Pastor Bill:

[0:05] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 53 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms, I'm in Texas, he's in Tennessee. Were you saying it's cold in Tennessee right now.

 

Pastor Newms:

[0:24] Um it is it's chilly he don't want to say it's cold but it is chilly. It's jacket weather for normal people I wore long sleeves today can't you tell.

 

Pastor Bill:

[0:43] Yeah I see that, ABatBrain on Twitch asks, "But what does bussin mean? It means like delicious, like it tastes good.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:01] That's not what that means but okay.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:02] It is, that's what Gerg told me. We got Biggs and Phoenix and Zaydiee and ABatBrain all joining us on Twitch. If you're listening to this and you've found the podcast or your you are reading the transcript somewhere we would love to invite you to join us on Sunday evenings... are you seriously pulling up Google to check what bussin means - delicious as if I didn't check it after my son told me that's what it meant. All right so we want to invite you to join us on Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time when we record this podcast live. We do so almost every Sunday there are times when we don't like on Halloween, myself and Newms' family consider Halloween to be a family holiday and so we spend that time with our family instead of recording a live podcast with our lovely online audience on a regular here, we have it set up where you can watch it live on YouTube, Twitch, or Facebook and interact in the chat,

questions or comments or concerns or you just you want to argue about you know the meaning of the scripture or something like that as long as we keep it respectful of each other and we're on topic. Within reason, you know sometimes we get off topic that's fine then you're welcome to join us you don't even have to be a believer you can literally come with honest questions and we'll give you as honest and answer as. Sometimes the answer is I don't know then you know that's an honest answer to... Newms will you please stop the badunking in my ear sending me private messages on Discord?

 

Pastor Newms:

[2:48] I don't know what you're talking about I'm not sending private messages in Discord to prove you wrong because you are using a word that does not always mean food is delicious no not at all not even a little.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:13] Cool so ABatBrain on Twitch is talking about it's a Bat Newms, Biggs talking about there's a Bat Newms because the Newms is wearing a shirt with gray and black, and the sleeves are gray and the the chest area is black with a yellow Batman symbol on it very reminiscent, not quite of the 60s Batman, you know not the TV show but reminiscent more of the Dark Horse Comics Batman style so it's a nice.

 

Pastor Newms:

[3:49] And actually the arms actually say dark night yeah so I would say it's definitely Dark Horse.

 

Pastor Bill:

[3:57] If you're looking for the spirit that Batman was intended to be written in go a Dark Horse Comics. If you're looking for the,

fluffy I never kill anyone (Said in a low toned scruffy voice) Batman then you're looking for DC, if you're expecting the I never killed anyone Batman when you get Dark Horse then you've gone to the wrong. I guarantee you you're in the wrong.

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:20] Yes you're you have downloaded the wrong comic. Now it's there's there's lots of different iterations of lots of different characters and this is definitely the darker version.

 

Pastor Bill:

[4:41] All right so how was your week Pastor Newms?

 

Pastor Newms:

[4:44] Um my week was pretty good, it was pretty bland. The time changed last week and I am one of those individuals that is extremely,

affected by time change I. My my internal clock rules a lot and so would that time changes you know all of a sudden, I'm up at 4:00 a.m. but not out of bed and tired at 9 and you know, starving at 9 a.m. and it's it was just messy and I I don't like it and so I slept a lot because I just. I don't like the time change and it messes with me hardcore so I suffer a lot, and worked a bunch and slapping played Star Trek that's that's really it I didn't even do much other games just because. I was tired cuz I don't like the time change how was your.

 

Pastor Bill:

[5:57] I like this part of the time change when we go in Daylight Savings Time versus. The other time.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:13] Well it's all daylight savings it's.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:14] Fall clock instead of the spring clock when we Spring Forward an hour I feel like I'm a Zombie for like two months trying to catch up never able to get enough sleep, but when the clock Falls backwards I instantly feel energized and like okay I'm ready to take on the world now, from the moment it happens I'm just like cool let's do it and then in the spring when there was spring forward I'm like. Can I can I can I buy a vowel.

 

Pastor Newms:

[6:48] If I'm not mistaken if I'm not mistaken this is the time it's actually supposed to be.

 

Pastor Bill:

[6:56] Yes if we got rid of daylight savings time then the fall is what it would be normally is yeah we would just stay in this set up now the sun obviously would. Continuous weird cycle of going to bed early and getting up late and changing throughout the seasons and we would notice a drastic difference in how the Sun behaves, comparatively to our clocks because what we've been used to but yes this is the timeframe that we would say.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:32] Yeah it makes I I just don't like change is really what it comes down to.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:36] Big says we need to stay here just like I think we need to stay in.

 

Pastor Newms:

[7:42] I agree there's no reason to be bouncing back and forth in today's society there was no reason in Old Society to be.

