S3EP62 - At The Well

Pastor Bill:
[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 62 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms the ever wonderful bearded one who wears beanies or hats most of the time I see you still have your tree up back there but it doesn't have any light.
 
Pastor Newms:
[0:31] It's actually pretty lit but we're not going to talk about that we took the balls off. Christmas tree is still up yeah I mean there's part of me that's like it's a black Christmas tree do I really take it down. You know I joked about in the past I had a tall skinny one that wasn't a real tree it was one of those that just like Circle down and looked all funny I talked about leaving that one up all year round. But now we've lost it somewhere in our garage which is crazy because our garage is not that big but I'm not sure how we lost it. Hello Phoenix.
 
Pastor Bill:
[1:34] So if you're listening to this podcast and you're new to The Berean Manifesto, we record live every Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time or at least when life doesn’t throw us curveballs and sometimes we don't record but when we release new episodes they are recorded live ahead. So we recorded this one but we do it with a live audience or we invite a live audience we have some regulars that join us. Biggs, thank you for being here. Phoenix, thank you for being here. Perhaps Groggy will come in later. He comes in from time to time to say hello and basically what we want to do is Foster an environment where there can be interaction. You don't have to interact if you don't want to. Chime in and say anything but if you wanted to then you could catch this live on Twitch YouTube. Like I said on Sunday nights where we go live and then you can just participate in the chat you know with your little keyboard or on your phone and be a part of the conversation that's going on sometimes we get off of topic but we've always. Like tonight's episode is called at the well and so we're gonna try to stay on topic in steer into that as much as possible but don't know, sometimes sometimes we go different directions so yeah how was your week Pastor Newms.
 
Pastor Newms:
[3:15] Our work is pretty good work is real busy right now it's a little crazy, my girls ended up sick this week so that was fun they were home for multiple days we've got. Streaming we did throughout the week streaming Borderlands and we did we're still at war in Star Trek so you know just a little bit of everything.
 
Pastor Bill:
[3:51] My week was good yeah I did some art for our streaming stuff. That was fun it was good to get back into Photoshop and illustrator and get some stuff done in there and.
 
Pastor Newms:
[4:10] Make our titles prettier and our.
 
Pastor Bill:
[4:14] Yeah we can't use the same little characters though because yours is all like.
 
Pastor Newms:
[4:20] Yeah like I don't normally look on every Sunday just say.
 
Pastor Bill:
[4:22] Only after I only have two eyes.
 
Pastor Newms:
[4:25] I almost I almost switched I almost switched just mine I didn't tell you.
 
Pastor Bill:
[4:34] I know that I wouldn't see it because what you send me has your title.
 
Pastor Newms:
[4:38] You would but it would be it would be funny because I could get out it would just be like wait did you change mine know why cause you're just the wrong size mines the correct size.
 
Pastor Bill:
[4:50] No oh yeah it is because of.
 
Pastor Newms:
[4:56] We only see part of the word Pastor if we use the same one. Well I could just shrink it but my name would be like twice your size even though our pictures are different so but yes.
 
Pastor Bill:
[5:12] All right so that was my week my work is great. I really have anything else to share about my week. Did a couple airport runs that was fun a regular customer that calls me for Uber rides and then my aunt was going out of town, so I needed to airport runs this week and then my wife had an airport run for my cousin on Friday evening so buddy airport runs this week going on three is a bunch. Sure all right well without further.
 
Pastor Newms:
[5:53] More times than I went to the airport this week.
 
Pastor Bill:
[5:55] It is time for Getting To Know The Pastors and this week it is a card from Pastor Newms from his pack that his wife and sister bought him, some event I can't remember what it was Biggs on Twitch asks if it was Love Field or Dallas-Fort Worth Airport and all three trips were Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. Why is that sad?
 
Pastor Newms:
[6:26] Huh.
 
Pastor Bill:
[6:28] Totally like 20 minutes difference and the Dallas when you got to get into Dallas traffic and little.
 
Pastor Newms:
[6:35] You really do all right you ready.
 
Pastor Bill:
[6:40] Or I should I should say the Love Field one you have to get into Dallas traffic.
 
Pastor Newms:
[6:46] We're going to end up pulling another card probably but maybe not, “If you could hear a speech from any leading figure in any field what would you choose to hear?”
 
