S3EP54 - Slavery

Pastor Bill:
[0:05] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 54 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined with Pastor Newms, we're having a little bit of live issues this evening so if that keeps up then basically what we'll do is, I will record the video and then we can push the video out for you guys to watch if you are more of a visual person and then the audio recordings are separate from what goes out live and then so that will come out on Wednesday night without any problem. So tonight we are talking about an interesting topic that I don't want to talk about, Newms doesn't want to talk about, but we don't really pick the topics. I pray and I listen to what I think God wants us to talk about and I try to keep my ears open to hear what God wants us to be discussing. And so tonight we are talking about, for those programs that are more sensitive - hominid ownership. For those that aren't, basically we're talking about slavery. And I know there's there's a lot of contention over historical slavery and what the Bible... What The Narrative of the Bible is in relation to slavery, and a lot of people saying the Bible endorses slavery and is okay with slavery and that means God's okay with slavery, and on and on and on and and all of these issues. And our scripture for the night has nothing to do with the overall general theme of slavery, but has to do with one issue of slavery that we will discuss as part of what we're talking about tonight and so it's Proverbs 22:7, “The rich rule over the poor and the borrower is a slave to the lender,” and so that's more talking about the indentured servanthood part of slavery that we see a lot of expressed in the Bible. But then also we see the hardcore slavery in the Bible as well we see, um Moses will say things like, go and raze the city r a z e the city and enslave you know all of the young women and kill all the men and and blah blah blah, and so the Jewish people were definitely taking slaves, and we see that the Israelites themselves were living in slavery in Egypt for. How many hundreds of years was it? 300? 500? Hundreds of years they were in slavery in Egypt before before they were delivered from Egypt. And we see in the New Testament where it talks about you know we're no longer slaves to sin and so slavery is this this topic that's woven throughout the whole Bible and, and so there's there's there's stuff there to talk about but there's also a lot of Mine Fields and so I thought, we should... you know what.. we should warm up before we keep going but Newms is brain is like. Newms is laser focused on trying to figure out what's going on.

Pastor Newms:
[4:27] I'm trying not to be. I'm listening and you haven't said anything that needs my input yet.

Pastor Bill:
[4:35] But we can't warm up if your laser.

Pastor Newms:
[4:37] I am no no I'm I'm completely here. Trust me, I've been more laser focused on other things in the past times when I might or might not have been running dungeons during this broadcast so I mean this isn't that big of a deal it's just something's really really really wrong and, yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[5:02] There's nothing we can do about it we just have to record it and then we can push it out.

Pastor Newms:
[5:06] But we can't upload it in the same way it doesn't work that way on certain of the channels it doesn't do the same thing so.

Pastor Bill:
[5:26] Okay so how was your week.

Pastor Newms:
[5:30] Week was pretty good. I had a lot of work this week, was one of my weeks where I have meetings with the execs and so It was, you know, busy because of that but overall it was pretty good. Pretty standard week nothing too spectacular I didn't do anything crazy I did okay so I guess this is a little crazy, I started making bread again which I haven't made bread in said excuse me several several years. And decided this past week to give it a shot again to start trying to make. Bread and so that was good. It turned out pretty well I think so that was fun. Aside from that that's kind of kind of all I did this week. And the problem is is the people that are trying to watch have no idea what's going on because they can't get full sentences from us because we're dropping two-thirds of our stuff so that's why everyone keeps saying things because they, we're literally dropping 66 percent of our of our frames.

Pastor Bill:
[7:26] All right so how was your week Pastor Bill. Well my week was interesting I don't remember if we talked about it last week about my car the car breaking down.

Pastor Newms:
[7:37] I don't remember if we did or not.

Pastor Bill:
[7:41] So the Acura broke down, not this Thursday we just had, but the Thursday before that the the Acura broke down, and that's not awesome because that's our one family car and I worked on it worked on it worked on it couldn’t figure out what was wrong with it it's now sitting at a shop. Now I'm getting an alert from teams that my network quality is poor on what I'm sending to you.

Pastor Newms:
[8:22] It might actually be a Restream issue, I'm hearing there's actually eight reports of Restream issues in the last 10 minutes on Down Detector so there's a chance that it's actually not on our end. But yeah Sunday night's here we go.