 

Pastor Bill:

[7:49] What kind of was I mean I get why they did it and even 10 years ago, for some parts of the United States technology still hadn't gotten to the level where it was completely unnecessary in agricultural communities. Um but at this point there are so few communities, that still need daylight savings time that it's not even worth having anymore.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:19] I actually read something if someone complaining because the the switch actually causes problems because they have less time at like farmer's markets and stuff now then.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:33] Will also in the spring the amount of accidents in the morning when people are trying to go to work increases dramatically. Because of the caught springing forward and everyone losing that hour and all crap Breaks Loose as far as people actually trying to focus and do things right so for me this.

 

Pastor Newms:

[8:55] It's almost like the human body wasn't supposed to be.

 

Pastor Bill:

[8:57] It's almost like the human body wasn't supposed to have its circadian rhythm being jacked around by preset clock that mankind decided for it, bright so my week that part of my week was good the rest of the every other part of my week. Yes every other part of my week has been challenging and and so I'm emotionally pretty emotionally exhausted you know like I said I'm physically I'm Jazz you know I'm like, but emotionally it's been a week our car is, sitting in the driveway undriveable and I can't get the shop that I wanted to take it to they haven't called me back we got to get a rental car and I just. It's been two days trying to fix the engine trying to figure out what was wrong with it and try and all the, simple troubleshooting things that I know of and or that I could Google up, and it still won't stay running but yeah so that's this this week has been it's been a bit much.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:22] Yeah it was it was rough.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:24] It was a rough week so before now that's right not before now it's time for getting another pastors and it's an odd episode so I will be pulling my car.

 

Pastor Newms:

[10:36] And because I did it last week. Biggs asked if you put the correct gas in your car which is a direct dig at my wife who at one point did not.

 

Pastor Bill:

[10:46] See now you ruined my joke in response I was going to say nope my name is still has a tea.

 

Pastor Newms:

[11:03] It's amazing what six dollars of diesel will do to a car.

 

Pastor Bill:

[11:05] Ha ha Zaydiee on Twitch just wow really hey Biggs gotta throw shade at somebody I mean that's what he does you literally comes on and he sits there and he thinks about our who can I throw shade. Bill drinking apple juice I'm gonna throw shade at it for drinking apple juice this week it was your turn Zaydiee, your turn to get shade okay. The card said, "What is something you like that most people don't?" What do I like the most.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:03] I mean I think it would need a definition of what most people are I have a lot of fandoms and some of them are Arad yeah. Tina Tina wins Zaydiee wins.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:19] You mean Zaydiee, Zaydiee wins. Zaydiee calm down, you don't gotta throw out several.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:27] Zaydiee likes Goldfish crackers dipped in chocolate pudding which is. All kinds of makes me wonder why we're married.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:46] Okay.

 

Pastor Newms:

[12:47] Now.

 

Pastor Bill:

[12:48] I like movie adaptations of novels. Especially when they're made by like the Sci-Fi channel and like. They're super low budget and so it's like corny as all get-out, and they're using like airsoft guns as if they're like P90s, hey you know and run around in these uniforms that they bought from nervy Army-Navy surplus they don't even match each other and they're supposed to be on the same team and I don't like this is so bad it's good, but then also like when they remake a novel like four big movie theaters, and they like re-envision the story you know and people were like Hey we're on this do you change the and I'm like you know what artistic license I can appreciate both, can appreciate the novel and I can appreciate their artistic revision and that's the part that, according to Newms is face I'd like to most people don't.

 

Pastor Newms:

[13:57] Yes I just got done complaining the fact that I'm pretty sure they've destroyed She-Hulk with the new.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:05] Really I can't wait to see it then.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:06] Based on based on based on one aspect that is in a commercial.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:15] Pastor names you haven't answered yet and a bat burning says she was surprised that her answer about what she likes that most people don't wasn't her husband pastor Newms.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:27] Yeah yeah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:29] See but that's the thing most people like news they just immediately like Newms and for no reason.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:38] No there is no reason.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:44] Just lady says just appreciate the artistic whatever Bill said.

 

Pastor Newms:

[14:49] I can't like I don't appreciate artistic license I I am.

 

Pastor Bill:

[14:53] Like the Green Lantern movie with with that one guy who's that guy's name.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:00] You're gonna make me mad on two counts here one for not remembering Ryan Reynolds name and 24 not for even we that movie doesn't actually exist it's a Smith.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:09] I'm a fan of Green Lantern right it's not a myth I'm a.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:12] It's a it's a myth that movie is a myth.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:16] And I like that movie even though it's.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:18] That movie doesn't exist that movie never actually existed.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:20] I've loved that movie every time it comes on on Hulu or whatever I might get we're watching Green Lantern.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:26] That's a Mandela effect that movie doesn't exist sorry that movie does not actually exist.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:35] Solutely does exist.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:38] No no it does not exist in today's timeline sorry.

 

Pastor Bill:

[15:42] Alright Pastor newms you still haven't.

 

Pastor Newms:

[15:44] I am still trying to think of something that. I mean most of my most of my fandoms and things that I truly enjoy or what everyone else enjoys.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:09] You like Ferengi.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:13] I do love Frankie's most people don't do they I do love the Frankie culture because they're just a bunch of capitalists jerks and I really like.