Pastor Bill:
[6:59] I've always wanted to and you didn't you don't mean a recording of it, you mean.
 
Pastor Newms:
[7:05] Right live here speech.
 
Pastor Bill:
[7:06] Be there live yeah I've always wanted and I feel like that card was destined to be pulled today. I've always wanted to attend the “I Have a Dream” speech for Martin Luther King jr.
 
Pastor Newms:
[7:27] Okay.
 
Pastor Bill:
[7:28] I've always wanted to attend it I've heard I'd rather recording multiple times and it always moves me with emotions, always every time it never loses any of its. Any of its power and so I've always wanted to attend that live. So that was an easy one for me.
 
Pastor Newms:
[7:54] Yeah we really was and.
 
Pastor Bill:
[8:02] Then the reason I feel like that was you know destined is because tomorrow's the man's holiday.
 
Pastor Newms:
[8:08] Yes yeah tomorrow is yeah I don't I can't think of anything that's like I want to hear this speech, I can't think of anything that's pressing in my mind there's probably some technical lectures I would really enjoy but there's a couple of you know, the tech ones that happened throughout the country and Nations each year I'd love to travel to a bunch of those and just hear experts that actually have passions for their games actually talked about developing them and stuff live as opposed to just recorded but.
 
Pastor Bill:
[9:04] So nothing like the Gettysburg address or Sermon on the Mount or.
 
Pastor Newms:
[9:15] See I took it to mean a living person but it didn't specify that. Yeah, it didn't specify living or dead but.
 
Pastor Bill:
[9:28] I can't think of one single person alive today that I would want to go listen to just talk.
 
Pastor Newms:
[9:35] I can think of a couple of leaders in business and stuff that I would actually attend a lecture on but my thing is I get the same enjoyment normally. For the speech aspect in just watching it I'm not a person who needs to be in person I prefer everything to be.
 
Pastor Bill:
[9:58] I thought of one Craig Groeschel retelling the story of the first time he gave a sermon. In that, United Methodist I think it was and they were wearing the robes and all that all those details that's a great story if I could arrange to have him read tell me that story face to face, I would want to do that, they go a living person.
 
Pastor Newms:
[10:29] So Gran sent me a private message in Star Trek and he has a he has a good one, which is Neil DeGrasse Tyson on interstellar theory in the scope of the universe, and I could see that one that's one of those technical ones that I really think I would enjoy, because it's always interesting to hear those people especially ones like Neil deGrasse Tyson who is so passionate and so well-articulated, in because some scientist sadly are not.
 
Pastor Bill:
[11:06] I'm not a fan of Neil DeGrasse Tyson but only because you know how some people inexplicably urk me, something about their mannerisms something about attitude I don't know I did he just doesn't eat kind of don't know something about him just is off-putting so I'm not a fan.
 
Pastor Newms:
[11:29] You're like that with a lot of people.
 
Pastor Bill:
[11:31] Am I okay.
 
Pastor Newms:
[11:32] Yeah but that's okay I mean you have your opinions but there's a lot of like YouTubers.
 
Pastor Bill:
[11:41] Oh yeah, I mean I'll just say it, RevDuece. I can't watch any of RevDueces videos. A guy that makes content for Star Trek Fleet Command, I just can't watch them I get I get like 30 seconds then I'm like I'm done I'm done I can't even I can't make it any further.
 
Pastor Newms:
[11:56] And a lot of my SCP videos and stuff you're like I can't listen to that person I almost fell asleep I don't like that person that way that person speaks is terri… you know it's like okay no I got.
 
Pastor Bill:
[12:07] I finished watching the expanse right so that five seasons, there's just one character I kept rooting for them to kill off because she intentionally speaks in this low gravelly voice and every time she talks all I can mentally process is, why that voice why is this character still alive why can't I get over her voice.
 
Pastor Newms:
[12:36] Yeah it's there's just some people I have a couple people I work with that are like that but we won't name their names of course.
 
Pastor Bill:
[12:46] In the church and their church because because that's… would be me and your wife or the only people you work with in the church.
 
Pastor Newms:
[12:52] Not in the church no.
 
Pastor Bill:
[12:53] You're like I don't like your voice I don't like my wifes voice, I don't want to be here.
 