Pastor Bill:
[8:46] Yeah so then we try to get a rental car and that was a no-go Uber apparently over books. For what rental cars they have like we drove to Richardson the closest Uber rental place to pick up the car that we had, reserved and received confirmation for only to find out that they had reserved and sent confirmation to 35 different people for the one car that they had available for the service. And since it's an hour and a half drive we obviously weren't the first people to show up because you know we're not insane we don't hate ourselves we're not going to get up at 6 a.m. to drive to Richardson I guess if we really really really wanted the car we could, um so that's all through but then we found a car to buy so now we have a car that we can drive a 2012 Chevy Traverse so and then once we get our Acura fixed, then we'll have two cars one car for the, Lyft and Uber that Bat-Brains A Bat Brain has been doing and then we'll use the Chevy Traverse as a family vehicle so well actually have two vehicles and be able to do all the things that, a family with two vehicles can do, which will be nice. So that was pretty much my week not a lot of normalcy and a lot of getting up and moving around which my body really doesn't like and so yeah that was my week. So alright let's time for work getting to know the pastor's it's your turn.

Pastor Newms:
[10:39] Is my turn yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[10:41] And I just want to preface this by saying Paster Newms, I know that you love my mother with all of your heart.

Pastor Newms:
[10:51] I do.

Pastor Bill:
[10:53] And she's a she's a wonderful woman and I have to let you know she does watch these videos, not live she watches him afterwards. Specifically so that she can fast-forward past getting to know the pastor's, and skips everything up until we're done with getting to know the pastor's, so that she can just get into what's going on and I thought I'd let you know that you guys are sympatico there.

Pastor Newms:
[11:27] It's a terrible terrible.

Pastor Bill:
[11:31] A terrible bit.

Pastor Newms:
[11:32] It's a terrible bit that I don't like but it is what it is casual like a lot of things in life.

Pastor Bill:
[11:41] Is vanities.

Pastor Newms:
[11:43] Surprising and yes the issue is on Restream because my internet connection is currently at 1 gig up and and.

Pastor Bill:
[11:51] Oh my gosh we don't need to keep talking about it.

Pastor Newms:
[11:54] You know we really do cuz it's all I'm going to be able to think about because. You know it's it's in and out in and out in and out so yeah kind of Okay so if you could have 50 pounds of anything other than money what would you want.

Pastor Bill:
[12:23] And I can do anything with this 50 pounds that I want and it can come from where I specify.

Pastor Newms:
[12:32] Fifty pounds of anything what do you want.

Pastor Bill:
[12:36] So I'm going to take 50 pounds of this belly fat and and remove it from my belly and throw it away.

Pastor Newms:
[12:45] Now it didn't say you could do so safely so now you are dead congratulations.

Pastor Bill:
[12:51] I've always had this stinkin belly always always it's always it's not you know it gets bigger proportionate to how old I am but I've always had this belly sticking out in front of me regardless. My whole life I've had this but you know a belly sticking out the older I get the bigger the belly yet but it's always been, you know like I'll meet people and and I'll be like oh wow you know eventually the top will come up I weigh this much and they're like you know, seen your face and and seen you from behind you don't look like you'd weigh that much but then I see the belly and I'm like yeah I do, I don't know how I get graced with such voluptuous. Spare tire here but here it is.

Pastor Newms:
[13:39] The love shoe is spare tire so.

Pastor Bill:
[13:44] Earlier earlier I called myself a dish a full rack of ribs.

Pastor Newms:
[13:52] All right 50 pounds of anything I'd have to say no that's not where your brain is going no that's not what we're going to say. Let's just go easy I want 50 pounds of gold.

Pastor Bill:
[14:10] Gold. What are you going to do with 50 pounds of gold?

Pastor Newms:
[14:11] Of solid gold well I'm going to sell it.

Pastor Bill:
[14:18] So like a brick how much does a brick of gold weigh.

Pastor Newms:
[14:21] 50 lb depends on the size of the brick I'm assuming.

Pastor Bill:
[14:28] No, there's a standard brick size.

Pastor Newms:
[14:31] So is there a standard gold brick. 40 troy ounces or 27 pounds no I get a brick and a little more because it's 27.4 pounds.

Pastor Bill:
[14:49] 40 troy ounces which is 400 regular ounces 27.4 pounds and, maybe not currently but that is valued at about 750,000 u.s. dollars and for those of you listening abroad that's about 11.33 kilograms.