 

Pastor Bill:

[16:26] To the nth degree of insanity they are capitalist jerks like to a comical level.

 

Pastor Newms:

[16:33] Well that's the whole point like they're supposed in so that's something that a lot of people, and I've gotten crap for this but I'm going to say it anyway a lot of people don't realize that the creator of Star Trek, preferred certain economic structures that America doesn't have and so all of the structures that he doesn't like he makes the bad aliens have. And his children are similar and so it's just continued on through the legacy of you know certain economic and political structures good everyone else terribly bad, and then put the capital of the world France.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:24] Not just the world the capital of like the, the 19 or whatever planets that it is.

 

Pastor Newms:

[17:41] Only a communist would put the capital of everything and sorry I wasn't saying what belief systems I'm sorry nobody nobody's putting.

 

Pastor Bill:

[17:51] Who I laughed so hard just now I almost passed out. My back brain says Christopher Eccleston. Something that she likes that most people don't like I don't think that's really fair though I think if people give him a chance they would like him. He wasn't given a lot of material to really give him that big of a.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:22] He wasn't and that's why I don't think anyone could I thought he was great but I like weirdos so.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:29] I thought he was way better than Matt Smith and Matt Smith got a huge huge time on Doctor Who and so many people liked him and I'm like if they'd given Christopher Eccleston the kind of writing and the amount of time at Matt Smith God, and Christopher Eccleston would be a really popular Doctor Who.

 

Pastor Newms:

[18:49] I am I really I have to agree with Bat-Brains and Zaydiee though my favorite doctor is probably the War Doctor.

 

Pastor Bill:

[18:59] John Hurt

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:01] Just an end the bad part is is it's just because of who it is.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:06] Well.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:06] It's just because of the actor.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:08] You know there really was no word doctor until Christopher Eccleston said he wouldn't be in the 50th and John Hurt was like yeah I want to be in Doctor Who and so then they they created a war doctor character.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:24] Either way he's probably my favorite.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:26] 8.5 they call him. Because it was always believed that it was you know eight and then the end of eight in the beginning of nine were the two doctors that fought in that war yeah but anyway. Nevermore.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:46] Bats the I just love John Hurt and.

 

Pastor Bill:

[19:51] I love it his catchphrase was never more though I really like that it's very po s.

 

Pastor Newms:

[19:58] If we want to make Tina cry we can even about three more actors and Zaydiee will be balling in the office in the in the. I'll all you have to say is John Hurt.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:09] No no we're not we're not going there we're not going there we're not going there stop.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:12] You have to say. I'm going to be in trouble what is what is Snape's name.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:22] Are you quite done yet.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:25] But it snaps real name.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:26] All right so tonight. It doesn't rhyme with Smelling Rickman.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:35] Alan Rickman and then if you say the lead singer of Linkin Park she's done she's done for the day and.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:46] All right so tonight we have named this podcast what did I name this podcast.

 

Pastor Newms:

[20:52] What did you name this pain.

 

Pastor Bill:

[20:53] Was some convoluted sentence that didn't make any sense on purpose I don't look it up.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:00] You hurt my brain sometimes bill.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:05] Is God has always and will be male. Is the name of tonight's episode is God has always and will be male.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:19] You want to type that out just to make it easier.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:21] Yeah I'll type that out in the Discord let's see us is God.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:24] It's a that's a Maxima.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:27] Has opened up I put in a coma where there shouldn't be a comma has.

 

Pastor Newms:

[21:32] Yes because that's going to fix this. That is the name of the.

 

Pastor Bill:

[21:45] Sitting here it says podcast is God has always and will be male so that's what we're talking about is is the god of the Bible let's be very specific here because that's what we're talking about is the god of the Bible. Male.

 

Pastor Newms:

[22:01] Specifically the god of the Jewish and Christian cultures because there are other gods named in the Bible to be clear.

 

Pastor Bill:

