.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:55] Nothing wrong with celebrating the way you want.

 

Pastor Newms:

[56:58] Each other.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:59] Going to clean you know family-friendly way nothing wrong with that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:04] Now as long as you don't go the certain routes, of things that don't just happen around Halloween but happen around all times of year now I will put out a PSA you do have to be careful, goth girls are awesome but if you start dating one about a week before Halloween

you might want to check yourself because goth girls are dangerous during Halloween because they will use you for candy.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:32] They can be dangerously High.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:34] No I'm just joking there's that there's that funny meme of if you start digging a golf girl in October she will sacrifice you which let's be honest most of you aren't worthy of sacrifice or dating so it's fine don't worry about it, that was wrong as me I'm sorry I am sorry everyone out there that was mean that was very mean-spirited.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:55] I mean you're not wrong but yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:58] And I'm not wrong so that's the reason I celebrate Halloween, is it's a time of Celebration with family it's a time it's just like any of the other holidays that I don't necessarily agree with I don't agree with where most holidays actually come from because, the church perverted pagan holidays for almost all of ours and, change them to be what they are I mean even the church's version of Halloween we don't celebrate because most of us don't celebrate All Saints All Souls or All Hallows Eve, yeah and then All Souls day on November second which is a celebration of the Dead, to certain people the celebration of the Dead.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:41] So yeah.

 

Pastor Newms:

[58:42] That didn't get to rise.

 

Pastor Bill:

[58:44] Right well thanks today is celebrating the Saints Souls day is traditionally where you pray for the unsaved who died unsaved and you could go by the pendants to change that, future is the way the Catholic Church.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:01] That's the way the Catholic Church rolls it there's some other churches that celebrate it that's a Time, to reflect on the souls that died in between that are still stuck in, not Purgatory but in like, Abraham's bosom that whole thing before the end judgment which is where the Catholic Church gets the idea of purgatory anyway and they've expanded over time but it's neither here nor there.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:29] Except Catholic Purgatory is always negative there is no cute fuzzy Abraham's bosom Catholic purgatory.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:39] I have heard it taught fuzzy sometimes I think it depends on how they're trying to.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:48] Manipulate the audience.

 

Pastor Newms:

[59:51] Explain their belief system.

 

Pastor Bill:

[59:52] No no no no. The whole the whole catechism setup is is instrumentated around manipulation it's not a time for teaching they do teaching they do a lot of great stuff the Catholic Church, they invest in a lot of communities they have all the right religious things, then they have it dressed in all this greed and pump and fluff and and dead religion but they're getting all the right things right they're just doing all the wrong things too.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:31] It definitely is true that they they're in my opinion they are missing a lot.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:00:41] I don't think they're missing anything I think they've added a lot of things that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:46] But they're missing the point they're missing the point they're missing the lodge.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:00:49] In those extra things they're missing the point yes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:01] You know any religion has issues and can be manipulated which is that whole thing of.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:10] The word religion is a manipulation just to start off with what.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:17] That's what week.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:18] That well that's a manipulative question your you've already manipulated the situation.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:24] Yeah and that's one of the reasons why I really think that we have to focus on the relationship more than anything because that's the important part.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:31] And not just the relationship with God because we you know we talked about making disciples it's all about the people relationships as well you know it's not just hey or say this prayer and then you know, go live your life don't bother me kid that's not that's not what it's supposed to be all right so Halloween for me. My celebration of Halloween is a celebration of the embodiment of the recognition that the darkness has been defeated, and it's a time to poke fun of make mockery of and just have a darn good old time at the darkness has. Watch scary movies from the comfort of my own home and laugh at how campy they are. Dress up my house in the icon of iconography, of skulls and bats and and spider webs and things like this because it's hilarious, that the darkness tries to use these everyday just ridiculous things to try to claim, an edge over our souls, go out on Halloween and get me some candy and take my kids to go out of candy and draw them close to me and instill in them, family time with brothers and sisters and Mom and Dad and extended family that you've made your own is, that having fun with that group is important it is worth investing in, these are the things that I celebrate Halloween for, and we do things like this we have this little we saw this little countdown to Halloween calendar that I have hanging in my little, cubicle office thing here with a little magnetic bat that you move everyday as you get closer to Halloween and we decorated the house and the kids got to pick out Halloween costumes and, all because we're making light of and taking away their power of the darkness. We're mocking it we're not lifting it up we're not not praising it and giving it power we're literally sending a message that it does not have power over our family, it has been defeated and it is no more than our play thing that when we're done with this season we will throw in a box, and store it away until we deem it time to pull it back out again. We're in control the darkness has lost God has won Christ has been Victorious, the devil's plans have been defeated before he even it even sorry you know colloquialisms he before it even made them, they were defeated and that's that celebration now growing up, I you know I was raised in church and we'd have the Hallelujah nights I believe is what they called them when I was growing up and we'd go and we'd play carnival games and get candy and you know,

and every year and it was like you know good old time with candy and whatnot and then, um in my teenage years I got into I mean everybody has something that they were into before they actually, committed themselves to Christ you know in Evangelical circles we talked about well your there's your seed moment and then there's your commitment moment there's that moment where you go down to the Altar and, you you know you respond to the call and then there's the time where you go okay well actually, now now now I'm a Christian and you own it you know you own that life. Um and so I was raised in church and then at 13 I got involved in Witchcraft and Satan worship and just really really really dark. Dark things the occult and so two two years I celebrated too. Celebrations of this time of year in that culture. And so October 31st hey big just got under this, October 31st was this day wear, we would fast and we would contemplate and we would be silent and, just prepare for November 1st October 31st went nothing, to the satanic community that I was involved with I can't speak for every culture in every country in every part of the world I can only speak for what I experienced and for us,