Pastor Newms:
[13:00] There are some days your voice grades me but it's usually because we've just gotten in an argument not because of anything valid we've gotten in one of our spats about.
 
Pastor Bill:
[13:09] And we argue man we spat about the stupidest thing sometimes.
 
Pastor Newms:
[13:14] It's the stupidest that it's semantics it's English-language ninety percent of the time because we both have a different position and we're trying to understand the other person's position but we can't because there's some word one of us is hung up on, and then we get to the end and you're like wait did we just argue for two hours on a word.
 
Pastor Bill:
[13:34] Yeah did we just uphold the exact same point of view and argue about it for two hours because we were stating it in different ways so you don't disagree that.
 
Pastor Newms:
[13:45] Gran says hooray for Network management protocols.
 
Pastor Bill:
[13:54] I don't know I thought if I did that that head shift thing that dogs do I'm I understand what he's saying what does that mean.
 
Pastor Newms:
[14:01] I'm not a hundred percent sure but I'm assuming it has something to do with. Network management protocols so I'm assuming it's Gran thought I said SN SNMP.
 
Pastor Bill:
[14:22] OS and MP.
 
Pastor Newms:
[14:25] Which is Network protocols.
 
Pastor Bill:
[14:26] You said.
 
Pastor Newms:
[14:28] SCP is the is the is a is a fandom online of, stories about what if all kinds of crazy things actually existed and there's a, non-governmental agency called the SCP Foundation which is secure contain protect. And so they there's all these short stories and all these that are some of them are phenomenal and some of them are garbage because they're written by their written on a Wiki and so it's open for people to write, um and one of the rules is it in it is because the SCP deals with reality Benders all the time there is no Cannon, so the writers themselves take what Canon they believe is true and right off that and then you when you're listening you're like and so there's these people that do these YouTube videos where they read the stories, and then add extra details from other stories that involve those essays and it's, I fell in a hole for about two years where I was listening to like three hours of it a day. It was a little crazy I have to say but.
 
Pastor Bill:
[15:52] And then he was like.
 
Pastor Newms:
[15:53] I know a lot about it.
 
Pastor Bill:
[15:54] He was like you should listen to some of these with me sometime and I was like okay I dragged you into Star Trek world and made you watch some Star Trek made you play store we're going to try this SCP thing it's not for me.
 
Pastor Newms:
[16:09] It's not for him.
 
Pastor Bill:
[16:10] I'm glad that Newms enjoys it and that there's something out there that can captivate him that way but it's definitely not for me.
 
Pastor Newms:
[16:27] Because I always forget my sister exists, and so it's an SCP of this person who everyone thinks is their little sister but when they're not like actively paying attention she disappears. But yet everyone else around them knows that and they're like wait didn't you forget your sister and that's constantly a question that whoever she's currently attached to has to ask and so it's kind of humorous.
 
Pastor Bill:
[17:00] It's a kind of object permanence/silence thing.
 
Pastor Newms:
[17:07] There's a couple of there's a couple of SCPs that have that mind-altering, reality let go like I called them reality Benders pretty constant but, I think it's funny just because we were talking about it one time and everyone's like why do you always forget your sister and I'm like I don't know I love her she lives here,
like.
 
Pastor Bill:
[17:29] She's not real she's an SCP.
 
Pastor Newms:
[17:31] I don't I'll put four plates out and then like keep making dinner and people are like, “Don’t you need 5 plates?” “Why?”
 
Pastor Bill:
[17:41] So your sister getting too.
 
Pastor Newms:
[17:43] Because Phoenix might come down and eat I don't know.
 
Pastor Bill:
[17:48] She don't get a plate we're just gonna put her slop straight on the table.
 
Pastor Newms:
[17:51] Yeah she can eat off the table and then I make food for the dog but then like don't put food out for her like you know just.
 
Pastor Bill:
[18:00] Food out for your sister.
 
Pastor Newms:
[18:03] Well I I mean like make her a plate or put her plate out or that sounded terrible.
 
Pastor Bill:
[18:08] It sounded horrible.
 