[22:09] Yes male or female or no nothing none or all or what big says it doesn't matter. And then he grew continue he finishes his sentence with he's God. Wherein lies the point is we are, as we've talked about Disciples of Christ we go out into the world we make friends we share the gospel and more often than not in modern culture. We say very simple if statements that to us seem simplistic like it doesn't matter he's God and what wasn't intended as I microaggression. Comes across and pushes people away from having that intimate relationship with you so that you can then share the gospel with them, there's nothing wrong. With what you said Biggs there's nothing wrong. Problem is that so he resets it in an act completely accurate biblically accurate statement which I love. So the reason we're talking about it is that very reason is that in the culture that we're in we need to actually know what the Bible says about the, so that when we are confronted by someone who says, hey you said this and that upset me and I don't want to be your friend because you believe that I'm wrong because you used the word he in relation to God and I believe that that brings up, every hurt and pain that I've ever had from every Christian person who was doing it wrong not you. But like we talked about before. When you hold on to unforgiveness you create a future where you see your past hurt. In the innocent things that happen around you. And we're doing what we do ministry to people that have been hurt by everything in the world. Church mailman fathers mothers I mean you can be hurt by anything and if you don't make the conscious decision to forgive that can stick with you forever. But the statement that Biggs made that is so amazingly crafted is they referring to God they can take any form. But Jesus was male and so we're actually going to break that down and we're going to look at what does the Bible say right and so. The things we're going to talk about are constricted to what is Within These 60 66 books that are collected into a Bible right. Not because this is everything we know, about God and not because everything there is to know about God is Within These pages, but because like we talked about in the previous episode and I like the way it was the idea of the way it was put by the person who first suggested these specific 66 books, this is the basic knowledge you need to know to understand salvation. And when we have these discussions on what do we believe theologically. It is honestly best to keep them within the framework of what everyone has. Which is these basic. Teachings for understanding salvation so that's why we're keeping this conversation here and not extra-biblical, we would most likely have, certain different viewpoints overarching lie at the end of the conversation if we did include, extra biblical works from here and there and Sumerian tales and Babylonian myth and data data data data that's not the conversation we're having right all right, so when we ask the question of is God male or what. We get a lot of different viewpoints and and more and more in today's culture, we're seeing even more viewpoints coming across where people are saying that God is androgynous or God is non-binary God is this God is that you've got the die-hard God is a man, group that will argue all day long, that God is a man because the Old Testament uses the word he when it refers to God and it uses he over and over and over again, and so God must be a man because God revealed to the writers what to write every word to write because that's what inspired means which we've already had that conversation that's not what inspired. Inspired, means God gives them the inspiration and and then it is filtered through their culture filtered through their Viewpoint filtered through their worldview and then comes out on the page so, if for instance in this case the descendants of Abraham, because remember Abraham found favor with God when no one else did and his descendants are then the chosen people not because of them but because of Abraham, if his descendants were then a patriarchal society which they were. Then anytime that God spoke to them it would go through a filter of. Power and authority means man so God must be a man and it would come out that way it would come out he his him. That would be the Viewpoint that the scriptures were written. Serious theologians people that have you know done lots of years of study and cross-reference lots of writings Almost 100% across-the-board, agree that God has no gender at all no gender, like he's not androgynous not I said it I said he, God is Not androgynous God is Not 9-ball non-binary not male not female not otherwise, but God is a spirit and therefore has no physical body and therefore, is not male and is not female is not a combination of both is not a combination of none it's just not a question because, it's not something they got needs as a spirit he doesn't have to have a gender and that's what. The common belief amongst most major theologians is but when you ask them why, where is this proof generally they point to John that's a past Pastor John chapter 4. And verse 24 and have your for 24 and they read. God is a spirit and those who worship Him must Worship in spirit and in. Except that's not really an answer I mean it says God is a spirit but nowhere in there does that actually say Spirits don't have gender. So I you know I understand after years of study and yada yada that that that's their jumping off point but to the common person who's trying to understand, what do I identify God as that's very inadequate. Um so this point Newms did you have anything you wanted to interject here before I move on to the next little section.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:14] At this at this point no I'll say. That you know I've always believed in God as genderless because of the spirit aspect. But genderless in the fact that there is no physical gender.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:48] No genitalia to speak of.

 

Pastor Newms:

[31:51] Yes exactly there's no genitalia so you don't have a gender but that does not necessarily.

 

Pastor Bill:

[31:57] That doesn't even fit the modern definition of gender that so many.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:02] Correct.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:05] Groups of culture have grabbed ahold of you know.

 

Pastor Newms:

[32:10] Yes correct and so for me, I've always leaned a certain way on that line when I started thinking about okay well that was all that was a It's Kind like you said you know yes that's here's the verse to use. But that doesn't actually answer the question and so I've always let leaned a certain way. But we'll continue to get to that point.

 

Pastor Bill:

[32:45] So when we look back in. Christianity to understand the really. Staunch view that God is male and God identifies as male. Then we find ourselves going back as far as and now we're talking about when we go to the original languages and what God himself says himself,

who God themselves says see a senior in your learning and your studying and you're trying to change it's not all that easy, um themselves cells about themselves oh gosh then when we find Jesus referring to God as a father. And himself being male. Then that's where in our modern Minds we form this idea that God was always, father and God was always male okay. Now I'm kind of jumping around in my notes here because that's the way my brain is Flowing now. We go down to the always great when your brain throws you a curveball and you've got to jump somewhere else in your notes.

 

Pastor Newms:

[34:24] And an out while you're looking through your notes I'm going to touch on what's being said in chat, big said that they don't need gender to reproduce and I would think, what you possibly mean Biggs is God doesn't need a gender to create more than even to reproduce and then Phoenix asks if there is gender how then, can they be all things to all people like a mother to the motherless and a father to the fatherless. So that's a very good question that we're going to talk about more here as we go.