Pastor Newms:
[15:14] So I'll take I'll take I'll take the one in three four nine tenths or whatever that would be blocks of gold and.

Pastor Bill:
[15:25] See you on bricks bars strips and slips of just gold not gold pressed latinum just.

Pastor Newms:
[15:34] Well gold-pressed latinum doesn't work, fictional Universe what I love what I love I was I was watching something I was on YouTube, and it was like how much is a piece of latinum like a gold-pressed latinum, yeah how much is a slip worth how much is a bar worth how in modern. And what they found is they can't answer it and looking through the show, um they specifically we're looking at DS9 but they couldn't figure out what it's actually worth because nothing that they use gold-pressed latinum from, is a valid thing in today's society that you could compare it to, cases of root beer, but they couldn't truly even score that due to the fact of since it was original bottled root beer not replicated, and it had to be shipped across the Galaxy they can't even, like equate that because what is shipping cost in modern so they couldn't. The person who was doing the video was like we don't we don't know.

Pastor Bill:
[17:10] So I can actually narrow that down some some more for you there the gold and the gold pressed latinum is worthless, it's literally just worthless because it's they can get anywhere in the universe the actual latinum that's inside of it is a liquid. Um there are slips strips. I'm missing one.

Pastor Newms:
[17:39] I think it was just slips trips and bars.

Pastor Bill:
[17:42] Sub strips bars bricks and. Anyway the smallest unit the slip if you take a medicine dropper you know like 44 liquid that has one drop. Of liquid latinum inside of it the slip right okay for, ha ha of land on beige or. Is worth five bars.

Pastor Newms:
[18:22] Yes yes.

Pastor Bill:
[18:23] Of gold-pressed latinum that is what is that 100 Acre 10 10 acres per hectacre or is it 100 acres per.

Pastor Newms:
[18:34] The person that I was watching said it's not a real measurement that's used in the show when they talk about the land on beige or.

Pastor Bill:
[18:46] Don't they use ha.

Pastor Newms:
[18:47] It's some other measurements.

Pastor Bill:
[18:51] Okay that does confuse things a bit more than.

Pastor Newms:
[18:54] That's why they were like there's nothing we can and they're like even if we could figure out how much the land would be worth there's a big difference between Landon rural Texas and Landon rule.

Pastor Bill:
[19:08] Tennessee yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[19:11] So you can't really.

Pastor Bill:
[19:13] Now there is the one episode where. Morn is involved it's a more heavy episode actually more side in the episode but it's a morn episode. Get that through your head and there's the issue of gold bricks, um that were stolen from the royal family of some planet and I'm trying to dance around the details so I don't spoil it too much for you for when we get there we'll because we're watching through DS9.

Pastor Newms:
[19:49] Cuz I've never finished it.

Pastor Bill:
[19:52] So basically the long and short of it is they finally find the stolen goods. Except someone has drained all the latinum from them, and basically it was enough value that cork was like I can retire from the bar I can buy the moon I've always wanted heck I can buy multiple moons I never need to work again, and it's just this little container that's like smaller than a smart car, and that cork is in it and he's like breaking open the bricks of gold just and their powdering away and he's crying and and just that pile of.

Pastor Newms:
[20:38] Goodbye Moon.

Pastor Bill:
[20:39] Goodbye multiple moons.

Pastor Newms:
[20:41] Nice it is interesting when you when you take a show like that and they just inflate something and then almost purposely make it to where you can never know what it actually means.

Pastor Bill:
[20:55] And it doesn't help that you know in that Universe the main society were following, has basically given up monetary anything they don't live in a monetary system anymore it's all a, socialistic communism that is democratically-elected like their Democratic Socialist stick communism, um if you blend it all the best parts of,
all of that together.

Pastor Newms:
[21:24] That's what's fun about a fictional universe is you can do that.

Pastor Bill:
[21:27] You can do that in a fixture universe and set an example for the real-world look at and aspire to, um which is not what Gene Roddenberry intended but is where the producers of the show went when mr. Roddenberry died.

Pastor Newms:
[21:44] Now he meant it.

Pastor Bill:
[21:46] Let's make something for people to Aspire to.

Pastor Newms:
[21:48] He was a known communist that's all I'm saying.