Pastor Newms:
[18:09] That's okay this morning Kaiju is learned a new thing Kaiju has learned to alert me when she is not happy, I'm with her breakfast and that she would like a breakfast additive such as you know an egg or some potatoes or you know something that that Daddy me being me would have to cook she now, goes to her food bowl she looks at her food bowl she looks at her, dry container that's next to it she puts her face on the dry container she looks at the food. Takes a bite stares me in the eye while she chews her one bite and just looks at me. While she's eating and I'm like and then she'll get up and go sit in the kitchen. Just sit on there's a rug for like washing plates right and that's where she sits when I'm cooking because it's behind the stove but it's close in case something falls off but you know, and so for breakfast when I didn't cook I had cereal the girls had cereal Kaiju had an egg so she has me properly trained, she's so cute though her little puppy dog eyes.
 
Pastor Bill:
[19:41] All right we got a commenter on YouTube but I don't understand the comment that's okay.
 
Pastor Newms:
[19:48] Born To Go not sure.
 
Pastor Bill:
[19:49] Yeah voor in go I don't know what that means either perhaps it's another language their name is clearly not English, kind of looks like they just went on the keyboard when they put in their name. That's kind of cool I would like a name that it looks like I just switched on the keyboard that'd be awesome I'd be like what's your name, all right so this week we're the title was at the well so, if you're wanting to follow along in the Bible we're going to pull up this one story and then we're going to do some history stuff and we're going to talk about how things relate to us and on and on our right, so if you want to go to John chapter 4. John chapter 4 and then I'm going to start reading in verse and let's just start in verse 1 because it's good to have. Context of what's going on at the time and we're going to read all the way through verse 26. We might talk about verses 27 through 38 here in a little bit if we get to it, all right when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard he was making and baptizing more disciples than John although Jesus himself was not baptizing but his disciples were, he left Judea and went again to Galilee, he had to travel through Samaria so he came to a town of Samaria called Sychar near the property that Jacob had given to his son Joseph Jacob's Well was there, and Jesus worn out from his journey sat down at the well it was about noon. A woman of Samaria came to draw water give me a drink Jesus said to her because his disciples had gone into town to buy food. How is it that you a Jew ask for a drink for me of Samaritan woman she asked him, for Jews do not associate with Samaritans Jesus answered if you knew the gift of God and who is saying to you give me a drink, you would ask him and he would give you living water, sir said the woman you don't even have a bucket and the well is deep so where do you get this living water, you aren't greater than our father Jacob are you he gave us the well and drank from it himself as did his sons and livestock, Jesus said everyone who drinks from this water will get thirsty again but whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty again, in fact the water I give him will become a well sorry will become a well of water springing up in him for eternal life. Sir the woman said to him sir give me this water so that I won't get thirsty and come here to draw water go call your husband he told her and come back here, I don't have a husband she answered you have correctly said I don't have a husband Jesus said, for you have had five husbands and the man you now have is not your husband what you have said is true, sir the woman replied I see that you are a prophet I feel like that's like the blondest answer, anyway. No friends to bonds but you get the concept our fathers worshiped on this mountain but you Jews say the place to worship is in Jerusalem, Jesus told her believe me woman an hour is coming when you will worship the father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem, you Samaritans worship what you do not know we worship what we do know because salvation is from the Jews, but an hour is coming and is now here when the true worshipers will worship the father in spirit and in truth, yes the father wants such people to worship him God is spirit and those who worship Him must Worship in spirit and in truth, the woman said to him I know that the Messiah is coming he was called Christ when he comes he will explain everything to us Jesus told her I the one speaking to you am he. So we've got this dynamic between the superior and Samaritans and the Jews and you've got this issue where Jesus, has to travel through Samaria for some reason to get from Judea to Galilee and I say has two because there are two paths from Judea outside of Jerusalem. So if you if you look at it here I'll put a map here for you if you follow this this part of my hand right here this is the Jordan River the river where Jesus was baptized and over here you've got Judea and all the Hill Country of Judea with Jerusalem, if you go up then you've got some Merit Samaria is here and then where he's going in Galilee is up here well shoe passes there, you can go through Samaria which is the quick path because there's a mountain range here and then the river it's you know you're basically by passing the mountains or, you can go over the mountains to the other side of the Jordan River and up and then back again which is a much longer trip, it is much more difficult trip so, had to go through Samaria well most Jews don't ya Biggs on Twitch says nice map, most Jews wouldn't go through Samaria they refused and they would take the long path and at one point in the Book of Luke Luke chapter 9, Jesus is actually traveling through Samaria and tries to enter a Samaritan town and they wouldn't let him because his face looked too Jewish, um or rather specifically it says when they saw in his face that he was determined or likely. Suppose the.
 