 

Pastor Bill:

[35:10] Well we don't want to deny current theological beliefs that the church holds, cross you know pretty much across the board so when to make this more inclusive of a conversation so we're not negating, people who might want to learn but are in the culture of the church who have been taught God's a male jedidah the theological answer to Phoenix is question is, that there's God the Father God the son and that the Holy Spirit, fulfills that mother relationship the compassionate nurturing motherly interaction so then God can because God is that trinitarian. Being he can both, be a father as God the father and be a mother as the Holy Spirit and then be a brother, and a friend as Jesus the son, and so that is the pat theological answer to that question but as we, go into our study and we focus on you know well what is the evidence about where where we what we should be believing based on what the Bible says, um and obviously go back and look at all the evidence and decide for yourself just like always use the breathing method just because I say it or Newms says it, doesn't mean it's true,

you need to go and study it out for yourself and make sure so we're going to jump down to Isaiah and my notes down to Isaiah 9:6 and I'm not clicked in the chat anymore to type that in. You did you did okay okay Isaiah 9:6 and forgive me if I don't turn to the page in my, in my Bible but I've already got it typed it in my notes I'm just going to read it from my notes save us a few seconds here for a child will be born for us a son will be given to us and the government will be on his shoulders, he will be named wonderful counselor Mighty God Eternal Father Prince of Peace. So according to the Prophecies of Isaiah God became known as a Eternal Father. The moment that Jesus was born and Jesus himself was that Eternal Father. Because he was God and so according to Isaiah this leads us to. Assume infer deduct that or is that induction or. Anyway we get to this conclusion that Isaiah believed God not to have a gender until Jesus was born. And then became this father figure this male figure, when Jesus was born so the question of is the god of the Bible the Hebrew the god of the Hebrews the god of Isaac Jacob Abraham Abraham Isaac and Jacob sorry I gotta say it the right way, is that God male or female We Now find ourselves having to split that in time. We have to talk about before the birth of Jesus what was the state of God and then after the birth of Jesus what was the state of God because as Biggs said. Jesus who is God was born male and then Jesus who was God, taught pray Our Father what is it to you if I say my. Go out and baptize in the name of the. Because from that point on yes absolutely God had this male identity this, Des gender identity, um and a lot of people like to say well God can never change its right there in the scriptures well that's obviously not true because he put on a skin suit, and became a human being and that's a pretty big change from being god of the universe, you know Big O god of the universe to being a little baby in a skin suit so obviously God can change and that verse that you're quoting about in God there is no shadow of turning, doesn't mean what you think it means it means something else and I encourage you to go back to that verse and find out, what does that verse mean then because obviously God can change otherwise, there wouldn't have been a Jesus in flesh because but going from God to flesh is a big change okay, um also when we're reading the teachings of Jesus we have to consider the fact that Jesus was teaching. To a society that was largely made up of fishermen. And Shepherds and people that worked in the fields and Farmers you know.

Who were all from a patriarchal society so, this idea of God as a father was was more than just you know Jesus was born as a man and and now that God is a father, has to fit into the culture of, about different spiritual Concepts they were all agricultural in nature not to say that we should all be farmers. But to say that that was the best way to teach to that audience. Now Phoenix asks and this is a great question. What about God is the same today yesterday and forever so how can you say that God changes. And I think. The verse that you are asking about is Hebrews 13:8. I hate it when I pass over Hebrews and then when trying to go back to it I can't and I think is my fat fingers Hebrews chapter 13 verse 8 newms can you tap that into the chapter for me Hebrews 13:8 it says, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. Right so if he uses the word forever to mean going forward for all time. Then why would he use words as such as yesterday and today and not. Always has been and today and always will be I've always read this verse to mean, that for them the Jesus of literally yesterday the day before today is the same Jesus as today is the same Jesus as always will be. That's not to mean that he never changed in the past that God never changed in the past but that the same Jesus you leaned on yesterday. Was available today and will always be  available it will always be. He says don't be led by a stray by strange teachings don't let people tell you what you can and can't eat.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:19] Yeah and and I think you know that that gets to be very. We're at 50 minutes in by the way.

 

Pastor Bill:

[44:32] Here comes the English language claim.

 

Pastor Newms:

[44:38] Think. The the aspect of of the English actually I'm not even going to say English the human understanding of. The almost did it billion I almost said of the trilogy instead of instead of and I told Bill I was going to accidentally say it because I said it, as a slip in our pre meeting and I was like I'm gonna try real hard not to do that and I still almost did, you know the human understanding of. Laughs Trinity in that that verse specifically doesn't say God doesn't change it specifically says. Jesus doesn't change so to me what I've always taken that to mean is. Jesus you know in the Old Testament when Jesus was taking a form and walking around it was Jesus when in the New Testament when Jesus was.

 

Pastor Bill:

[45:51] Without a physical body but without a physical body.

 

Pastor Newms:

[45:57] Right right just taking a walk when Jesus was there there when Jesus was forward forward. That's what I've always taken that to mean is the spirit of Jesus is always Jesus the, and yes you know they are three in one but it does get really hairy when you start, to break that down I think c.s. Lewis says it the best it's like a 2d drawing that you've drawn looking up at its creator and saying oh yeah I understand how that is because I understand what to D is, and I think we hit that same thing with situations like this because we know God changed.

His mind he, changed aspects of himself at certain points because of that you know he gave Grace when he wanted to, not he gay you know so things like that is how I've always looked at it.