October 31st was nothing there were no, incantations or spells or anything that needed to be done or could be done or would be done it was looked down upon it was encouraged that you didn't do anything on October 31st, and then at midnight that marked the end of October 31st for you and the beginning of November first that's when everything would kick off, and then November first was actually a celebration of, the day that Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and so it's. Do you know this dark holiday where we would celebrate the fall of Man and yeah that's the day that all of the, the stuff that you are afraid of that you think people are doing on October 31st that's what they're doing on November first. And not just at night during the day it's during the night it's and it's all over the world so it's like a 20 what is it 30 40, 46 our time period is what it constitutes a full day on the earth the, um so it's you know it's it's happening while you're while you're celebrating Halloween getting candy in another part of the world they're celebrating November first,

in satanic circles and well I just. A lot of I see a lot of stuff people making videos and I have to cringe and and bite my tongue but I see a lot of people talking about watch out for them which is they're going to take your kids and sacrifice them to Satan and did it, and I really just want to be like you've confused the worshippers of Satan with the worshippers of Moloch. Moloch is the owl demon who's actually not a demon he's a fallen angel he's the owl fallen angel that declares that, you need to sacrifice children to him loose fur isn't interested in,

child sacrifice ball is Moloch is balls not really operating anymore my lock is now, but you've gotten things a little confused there. Satan's Satanist don't want to sacrifice your children they want to recruit your. They want to come into their bedrooms, when you aren't spending time with them and haven't invested time with them and tell them lies about you that you don't love them and that you don't care for them and that you won't even let them go get candy, and things like that and try to recruit them that's that's what steepness one but that's neither here nor there so there are people, there are celebrating this time of the year for dark Pete's not necessarily on Halloween, I mean it's pretty much right there in the name it's a holy day it's set apart it's Sanctified it, everyone agrees on both sides of the line Angelic Fallen Angels demons spiritual creatures God Lucifer everyone agrees. That's a holy day except for evangelicals. Everyone except for evangelicals sees October 31st as a holy day. I kind of like what the Lutheran's do and they just have like a festival and and hang out and what's it called Reformation day and Reformation day that's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:02] Reformation day okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:04] That's fun and it's just an excuse to have a festival, and so the kids still get candy and I still get to dress up and they still and this is what we should be doing as followers of Christ we should be looking at what our kids are admiring of the world and we should go hey you know what, let me do you one better, we're going to also not just have candy we're going to have games we're going to have prizes we're going to have cake and pizza and we're have a lot of fun. With our family because we value. It's not that we don't want you to have a good time that we want to offer you a better time that's what the church should be doing with Halloween and that's that's how I feel about that.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:50] I can't disagree.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:53] We could but you don't want to right now if you're really good at playing Devil's Advocate even when you don't agree with what you're saying so you could disagree.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:02] I mean I always could disagree like you said I'm but I don't I don't need to hurt our either one of our feelings again today.

By pushing pushing too far on things I don't or do you agree on.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:18] I love you all right.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:23] I love you I'm sorry I was yelling about Microsoft I was not actually mad at you you just set a trigger phrase I'm sorry I yelled.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:31] I did you're good you're good we we've got a lot of water under this bridge so. These poor horses okay so this podcast is brought to you by the occlusion house you can go check us out on www.ekk.house, and there you can find out what twitch what Facebook and what YouTube We published you we recorded these podcasts live, usually on Sunday nights but Sunday is Halloween and if you've been listening in this episode of this podcast and you know for me and for Newms that's a family holiday that's the time we're going to spend time with our family, and so we didn't want to record a live podcast on that day we wanted to invest time in our family, so we recorded it tonight and so here we are tonight being Friday October 29th is when we recorded this instead of on a Sunday, and this podcast is coming out early, simply because of the fact that I wanted it to be available for people on Halloween morning and then obviously November verse,

for them to listen to and be educated about as they head into this holiday weekend. Now normally this podcast comes out on Wednesday evenings at 7 p.m. Central Standard time anywhere that you get your podcasts and if you wanted to join us live on a Sunday night when we record this as 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time you can go to EK K dot house to find out which twitch which Facebook and which YouTube we are live on and like we've talked about earlier in the podcast when you type into the chat, client in those streaming services it does show up for us across cross posts we can see it and then we have our own Discord server if you'd like to reach out to us about how to,

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Pastor Newms:

[1:14:52] Newms it's very it's very hard.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:14:54] Very hard to remember and when we're done here in just a couple minutes we're actually going to queue up over there will in this stream and then we'll kick up a new stream, over there and we'll be doing some gaming with, the pastor's a time where we hang out and we talked and we play games and you can go on to Pastor Newms as twitch and chat with us as questions and hang out with us while we play, games tonight if we think we serve were playing New World.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:22] I think so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:23] What are you grinning about over there.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:25] I keep picking up the knife to play with it knowing were not supposed to pick up knives on Twitch.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:29] Your little bitty knife.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:31] Yeah my little my little knife that starts with a K that I can't remember correctly that's a belt knife but yes no it's not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:44] You're talking about the word knife starting with a K you were talking about the company than I've started with a k.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:49] No it's a it's a it's a style.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:52] Oh okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:54] And I can't I can't remember off my top of my head because it's a foreign language and we all know how I am with foreign languages so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:16:03] All right well we love you guys I hope you have a great week.

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