Pastor Newms:
[26:28] Nope.
 
Pastor Bill:
[26:31] And they did not receive him because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem so they're saying you can't come in our town because you look like you're a Jew, we're not going to have any of that here so the Samaritans didn't like the Jews for good reason the Jews didn't like the Samaritans, for an understandable reason I'm not going to say it's a good reason because it's in my opinion not a good reason but understandable reason, so if we want to rewind time and we go back to where so Jerusalem was was not Jerusalem the the people of Israel were two kingdoms the northern kingdom and the southern Kingdom and those two kingdoms were then United when Samuel anointed Saul as king, Saul became the king these two kingdoms were United and then Saul, loses the kingdom today that a David becomes the new king and they're still then one Kingdom Loosely one Kingdom David did more to unite the two the two kingdoms than anyone else in all of their history. And so then Samuel dies well when Samuel dies then you start to get the insurrections and the issues that David faced with his own son turn usurp him and and on and on, so then they basically split into effectively two kingdoms, they would still work together fight wars together against Outsiders but they also fought Wars against each other constantly and so that's, you know the problem is going there and then because they had, Take It On Foreign gods and married foreign wives and on and on and on the Bible says that God then handed them over to Assyria, so they go into captivity to take captivity in Assyria but there was a contingent of Jews who fled into the mountains where the Assyrians couldn't find them, and these people established on and around Mount I had it pulled up. It's the mountain that the woman in the story we just read was talking about it is Mount. And of course I scrolled away from the name of the mountain Garrison or jerez mmm.
 
Pastor Newms:
[29:08] My chair is acting up sorry.
 