 

Pastor Bill:

[47:14] Big says Biggs on Twitter says he is not on our timeline they can jump forward or backward I don't agree with that statement not that the Bible ever. Mentions God time traveling. Or any kind of time travel but when I look at the the whole of God's creation God put Creation in motion. Put time in motion and to vend violate that. And to interject here and then pull out and interject you know and and after after knowing and go back and change the way that you framed that seems like it would be a violation of his own laws. He controls time,

this once again we're getting off topic but but in that we are describing a god that is all powerful. But when we go and we read in Genesis,

we go through the steps of God giving up power over certain things and no longer having the authority to exercise that power, and time would theoretically fall under one of these things, that God gave up the authority over. And knowing the in from the beginning which is the big one that people grab ahold of for the time conversation does not mean the same thing as, time travel or being outside of time it's simply could be a reference to a being that is smart enough and, good enough at following through on what it looks like things are happening, to 100% of the time know how things are going to end up. Um Zaydiee says if we if God never chair ever or never not sure what she meant they're never or ever changed probably never, how then can we trust by only to the fact that he slashed they are the same yesterday past today and forever well for one, faith is, blind trust that's the very essence of what faith is and for to we have this verse in Hebrews telling us that Jesus won't change again and since he's God, that means God isn't going to change again but there was never any to my knowledge,

promise of God not being able to change he even decides, doesn't like the fact that he made mankind. That's that's the change sighs he wants to kill everyone with a flood but then we get back to the authority thing he has to go to Noah and say hey no here's my plan and Noah has to sign off on it.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:39] What is Malachi 3:6 say.

 

Pastor Bill:

[50:42] You off on your own Rabbit Trail over here.

 

Pastor Newms:

[50:54] That is God.

 

[51:00] What is the word for God.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:09] Which word for God because it's that all caps Lord when they're too nervous to actually write it down.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:15] It's it's done. What we read as Jehovah.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:24] The one who saves the self-existent.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:31] Yeah the self-existent Eternal Jewish National name of God.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:35] Because I the Lord have not changed in some instances say changed my mind.

 

Pastor Newms:

[51:43] And some of these say do not change have KJV says I change not nasby says do not change.

 

Pastor Bill:

[51:56] But see that can't be him saying he doesn't change ever or doesn't ever change his mind because he dead and then created the flood.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:05] And II and potentially. Yep potentially it gets fuzzy it's it's what do we Define as change.

 

Pastor Bill:

[52:17] Obviously can't given this because it's not everything it's not meant to be everything.

 

Pastor Newms:

[52:25] And and. You know I was reminded again in the Bible study I'm doing with the family the the teacher said again you know one of those words like, now what we're studying prophecy so because of that there's a couple different. Ways of looking at it and Scholars I follow two main Scholars and this one says what I'm teaching is the right way and the other one says that it's not, um and but neither one is a Salvation aspect and so we're just going to look at this one because it's what fits in my mind and I'm teaching and so it sort of looks like this isn't, salvation aspect it's good conversation it's good understanding. And as big said with prophecy him showing the future. Could could mean a lot of different things.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:32] So this is you've got a good point bags God showed Isaiah the future not just Isaiah though all of the books of the prophets God let them in on what the future was.

 

Pastor Newms:

[53:44] Isaiah Daniel John.

 

Pastor Bill:

[53:45] The Book of Revelations God let John in on what the future is going to look like but this isn't necessarily God. Opening some window and then looking through the window into actual events, could very well just be God going hey this is what I know let me paint a picture from my mind of what I know the future is going to look like, and either way you have to ask the question of why why would God do that, the simple answer is that we find in can't remember where it is if you want to look it up for me Newms where says don't don't think that the Lord is slow to return, but that God is tarrying so that as many people as possible can be safe. Well if that's God's modus operandi that he does things intending as many people as possible, then every time he showed someone the future it was because he was attempting to tilt the scales. To make that end as favorable as possible the end that he saw as favorable as possible so that as many people as possible could have salvation. Which which also would be the answer as to why did God plant that tree in the garden that that gave them the knowledge of Good and Evil.

 

Pastor Newms:

[55:26] So do you want to type this while I while I say it it's 2nd Peter 3:8, through 10 ish and it says dear friends don't overlook this one fact, with the Lord one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is like one day so this is that aspect and then the next verse is the Lord does not delay his promise as some understand delay but is patient with you not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance and then but the day of the Lord will come like a thief and on that day the heavens will pass away with a loud noise the elements will burn and be dissolved the Earth, and the works on it will be disclosed so or burnt up or you know depending on the translation.

 

Pastor Bill:

[56:18] This has been a very stimulating conversation and I love it and this is why we do the live thing do I would. To get back on topic for since we're literally at the end of the time when we normally end and give you these verses, that from me Old Testament that draw into question, this whole gender idea of God being having always been male which now you understand the confusing title because it's what fits,

and the reason I chose a white background for the art for this this podcast was because this 66 books that we have, is about equivalent to what's printed on that title bump, um just a white background with just a few words and it's a scripture reference that's about all we know about God this this all this about God that's in this 66 books collected into the scent ology. Is about just to drop in the bucket of what there is to know about God, so let's go through these these scriptures and I'll go ahead and make my notes available on the transcription as well so you guys can go through all of my notes it's not that much it's like 1500 words okay so. We're in a start with and type these in I am I'm going to.