Pastor Bill:
[21:50] No he will but he wasn't interested in giving something good to Aspire to he was interested in shoving down your throat why capitalism doesn't work, and why we should be communist that was that was Roddenberry's thing but then after Roddenberry yeah. Okay I think we're sufficiently warmed up what do you think.

Pastor Newms:
[22:11] I think I want to keep talking about Star Trek and not the actual topic.

Pastor Bill:
[22:15] And not the actual topic to the topic tonight is it.

Pastor Newms:
[22:17] We could shift to the Kardashians and then get to the topic.

Pastor Bill:
[22:21] We really good if you missed it so far we're talking about slavery okay and so the way we're going to start this conversation about slavery Pastor Newms. I'm going to take two minutes. And give a comprehensive defense on the merits and value of slavery.

Pastor Newms:
[22:53] Why no we do.

Pastor Bill:
[22:54] Okay because we need to here we go and go.

Pastor Newms:
[23:03] I'm not going to sit here in silence for two minutes because there's nothing good about it if that's where the joke comes in you're really just going to she's going to sit there for two minutes y'all two minutes of dead air while I have to talk, because he's talking about what's good about slavery which is not I have do not have him you did, for those in radio land he's just quietly sitting there because there are no good merits, and he knows that I have to talk if he's not going to because we can't have dead air on a podcast for 2 minutes. And so he's continuing to look at the camera, I hope he adjusted his beard slightly and nodded but there is there is nothing being talked about because there is nothing good. I think that's two minutes cuz that's not how time works no okay okay. Doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo are you really going to wait the full two minutes okay we're going to wait the full two minutes okay. And now we are playing with a candle which is not to say that candles are the good parts of.

Pastor Bill:
[24:58] Okay so there you go that is a comprehensive list of all the value and merits of slavery okay slavery is bad. There is no need to debate, the value of slavery or whether it was ever right or whether it was ever good or there's this happened in the Bible that happened in the Bible, slavery bad, now we can go back and we can look at the Bible and we can talk about well this happened and this happened and that happened. But if this is your first time with the Berean Manifesto then you're gonna need to know that when we look back at things that happened in the Old Testament we don't take them out of context, we leave them in their context and we go okay that happened, at that time to those people is that a moral statement on how we should live today. And most likely, most likely the answer is not going to be yes because we're not them and we're not living in a, Warfare ridden Society where it's our city has to fight against your city or our City's going to be destroyed and your city is going to take us as slaves, that we don't live that life we are not those people, we can't look at their situation through the lens of our situation and say well that's an endorsement of slavery from the Bible, because it's not that's that's not how the Bible works newms and I were talking earlier about, um in reference to well why doesn't the Bible can dim slavery why doesn't say slavery is bad. And in some ways it talks about slavery being bad it talks about you know the borrower is a slave to the lender in, in the New Testament it talks about you know you were slaves to sin and Jesus came to set you free it is for Freedom that Christ set you free, and the New Testament talks about you know touches on especially Peter the writings of Peter if you become a Believer while you are a slave, then just trust God and continue living the life that you're in okay, and it's the issue is not honestly it's not whether or not the Bible does or doesn't endorse slavery it's that what the Bible he's doing is missed okay the Bible does not exist and we touched on this in a different concept last week, the Bible does not exist necessarily to challenge your cultural worldview. It exists to bring you the gospel and the basics of what you need to know to understand what salvation is, it does not exist to tell your culture. How to live or to change the world view of your culture that's not what the Bible is for, if you want to weaponize the Bible and try to get people to adhere to your culture because of what the Bible says, then you're using it wrong, the Bible should not be a weapon the Bible should not be an idol the Bible should not be a dust Gathering might eaten piece of nothing that's sitting on your shelf, you know you got to use it you gotta use it appropriately you gotta use it in context right and so, when we talk about slavery and we talk about the kinds of slavery that are mentioned in the Bible yes there's the absolute reprehensible you captured someone they are your slave you are treating them poorly like the Egyptians did you the Israelites like the Israelites did to foreigners from time to time and then you've got another type of slavery which is indentured servant Hood, Venture that servant is that the right word.

Pastor Newms:
[29:49] Indentured servant is the.

Pastor Bill:
[29:51] Serve servitude indentured servitude not serve it as in servanthood but it's service servitude.

Pastor Newms:
[29:57] Oh I heard.