Pastor Bill:
[29:11] On or around that mountain now this mountain is where the Samaritans believed, that Moses actually met with God that's the mountain where they believe that Moses met with God. The Jews believe that Moses met with God on a different Mountain the Samaritans also believe it was on this mountain that God not only gave Moses the Ten Commandments but the Samaritans believed that God, wrote the first five books of the Bible himself and presented them to Moses, when he gave him the Ten Commandments a big just saying Mount Sinai that's where the Jewish belief that God met with, Moses and did all this the Samaritans believe it's a different Mountain they also believe that this mountain is the mountain where Abraham was instructed to sacrifice Isaac, and then was stopped by the angel and this these are reasons why the Samaritans believed, that mountain is where God should be worshipped because of these events that their historical records tell them happened there. And so this offshoot of people who weren't taken into a Syria they are living up in the mountains they're worshipping, the same God but they're also worshiping Asherah they're continuing to have a Shore polls they're continuing to have the gods of other, kingdoms and other religions and they've got this whole list of gods that they're. And so then when the Jewish people are not technically freed but, king of Assyria plants groups of Jews into the territory where the Samaritans are now living, they, and these weren't just use they were Jews they were Assyrians that Jews had married they were The Offspring of people that Jews and Assyrians they were the friends and family you know extended family of so you've got, not just Assyrians but other people the Assyrians had taken you know had conquered and taken in as well as whole Melting Pot of, and this whole Melting Pot of people thing is why when the Jews do then re-establish, the southern kingdom in Jerusalem they consider Samaritans to be mongrels or mixed breeds because, they're not pure Jews anymore, in any of the Jews who had married Assyrians and so on and so on while they were in Assyria were considered mongrels and mixed breeds as well and were you know sent off. So they've got the southern Kingdom now and then the Samaritans are making up the Northern Kingdom at this point right so we fast forward to, um becomes time in the book of I want to say Ezra. In the book of Ezra it comes time where they're going to rebuild Jerusalem they're going to rebuild the Temple. And by this time, the Samaritans that had stayed had given up Asherah they've given up all the foreign Gods the only God that they're worshiping now is still. The god of the Israelites however they have their own name for him own nickname remember last time we talked about nicknames so the Sumerian nickname for God was Shehmaa, now Shehmaa is literally the word for the name, they literally nicknamed God the name. Um they were still that at this point they were exclusively worshipping the name which is the name their nickname for Yahweh, and they come and they ask well we're worshipping the same God you are we're making sacrifices to God on the mountain we would like to help build the temple and then we can all worship God together. And the team that's in charge of building the Temple says, you can't be a part of what we're doing we're doing it the king of Syria gave us leave to come do this and this is our work we're rebuilding Jerusalem and the temple you're not allowed to help us and sent them away. So this is why Samaritans don't like the juice hit that one moment in history, LEDs has led to hundreds of years of Samaritans not liking juice now today as of right now there are about 1,000, less than 1000 Samaritans left most of them hold dual citizenship Jewish and Palestinian, um and the ones that don't are full Jewish citizenship, the ones that hold dual citizen are a lot aren't required to serve in the Jewish military when they turn 18 but the ones that only have Jewish citizenship are required, and they basically all live in this one neighborhood on the outskirts of. Right there anyway so yeah there's that there's that so this is the history of that they have with each other so, we fast forward to where in Jesus time the Jews see the Samaritans as the descendants of mongrels, worse than Gentiles because they're the descendants of people who had access to God and then mixed with people who didn't, and created these Offspring and the Samaritans don't like the Jews because the Samaritans are going well we've got the word of God we worship the same God we love God we want to be together and you just told us to, go off back in the mountains and keep being mongrels right so that's where we are so Jesus. He plays on this hatred to prove a point when he tells the story of the Good Samaritan and the Pharisees actually, use the term Samaritan as an insult and describe Jesus as a Samaritan, or demon-possessed man that's actually how they describe Jesus as an insult was to call him a. So we've got some serious issues going on right but both groups want. To worship God and Jesus says well the day is coming where it won't matter. On the mountain or in the temple or by the tree or at the well or anywhere else because you will worship in spirit and in truth. See that there's this whole thing going on here in in John 4 beyond the idea of Living Water, to where you'll thirst no more, that means something different than any means now when you're thirsty it means you want some physical intimacy and you're scrolling online to try to find some substitute for it because you're thirsty. Then it means something completely different liquid was equated to spiritual life, if you were dry and parched spiritually then you were thirsty, and Jesus is using this well as is example of well I bring living water so that spiritually you won't be empty and dry and longing and thirsty anymore. But there's more going on here there's this there's this thing where Jesus is going there's this time. When you're all going to be one and it won't matter what that label is anymore of Samaritan or Jew, Gentile, Baptist, Methodist, Protestant, Evangelical, Catholic. On and on and on I can't list all of them Lutheran Methodist can't list all these labels that we tried to use to create separations in the. The only issue that makes you not a part of the church is If you deny that Jesus came and died on the cross and was raised again. That's it if you believe that three part statement came died rose again. Then we're the same group we're the same should be no barriers between us. And that's what I wanted to highlight from the story of at the well it's because. When we put our faith in Christ. We all receive that well spring of Living Water in our hearts and it's all the same Wellspring and it's all Fred fed from the same Waters we all have that same wall spring in our hearts. Anything you want to add to that Pastor Newms.
 
Pastor Newms:
[39:41] No I will agree I think that that's a very important part of the story that often gets gleaned over, just because you know there's the hole, Jesus went out of his way to show the Samaritans that they were part of this to this you know there's this part of the story that part of the story you know oh look Jesus knows everything just by looking at someone you know there's all these different parts of the story that a lot of people spend a lot of time highlighting and skipping over the part where Jesus is basically like can y'all stop squabbling like children like this isn't what matters, very soon none of this will matter as far as who and where because everyone can worship anywhere and I think that's also a very important part of that because, so often we you know you have a mindset that some people have that worship is only in a church building, not everyone I'm not trying to say you know not a specific denomination not a specific type of person but there are people who believe that and.
 
Pastor Bill:
[40:53] Like cursing I don't curse in a church building.
 
Pastor Newms:
[40:57] Sometimes yeah don't wear a cowboy hat.
 
Pastor Bill:
[41:00] Does it make that it's that four walls instead of this four walls.
 
Pastor Newms:
[41:04] What's you shouldn't live different. But another aspect of that is that those types of people that are like oh well I'm at church so I'm going to worship and then, the rest of the week rolls around and there is no Worship in their hearts, there is no prayer and Thanksgiving there is no it's just, I work I do my stuff I am who I am I'm you know they ignore God all week because they can only pay attention to God in the house and it's like, that's not the holy spirit in us as that Wellspring doesn't everywhere we go every time we talk every time we eat Saul, that you know it's all influenced by it it's you know I find it interesting often you know there's a difference between like a Christian Author and an author who is Christian and a Christian artist and an artist who is Christian and and oftentimes you know even if you're writing in the secular, if you are a Christian who is actively accessing the Holy Spirit, You Can't Hide certain aspects you know there are certain stories that have been told.
 