 

Pastor Newms:

[57:50] Are you going to type them and you want me to type them.

 

Pastor Bill:

[57:52] Deuteronomy 32 18 in Deuteronomy 32 18 we see a feminine aspect of God displayed and I, there are lots of scriptures that paint one way or the other but I focus specifically on the ones where God is talking, or it says God delivered this specific message and then it was delivered specifically with the words that God used. Deuteronomy 32 18 you ignored the rock who gave you birth you forgot the God who gave birth to you, birth being a pretty strictly Genetically speaking female activity, second Samuel 7:14 I will be his father and he will be my son, when he does wrong I will discipline him with a rod of men and blows from Mortals so, some people believe that second Samuel 7:14 there are talking about, the Messiah to come but most theologians believe that second Samuel 714 or talking about King David that,

God is saying that he will be Kings David's father, and King David will be his son and most theologians believe this because then it says when he does wrong I will discipline him with the rod of men and Jesus is. Theologically known to have not done wrong as far as God is concerned we got Psalm 103 verse 13, as a father has compassion on his children so the Lord has compassion on those who fear Him,

here this is God speaking in a prophecy through David calling himself a father, Isaiah 66 verse 13, this is a feminine one as a mother Comforts her son so I will comfort you and you will be comforted in. Malachi 16 this is a masculine one, a son honors his father and his servant his master, but if I am a father where is my honor and if I am a master where is your fear of me says the Lord of armies to you priest who despise my name, yet you ask how have we despised your name Matthew and I try to stay away from ones in the New Testament but this one actually does apply, Matthew 23 verse 37 also recorded in Luke, 13:34 and the reason we're using it is because it's Jesus talking about, in the past in the time of the prophets he says Jerusalem Jerusalem who kills the prophets and Stones those who are sent to her how often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings but you were not willing. And then we've got three verses from the Old Testament that talk about this same concept about this motherly hen, Ruth 2:12, may the Lord reward you for what you have done and may you receive a full reward from the Lord God of Israel under whose wings you have come for Refuge now that's not specifically God talking that's roof talking but it's that same concept that Jesus brought up, so I thought it was a neat thing to throw in there we got some 17:8 this is David talking, I'm describing God in this feminine way protect me as the pupil of your eye hide me in the shadow of your wings and I went to the commentaries on this one to make sure that, David was actually talking about the same thing about the mother hen and it is believed that that's what David was talking about they're referring to God in a motherly. Psalm 91 4, this is an interesting one he will cover you with his feathers you will take refuge under his wings his faithfulness will be a protective shield and I went back to the the commentaries again, and they all agree that this verse is talking about a feminine aspect of God, and the only place you find these he's his and hymns are in the English translations in the Greek and Hebrew translations of this text those pronouns aren't there,

they added those pronouns to make the English sound more readable and then we've just. It's not for every verse that says he forgot but in this particular verse that's that's true, and then we have versus like I've clicked out of it. Tabbing thing Deuteronomy chapter 4, verses 15 through 16 where God says diligently watch yourselves because you did not see any form on the day the Lord spoke to you out of the fire at Horeb, so you don't act corruptly and make an idol for yourselves and the shape of any figure a male or female form, God saying when you saw me in the fire I wasn't male I wasn't female he goes on to say I wasn't any animal wasn't any form that you've seen before so don't make an idol of any of those ideas. And he doesn't say Graven image here because that's a completely different thing that's an actual physical Idol that you've made or carved this is this is an idea don't reshape God in your image just because you have a gender, doesn't mean God does just because you deal with animals doesn't mean God has a physical animal like what you deal with, and the one that, immediately Pops to my mind whenever this conversation comes up is numbers 23:19 and this one's pretty, in my opinion pretty conclusive it says God is not a man that he might lie or a son of man that he might change his mind. Does he speak in not act or promise and not fulfill and when we go back to the original language that this was written in, the word for man there is the word each, it is literally translated as a man as an individual or a male person, God is not a male that he might lie and then this or a son of man that is the word atom which is where we get the name atom which is translated as human being, God is not a male or even a human being he doesn't lie, and he doesn't in some places there they say need to ask for forgiveness instead of saying change his mind, he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness which kind of fits better with the original. Language of that phrase because we do know that God changes his mind we just talked about that God repented of having made Humanity so, yeah he pretty clearly changed his mind and then. When we look at sorry my phone is is trying to distract me.

 

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:02] Yeah your phone just yeah yep there.