Pastor Bill:
[29:59] Indentured servitude and basically what indentured servitude is is you have this debt that you can't pay,
and so you go and you borrow money from this lender to pay the debt except you have nothing to give the lender, and so since you don't have a job you don't have money you don't have any way to make money you then become an unpaid employee, of this person you live in their household you do what they tell you to do for a certain amount of time in order to pay off the debt you owe to them because of the money that you borrowed,
indentured servitude. And when Proverbs 22:7 says the rich rule over the poor and the borrower is a slave to the lender, this is specifically what this is talking about indentured servitude and we still have this today, um and thankfully for the Constitution United States of America and then lots of countries following suit, we no longer have debtors prisons, debtors prisons were I go to Wells Fargo when I'll borrow some money if I can't make my monthly payments then I could take you to jail until someone makes my monthly payments for me. That's debtors prison and there's a parable in Matthew, I didn't write down the reference a parable in Matthew where Jesus is talking about a man who owed a debt to the king, and the king called in the debt and the man couldn't pay it and so the king said Okay I want I want you guys to sell this man sell his wife and sell his children, into slavery so I can get my money and the man was like no no please have mercy on me please have mercy me in the king said okay, you go on you go ahead and figure out a way to get me the money and the man went to someone who owed him money and had the man thrown into prison because he couldn't pay him, where the where he would be then be tortured until someone could pay his debt this is debtors prison this is an idea that people have had for a long long long long time, but we basically live in the same institutionalized, indentured servant hood that servitude that the Bible uses the word slavery for. Not saying there's not the bad kind of slavery in the Bible we already acknowledged that and this kind of slavery is bad too, but it still happens people still willingly become an indentured servant, of some conglomerate to provide money for their lives now, we in the capitalist system we have what is basically soft slavery, where your boss says you got to come and give me this amount of hours and I will give you a certain amount of money and trade, this is a type of slavery this is a soft, slavery any contract that you enter into with another person that isn't 100% mutually beneficial and 100%, agreed upon on every term and doesn't lift and encourage and edify both parties lives, is a form of soft slavery. So if you're working.

Pastor Newms:
[33:46] I prefer the term wage slavery then soft slavery.

Pastor Bill:
[33:50] Wage slavery Works to I've never heard anybody call it wage slavery before but okay.

Pastor Newms:
[33:56] It's actually the common term being used Now by social lists interesting.

Pastor Bill:
[34:01] Never heard it before yes they should work harder and getting their social lists public published so I can read them. Because I never heard that term before okay um and then we have. Deeper and darker versions of soft slavery. Um for instance the contracts that actors signed to be in Marvel movies. You can only say this list of things, you cannot say this list of things you can only eat this these things you can only go to these places you must be here here and here when I say that you must be here and here and here, you must weigh this amount of this amount for every way in regardless and even if we do surprise weigh-ins you better not be announced over,
you have to do this you can't do that you had all on and on and on these Marvel contracts are, tantamount to slavery that these people are somehow.

Pastor Newms:
[35:11] Disney's even worse I think for their child actors.

Pastor Bill:
[35:14] Yes Disney with a child actress K-pop K-pop has long had a history of it's just straight slavery, it's not if we're not even play like these Studio these people sign away their lives to be a Slave, for however long the country just 7 years 10 years so that when the contracts over the hope is they'll have made a name for themselves and then can have a, a career in the industry.

Pastor Newms:
[35:43] Yep a lot of music is like that sadly even in America.

Pastor Bill:
[35:46] So we we still have slavery that we look at and go oh yeah it's just the way things are done. Absolutely I don't know how I got back off the topic but we had we were talking earlier about divorce you and I and. In relation to things the Bible says that God is not necessarily for but then tells you how to.

Pastor Newms:
[36:15] I forgot that conversation.

Pastor Bill:
[36:17] So we were talking about divorce because the Bible that God doesn't specifically say in the Bible I'm anti-slavery don't own another human being. Um but he does it is stated that God is against divorce and yet because,
the people in the cultures that God met with, to give the law to in to give the word to and all this stuff because they had hard hearts and were a stubborn people that wanted divorce even though it wasn't something got approved of. He allowed it. And even gave them you know. Stipulations on if you're gonna then at least do it this way you know, and so it's God is against if you know and so nobody looks at the Bible and goes well God endorses divorce, because he told them how to do divorces everybody looks to the bottom and goes yeah Gods against divorce it's messy it's wrong it's bad, and yeah he told them here's how you minimize the damage of divorce if you do it this way, it's going to be better it's not going to be great, right but then you got people look in the Bible and going got endorse his divorce got sorry got invoices endorses slavery because dedicated uh or God endorses abortion because, there was this this one thing about women if a man thinks his wife is cheating on him then he should go and do this thing. Let's just not have a Bible works.