Pastor Bill:
[42:37] That's why when you listen to Switchfoot songs you hear even though they are technically a cycler band you hear a come through you listen to Lifehouse, you hear their faith come through.
 
Pastor Newms:
[42:52] And even bands where you look at bands like Korn where, several of their members became Christian but they can sit they continue the same style of music in the same way but the music takes a drastic shift and everyone's like oh it's because they got sober, oh it's because of this oh it's because of that it's like well yes all of those. And like and so it's interesting too.
 
Pastor Bill:
[43:24] And you're going to tell me them altar calls at the end of the Korn concert that's because of.
 
Pastor Newms:
[43:29] Yeah it is it's just because they got sober.
 
Pastor Bill:
[43:31] Sober as well that's because I got so okay okay.
 
Pastor Newms:
[43:33] Yeah that's the only reason.
 
Pastor Bill:
[43:35] I got you I got you.
 
Pastor Newms:
[43:38] Yeah but it's always interesting to see you know there are people who you cannot and then we have the opposite we have people who claim to be Christians and you know they win an award and thank God and yet you look at him and you're like.
 
Pastor Bill:
[43:52] Mmm.
 
Pastor Newms:
[43:55] There's no fruit there's no fruit that's a dead tree if that is a tree.
 
Pastor Bill:
[44:00] There is no light shining forth here this is not.
 
Pastor Newms:
[44:03] There. You know but in that you know. It sometimes feels like application but you see some of those people down the road. Make their realizations you know so it's always interesting to watch some of those kinds of things but what's important is not where we are or whom we are, or in what way we do it it's the problem is that spirit and Truth, that's that big important part of worship in and of following is the spirit and Truth not necessarily all the extra stuff that we often as we mentioned in the beginning there are times, that we will argue there are times that we disagree on Little Things, because we believe and the reason why we typically get to that point is trying to defend the truth that we believe in and that's something as, Berean lifestyle like we talked about so often of searching for the truth in the Bible in historical documents in you know, not taking something someone says even if I say it bill says it you know your mama across the street says it 14 people, told you one time that your cousin said it you know it doesn't matter who said it we should always be searching for, the actual truth in that.
 
Pastor Bill:
[45:42] That's the main thing is prove it.
 
Pastor Newms:
[45:43] You like to the 14 people telling me that your cousin said.
 
Pastor Bill:
[45:48] Yeah like that that was.
 
Pastor Newms:
[45:49] Did you like that okay just because it comes across your Facebook feed your Tik-Tok your Instagram, your YouTube does not mean it's truth I don't actually like for me for example I don't actually believe the SCP Foundation is real because they wouldn't call it that and then make a series but there are people who are like see they wrote about it and since they wrote about it that's because it's true.
 
Pastor Bill:
[46:17] Plausible.
 
Pastor Newms:
[46:17] Plausible deniability that's why they wrote it they wouldn't have wrote it if it isn't true and you're looking at the person going.
 
Pastor Bill:
[46:23] They actually did run plausible deniability programs in the 80s and 90s with TV shows and.
 
Pastor Newms:
[46:32] Do they still do.
 
Pastor Bill:
[46:33] Well I mean not as much as they used to but it's set off such a firestorm in conspiracy theory circles that they were like we made it worse we made it so much worse we might help me move in it so much worse.
 
Pastor Newms:
[46:45] Yeah I mean there are things that are you know crazy that are out there but, you know we deal with it we move on but I'm just saying we have to search for the truth now I'm not trying to say don't believe anything you read, because things that are published and peer-reviewed multiple times by whole separate groups can be trusted to certain degrees, again just because someone else on Facebook says something isn't true doesn't mean it is but, that's my soapbox.
 