 

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:04] Um when we look at Hosea chapter 11 verse 9 11 verse 9, I God says I will not vent the full Fury of my anger I will not turn back to destroy me for I am for I am God and not man, the Holy One among you I will not come in Rage and once again he uses the word each for I am God, and not a male the Holy One among you as if to say. I understand that you guys are living in a patriarchal society and that you've been done wrong by your leadership over and over and over again I'm not like that I'm gone, and so we go back to Juneau John 4:24 God is Spirit, and if we believe that a spirit is not like us no physical body know any of those things, then when God in Genesis one said let us make mankind which the word there is not eesh not mail but actually awdawm Mankind in our image according to our likeness, um and then so God created Mankind in his own image he created him in the image of God he created them male and female, we're not talking about physical attributes we're talking about spiritual, and so we'll wrap up right quick here's 80 had another question, why would God need to repent that implies imperfection and who does he repent to that doesn't make sense the word repent doesn't mean to ask for forgiveness the word repent means to turn around and take a different course and so God decided he. Wasn't happy with having made Humanity so he turned to make a different course and was gonna kill everybody off, a bat brain on Twitch says I feel like there's another instance of God's changing his mind because, someone asked him to on behalf of someone else but I can't remember who or what so what you're talking about is when God came to Abraham and let him in on the plan of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah and all the people in Sodom and Gomorrah, and Abraham said, well I'm not going to give permission if you find 50 righteous people and God says okay for 50 righteous people I won't do it okay well what about 10 God now I'm for 10 rides to people I won't do it what about, no for one righteous person I won't do it and who does he find. Zero righteous people but he does find Abraham's cousin lot and on behalf of Abraham. Saves lot his wife and their two daughters and we all know how that story goes not great. Um that story goes downhill right, and how do we know that a lot wasn't where I just well because God still killed destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and all the other cities in the valley which was somewhere between 7 and 12, whole kingdoms with Kings and whole populations wasn't, two cities Sodom and Gomorrah are just the words just the main two cities of trade that were remembered from the valley, if you go back in the story Abraham does you no business with all of these Kings they all live in that Valley the whole valley was destroyed, um And lot offers his daughters to the people of the city to have their way with instead of the Angels because even lot isn't righteous and then the wife looks back ignoring the command of, the angel I mean obviously not right I mean we're kind of playing a losing game here though Abraham should have known better because there is no one righteous no not, one it's only through faith that your made righteous and lot didn't have faith, and his wife didn't have faith and then they get in the mountains and. Lots of daughters clearly didn't have faith I mean and and people point to this story and go well this is why the Bible is messed up this stuff happened in the Bible and that's messed up if you think that's right that's messed up, no that's not that's one of those cautionary tales of don't be like this that's not the Bible saying this is righteous, um that's that's a cautionary tale I don't the Bible has cautionary tales it's just done. If you have any more questions anybody, if you have questions you can go to our website ekk.house and find an email address that you can send those questions too and that goes straight to me I literally run all of the churches everything, um so you're not going to be dealing with another person your brother we're going to be talking straight to me if you send us a message or you call and leave a message I get a transcript of the voicemail messages, um that get left on our voicemail to my email so you're once again you'll just be believing me on email. And so like we said in the beginning we would like it for everyone to join us live, here either on Facebook Twitter or YouTube you can find out which of those channels we are on when you come to ekk.house, and this podcast comes out every Wednesday evening at 7 p.m. Central Standard, time or is it central daylight time now that we've switched. Or is this standard in the others to I think this is standard in the others daylight sensor Standard Time and so you can pick pitch that anywhere that you get, podcasts and we are glad that you were able to join us and if this helped you have resources to study out this concept of who was the god of the, You Know spoken of in the Old Testament the god of the Hebrews the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob was that a male or female or none of the above which I, probably prefer to call they them if I'm referring to the god of the Old Testament obviously the god of now, we would refer to as mail because Jesus was born as a male and then ascended and sits at the right hand of what we now call the father, sits at the right hand of himself some of this is hard to describe because we're trying to describe spiritual things. With physical words and that's the whole issue in a nutshell once again the whole point was, to study so that you know how to appropriately talk, to those around you who you honestly don't want to offend you honestly want to be their friend you honestly want to be a part of their life and at the same time not betray your face. Right that's what Paul taught us were Christians when I was shamed to be Christians but we're not gonna. We're not going to attack people and hit them over the head with this this is for us and we're gonna love people and when they ask. If they ask then we're going to share and until then we're going to love I like. One of the videos I've seen recently I'm take talk where was talking about these Baptist preachers went on a missions trip to Mexico and when they got there the main guide told them not to share the. To work in the camps to help build the churches to help feed the people but not to share the. And they you know all these Baptist preachers freaked out well why are we even here then why did we waste our time come and he said you're here. Be the hands and feet of Christ not to challenge the worldview of people who you don't even know and don't know you. But that sink in we want to be the hands and feet of Christ not the out there trying to change the world view. People who don't even know who we are but I may be paraphrasing what he said but that was the message that came across in the video so. Alright so I've invited you to come join us live I've told you when the podcast comes, told you what our website is I've told you to get a hold of me and so now. We love you guys this really is a labor of love and I hope you have a great week.

 

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe out there.

 

Pastor Bill:

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