Pastor Newms:
[38:03] Yeah and the Bible says things like you know all men are created in God's image you know men humankind, in God's image you know it talks about how in the can Revelation it talks about, every tribe Every Nation we're all in heaven together you know things like that so it's evident by. Guessing and you know assumptions that you know God views all humans as valid and I think.

Pastor Bill:
[38:42] Well now you're touching on Rachel slavery witch isn't even mentioned the Bible at all there's not one example of racial slavery anywhere in the Bible.

Pastor Newms:
[38:53] Well I don't mean even racial slavery it when all tribes are doing something because a lot of it was classist.

Pastor Bill:
[38:59] Okay well it's just where my brain went when you said you know we're all the same we're all good my mind automatically equates that to ya all races are the same we're all equal we're all.

Pastor Newms:
[39:11] Even even a lot of a lot of the older versions of slavery were not racial slavery they were, class slavery like what you're talking about in certain cultures there's a caste system.

Pastor Bill:
[39:30] I just I just want.

Pastor Newms:
[39:31] You know things like that.

Pastor Bill:
[39:32] Tack on to what I'm saying there when I think about race I've it's like it's like um.

[39:42] It's not.

Pastor Newms:
[39:46] Don't ask me I don't know what you're talking about.

Pastor Bill:
[39:49] What are those frozen treats that are nice cream but they're frozen and you eat them popsicles, it's like popsicles popsicles come in different colors and flavors but they all the same thing and they're all delicious.

Pastor Newms:
[40:06] No that's not true I'm sorry.

Pastor Bill:
[40:07] Races races the same way we come in different colors and we come in different flavors.

Pastor Newms:
[40:12] Behind that no because the Tangerine there's no reason to have Tangerine popsicles I'm sorry like I can't agree with you.

Pastor Bill:
[40:19] Well that's just your color if flavor wrist opinion you flavor rest but they're all they're all pops.

Pastor Newms:
[40:25] I agree and at some point in the last 15 minutes the stream fixed itself so it had to be restream because we didn't do anything.

Pastor Bill:
[40:36] So welcome we're talking about Popsicles tonight.

Pastor Newms:
[40:39] I just looked I just looked at the screen and I look down and it's green and, are dropped frames are dropping we're down at like 50 something percent and so at some point it fixed itself I don't know when but.

Pastor Bill:
[40:58] The people are researching went oh crap we gotta fix our stuff man.

Pastor Newms:
[41:02] Yeah it's probably what it was, or twitch just wasn't sure we were going with the slavery topic so they didn't want us to actually post it yet no like okay now they're not going the right we thought okay cool just let the stream go through.

Pastor Bill:
[41:18] Slavery bad slavery bad. People good. We love people. I like saying.

Pastor Newms:
[41:28] I understand.

Pastor Bill:
[41:33] Biggs says slave popsicle. See one popsicle can't enslave the other popsicle there popsicles are all equal.

Pastor Newms:
[41:45] What about the Popsicles that are stuck together and then you have to break them apart is that breaking up a marriage.

Pastor Bill:
[41:50] Those are married and you've instituted a divorce you evil being.

Pastor Newms:
[41:53] Oh that's just rude I'm sorry. All right yeah so I mean that's that's that's that's all I wanted to say.

Pastor Bill:
[42:19] Try Jesus don't try me.

Pastor Newms:
[42:25] So that's one of my favorite songs and it's all about ignoring a Biblical principle which is don't beat people up but at a point of it it says.

Pastor Bill:
[42:37] Lay hands upon them swiftly.