Pastor Bill:
[47:24] So with the like the Doom and Gloom over the last few years, we're all gonna die we're all gonna get sick and suffer and die and and it's going to be horrible and, okay okay I'm not going to dispute the facts of what you're saying, there are diseases people are going to get infected it's going to happen but what I am going to say is, you're telling me that's important and I'm telling you that the hope and promise that I see here. Is what's important so that's my truth in that Doom and Gloom moment is you're telling me The Skys Falling Down. And this book tells me that Skies only my temporary roof for now I got bigger things to worry about.
 
Pastor Newms:
[48:22] And that that does say the sky will fall at a certain point but that doesn't mean we.
 
Pastor Bill:
[48:27] More like the sky will rip open like a scroll like a scroll has been pulled too tightly.
 
Pastor Newms:
[48:43] The whole point of it talking about things like that is to show us that's not the true end that is the end of this realm and so yeah it's going to happen but.
 
Pastor Bill:
[48:56] Bad things are always going to happen.
 
Pastor Newms:
[48:58] Yeah yeah. Love.
 
Pastor Bill:
[48:59] But I have hope I have faith there's things that are more important to me yeah faith hope The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern… You did it you did it.
 
Pastor Newms:
[49:17] I know I apologize to all the viewers.
 
Pastor Bill:
[49:20] You brought it right out of me.
 
Pastor Newms:
[49:22] And I did I did I'm sorry.
 
Pastor Bill:
[49:25] So did you learn anything about the Samaritans tonight Pastor Newms
 
Pastor Newms:
No.
 
Pastor Bill:
No, you knew about Mount Gersh Gershom?
 
Pastor Newms:
[49:34] The only thing I didn't know I guess I did learn one thing I did not know they all currently live in one neighborhood I knew there was one, area but I thought it was more than a thousand people left so that that that I didn't know, but yes.
 
Pastor Bill:
[49:59] Alright so here's another thing that I can tell you about Samaritans so there was a time when Ithamar was a priest who was a descendant of Aaron in the Levitical line and there was another place priest named Eli. And Eli didn't think he was getting enough kickback, from the offerings and tied the people were bringing to the temple so he left and went into the mountains and built a temple for the Samaritans where they could worship God, and that went great for Eli for a while until the Samaritans got wise to why and what he was doing, and then they ran him out of town and then nobody knows what happened to him after that. But they got it simple out of it on the mountain that Temple that she was talking about worshiping God in that's the temple Built by the evil priest Eli and then used by God to draw those people back towards himself. Because that's what God does constantly throughout history we see it.
 
Pastor Newms:
[51:27] Everything that's meant yep.
 
Pastor Bill:
[51:30] And you can call God by any name you want to call him, but when it's the same profile and the same mercy and the same and the same and the same and you can see it and you go well that's clearly the same God of with different names reaching out to different people, the reason that Jesus came as a Jew. Was one fold that is one reason and that was because when God found no one faithful on the Earth.
Abraham heard a whisper in the wilderness and had faith that it was real. And it turned out to be the voice of God. That's it that's the only reason because one man was trying to have faith when everyone else in the world had given up on faith. The story of that the well. I believe the most important part there is as Believers we are the church one body, an antibody has different parts we have a mouth and eyes and ears and hands and feet and we serve different purposes and we reach different people in different ways We Are One. Why are you smirking over there.
 
Pastor Newms:
[53:24] Sorry I'm a bad person and the only thing I could think of was the fact, two groups of people that we have recently been talking about a lot are two arms of the same body and it just it made me chuckle and I was trying to keep it to myself but I obviously my face couldn't, sorry.
 
Pastor Bill:
[53:47] Has a Star Trek reference by the way to our do the Star Trek game that we play.
 
Pastor Newms:
[53:49] Is the Star Trek Fleet command reference is yes anyway sorry.
 
Pastor Bill:
[53:55] All right well we're now we're in and that's usual work you know at the 59th minute not quite an hour yet but I don't think anyone online has any questions always typed in any questions so, who's hitting themselves what big.
 
Pastor Newms:
[54:13] Yeah why are we hitting ourselves.
 
Pastor Bill:
[54:14] What are you talking about.
 
Pastor Newms:
[54:16] I'm confused Biggs are you talking about I'm not hitting myself.
 
Pastor Bill:
[54:23] All right well that's all we have for tonight I love you guys and I hope you have a great week.
 
Pastor Newms:
I love you guys and be safe out there.
 
Pastor Bill:
And until next time…

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