Pastor Newms:
[42:39] Yeah the there's a, there's a there's a part in it that says I know what the Bible says about getting slapped but that part of the Bible just don't sit right with me, try Jesus not me and we had a we had a friend in our game that we play, who some stuff happened and he did something he shouldn't have done and he's apologizing about it and I was like nah nah nah it's been this kind of week we going to kill him anyway, even though you were in the wrong to begin with because you're one of us, and they put your their hands on you so I'm going to go put my hands on them and, needless to say I was not the good example and actually said please do not tell feet which is Bill's name in the game that I am saying this because he will get onto me later, but, let's do it and then I posted that song could go see Jesus I'm will kill your ship I'ma blow I'm gonna blow your boat, but um.

Pastor Bill:
[43:52] I remember wondering that war with Q over their leader doing what he did with the homophobic slurs and all that, and they were like you're a Christian you're being a hypocrite what about what would Jesus do, and I and I said well he given his history he's likely to make a weapon. And beat you with it and that's the Jesus you're getting out of me right now.

Pastor Newms:
[44:22] Yeah I was not a strong suit day for you you are a little upset that day.

Pastor Bill:
[44:28] That day that two weeks I was very upset.

Pastor Newms:
[44:31] Well he said things that were inappropriate and not just he insulted women. People I mean it was a whole it was a whole thing like anyway um and that's one of the things we have to do as Christians is stand up for, people and treat them how Jesus would treat them which sometimes is taking their offenses and, defending them now in a video.

Pastor Bill:
[45:01] If you think.

Pastor Newms:
[45:02] And people up is easy.

Pastor Bill:
[45:04] That's social justice and Christianity are incompatible then I think you misunderstand both. Because Christianity is heavily rooted in social justice and you cannot turn a blind eye to this to to the struggles of your brother. And say that you love God at the same time that's not Christianity.

Pastor Newms:
[45:41] And and that's a huge thing in talking about slavery standing up for those that are, oppressed, still you know your people who are stuck in the darkest forms of slavery that are current in today's society of owning humans and trafficking them and such, we have to stand up against that, and you can't turn a blind eye to it we were talking the other day about something and someone brought up you know do you know how many Indians Native Americans disappear every year off of reservations, and no one ever hears from them and you know, it's one of those things where it's like sadly and it's ridiculous and, you know we have to stand against those kinds of things and help where we can.

Pastor Bill:
[46:44] You know when the government set up reservations, and said we're going to gift you this land the bulk of Native American people from what I've, been taught and read and heard we're on board cool we can govern ourselves we can look after our own stuff that it. It was it was just another example of a really really bad idea,
because instead of embracing people, and using their knowledge and and elevating them to places of leadership and learning from their wisdom and incorporating them into our culture and, you know helping look after these people we created these little islands of. Not quite self-sustaining cultures that now. They deal with these issues of like you said people going missing and nobody getting a chance to hear about it somebody was taking pictures of what they pay in the grocery store for things like ketchup, it was like six bucks for just a regular jar of ketchup and and on and on and on I all these really heavily inflated prices because, everything has to be imported or exported from their reservation because they're not considered part of u.s. territory. And so they've they're literally there's this choke hold, on these reservations in the people that are living there and and if you if you live near that and you think that's not your problem and you're a Christian then. You need to think again, did there's this is just as there's things that are not right and when we say things like well if only the government would love to church do its job, that's that's deflecting only say That's supposed to be the church's job. Your church is it getting involved that's deflecting the things that are supposed to be the church's job. It's supposed to be the church is job I am the church you are the church. Every Christian every believer makes up the church things that are supposed to be the church's job that's you and I as Believers responsibility. You and I are supposed to be leading programs to feed the poor, take care of widows and orphans to look out for the underprivileged the disenfranchised the prisoner, the slave I mean literally go read what Jesus said where were you when I was hungry, when I was thirsty when I was poor and naked when I was in prison and sick where were you. Because it is your responsibility and is my responsibility. And when we talk about things like slavery and we automatically think physical slavery. We haven't missed the point. But we need to expand what we're thinking about because there are people that are spiritually in slavery, to alcoholism drugs sex addiction poverty it's all around us. And it's our job as individuals that make up the church. To bring the good news to people that are enslaved to the darkness not with the attempt to change their world view. It's not our job to stand on the street corner and revolutionize the way someone sees the world. It's our job to bring the cold a blanket and show them that they are loved and that they do have value. That is the beginning of the Gospel words come later worldview comes later. That's all I have to say about slavery had no idea where that was going to go tonight but I think I think we finally caught a a stream of Direction there. 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Pastor Newms:
Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:
And Until next time...

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